THE OFFICIAL X-FLOW SWAP POST!!!!!!

[Jason4]

Like I said. After getting it all together and looking at it I don't think I needed to clearance the hood but if the engine twists much the tb will definatley hit the hood if it doesn't already rub against it. I think I'm going to get a new hood when I repaint my car and just massage it with a hammer instead of cutting it if I need more clearance. Also I've heard you can flip the tb over to get more room but I couldn't figure out how to do it. Maybe someone else is smarter than me(not too hard )
Good luck,
Jason

[X-FlowA2]

I bumped it because it seems like some people might be needing it, enjoy!

[smokin]

bump because i did! so to ditch my ac do i need a non ac bracket as well as alt belt ps belt and pulley?

[X-FlowA2]

you need the A3 Poer steering bracket, alternator bracket, and I think you might need the pump too. I run 2 belts- a PS belt and a 6 rib that runs the Water pump, alt,

[A2RicedGTI]

When I called Tom a while ago, he said he was running completely A2 accessories. I think- it was a while ago. Anyways, that is what I am planning on doing on my 1992 GTI 8v. Hopefully it will work!

[155VERT83]

very informative post.
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[PAGTI91]

running all A2 accessories is the easy way out no doubt. I see very few X-flow swaps with a/c and a serp belt....IMHO v-belts totally suck. The serp belt & tensioner are an absolute pleasure to deal with as opposed to those antiquated v-belts...but they are easier and they do work...

it takes more time and effort to make a serp belt and a/c work correctly, and it is worth it IMO....but thats just my .02...

[X-FlowA2]

VERY IMPORTANT INFO: The thick red/black 2 pin harness at the fuse box. You will have no where to put it, Simply put a fuse in it 30 amp works fine.

ALSO: There is a red/blue wire at the fuse box that need to get 12v switched power. If it doesnt get this the car wont work.

I hope this post helps somebody out, feel free to email or IM me. on aol my SN is thewbiscuts. have fun!

[firebreathingbunny]

Are there many differences in swapping the X-flow into a Scirocco? I need a new power plant in my 86 project.

[PAGTI91]

http://www.psycode.com/aba

[A2RicedGTI]

Nobody has any real info as to swapping a A4 2.0L into a earlier chassis. The ABA is so cheap and commonly available and easier to swap in that nobody bothers with the new 2.0L.

[PAGTI91]

the problem with the Mk4 is the wiring. Its more involved and the alarm etc is more integrated into the harness. Tach issues exist also. I saw a Mk4 VR6 swap into an A2 but thats more worth the effort - a 2.0 is just easier to do if its 98 and below....MOST people here stick to the OBD1 swaps, not even venturing into OBD2 territory from 96 - 98. And the story goes that OBD1 motors are built better so why even bother with a "cheaper" OBD2 96-98 engine. (Although my OBD2 has forged crank etc...it was an early 96, produced 10/95).

[A2RicedGTI]

I would think that it would have a decent market for people with messed up engines/ECUs/etc who are just out of warranty.

A complete swap kit from a reputable retailer (1800VWPARTS I think) goes for $1000 shipped, IIRC. And that really is everything you need, plus a couple extras like AC delete as an option.

I would say ebay it with a high reserve...how did you get the car anyways?

[smokin]

how about a cone filter size?

[PAGTI91]

anyone with a 2.75 inch "outlet" will do.

[blubayou]

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bump because i did! so to ditch my ac do i need a non ac bracket as well as alt belt ps belt and pulley?

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If you are running the entire x-flow (accessories) all you need is the non AC pulley for the PS pump, a different V-belt, and a shorter ribbed belt. I did this on my 92 Jetta x-flow (early OBDII also ) last month, but