Eurospec 8v head rollcall... post if you have one thx...

[Peter Tong]

Hi Folks,

Have/running a Eurospec head? Post up please!

best regards,
Peter T.

Current List of Eurospec Head owners:

Atoson
85spraybomb
voxwagen88
bahnblitz
avwg60
Andrew Stauffer
Peter Tong
MkIIRoc
Stock77
vwpieces
kenney83
Rage In The Machines
vwsnaps
gamblinfool
Prof315
chrisbmx68
victoreyestkt
Tinter

unconfirmed:
81dragrabbit1

honorary member with standard non custom cast rebuilt Eurospec head
dennis2society

Modified by Peter Tong at 12:02 AM 7-16-2009

Modified by Peter Tong at 12:29 AM 2-15-2010


Modified by Peter Tong at 6:07 PM 3-3-2010

[The Quinner]

Paging Mr. Stauffer...

[Andrew Stauffer]

Why thank you Mr Witting. Merry Christmas btw.

Peter, you know all about my set up. Definitely count me as a fan of these things. You don't see or hear of too many out there, however. Perhaps the high cost in the mostly low budget 8v world.......


Modified by Andrew Stauffer at 6:19 AM 12-21-2006

[speedtek40]

What's the scoop on them anyways?

[Peter Tong]

here is the scoop (pic photo credit goes to avwg60)...

bottom is the stock 8v hydro counterflow head... top is the Eurospec head...


Modified by Peter Tong at 1:16 PM 12-21-2006

[speedtek40]

Quote, originally posted by Peter Tong »

here is the scoop (pic photo credit goes to avwg60)... bottom is the stock 8v hydro counterflow head... top is the Eurospec head...

where's the drool icon?
So are these an aftermarket head or a specialty VW unit?

[2.0 Ho]

yah no kiddin whats up with those?!?!? that thing is ported like a biotch

[Peter Tong]

As far as I understand it, these were custom cast with the race ports pretty much as is at one of the foundries that does the counterflow VW heads...

[2.0 Ho]

Thats what it looks like as i cannot see any brush marks whatsoever... so where do i pick one of those up

[ABA Scirocco]

Here's their website. I don't see those particular head on the site anymore although they do say that more is available then is shown on the site.

[Peter Tong]

Another link:

http://www.eurospecsport.com/euro8vhead.htm

Not exactly affordable these days...

Still... I wonder who all has one...

[2.0 Ho]

good lord 3,250 for that sucker thats insane!!!

[Peter Tong]

The basic versions of it were around $1000 or so during the mid 90's. That one is the rather worked over Stage 3 all out 8v head. I think these days the standard head is right around $2400... as I said kind of rare I would presume but you never know !

[2.0 Ho]

yah but i dont see the massive performance of the eurospec head compared to someone doing a p&p on a head and getting bigger valves in there head for 1000... just doesnt make money sense to me... I could do all the work they did or have it done by someone for ALOT less the only difference is it wouldnt be cast

[Peter Tong]

The Eurospec heads have extra metal cast in reinforcing the area surrounding the lifter bores. This makes it possible to run larger diameter lifters, and hence much higher lift cams (did you see the specs above - .59-.60" lift).

[2.0 Ho]

but why not just bore out the ones on a stock head though too... i have seen it done before to run a larger cam that only a solid lifter head would be capable of...

[Peter Tong]

I'm sure with enough work a stock head likely could be reworked to perform as well.

As you can see it would require a heck of a lot of material removal. I do not know if there were other advantages - ie if portions of the casting were strengthened to compensate for the loss of material surrounding the ports.

At any rate - another other folks running this head?

[snowfox]

Quote, originally posted by Peter Tong »

At any rate - another other folks running this head?

I know of one guy over in my usual forum. I've clued him in to this thread, so we'll see if he reports in or just wants to keep it hush-hush...

[avwg60]

Hey Peter, as per your request.
-Phil

Eurospec full race Stage 3, solid lifters.

I have it in my MK2 GTI.

This is my mechanic just before the install



Modified by avwg60 at 4:22 AM 12-22-2006

[2.0 Ho]

That is rad... so where did you score that head? Didnt actually pay the full 3500 buckeroos did yah and how big of a difference did you notice once you got it on and running?

[Longitudinal]

I spoke to somebody a long time ago about his Eurospec head. He had it flow tested and was disappointed at how small the flow difference was between a normal 8V and the ES. This is not to say that there was not a perceptible advantage, just that the difference in flow could easily be covered by a professional port job on a normal 8V head.

There is such a thing as ports too large for a given valve size. I learned that VW diesel heads suffer from this condition (diffeent case, just an example.) I suspect that, to take advantage of the size of those Eurospec ports, you'd need overlapping intake and exhaust valves.

I don't see the advantage of running a .6" lift cam on an 8V head. As you know, flow increases rapidly from zero lift, then tapers as lift continues to increase. Most flowed 8V/10V heads I have seen are leveliong off after .450 lift or so, and flatten out around .5". Maybe a fully flowed Eurospec head with maxed out valves and a full race setup could take advantage of a .6" cam. I don't know. I have gotten to see only one ES head up close and personal, not installed. I have never used one or driven a car with one. I am just speaking from normal 8V experience with stock and ported heads.

[2.0 Ho]

Well said. I could not have explained it better but that was part of the jist I was trying to get across. None the less a cool thing to have i think. or unique one could say

[avwg60]

Quote, originally posted by 2.0 Ho »

That is rad... so where did you score that head? Didnt actually pay the full 3500 buckeroos did yah and how big of a difference did you notice once you got it on and running?

I bought it over in England and had it shipped to me in Toronto. It was about $4500cad.
The difference is enormous. The head I had before was an Oettinger G60 head. Oettinger uses a VW OEM cast and then ports and polishes and uses their own valves, stems, etc. The Oettinger head is still hydraulic and has original sized valves. This head was extremely smooth and civilized for a daily driven car but flowed really well. Very noticably better than stock. After selling the Oettinger to my friend and getting the Eurospec....... well, lets just say it has become a whole different animal altogether! I raced #6, G60Dano, on "The Official G60 Forum top whp list"(currently he's #10). We started from highway speeds and I came up so hard behind him that I had to swerve onto the side shoulder to avoid ramming into his rear bumper. This was in my Corrado which is extremely heavy.

[Peter Tong]

Hi Jonathan,

I really think that there was a wide variation in these heads with the less expensive entry level early vintage versions flowing less out of the box, not due to the port shape in the head itself but due to the early ones just having less work done to them out of the box. I had just the basics (valve unshroud, valve stem undercut, and backcut) done on mine and saw 22% flow gains in the midrange.

I do think that avwG60 is barely tickling his right now though.

[avwg60]

I have a brand new G-lader from the dealership with a 68mm pulley and i get 8psi at 7000rpm redline. On the Oettinger head I got 14psi @ 7000.
That's flow!

[Peter Tong]

That is some flow! I was up around 12 psi in the midrange (around 4.5-5k) with my 54mm Lysholm pulley and stock intake manifold. I have no idea what it will be with the new setup.

These heads work ridiculously well with boost IMHO...

[fast84gti]

Yeah, whatever. Showoffs!

[bahnblitz]

Add me to the list. . . Ill have some pics up shortly

[Peter Tong]

Added... thanks for letting us know... looking forward to pics.

[bahnblitz]

2.0 ABA bottom end on weber 45's with electromtoive HP1 crank fired ignition

[Gigante]

Quote, originally posted by avwg60 »

Wow...which valve sizes?!

[bahnblitz]

Dirty but fast as hell!\\

Modified by bahnblitz at 4:48 PM 1-4-2007

[avwg60]

42.5 intake
36 exhaust

[voxwagen88]

Quote, originally posted by avwg60 »

42.5 intake 36 exhaust

And they say size doesn't matter.

Added 12 HP and 12 FT/Lbs over the factory head with just a G-grind Cam. (~ 14% increase.)
Now I'm looking for another to find out what the oversized valves would do.


Modified by voxwagen88 at 11:16 AM 1-20-2007

[MkIIRoc]

Back from the dead...

Just got mine today...

I sleep with a gun under my pillow after seeing this cam...TT276 on the right for comparison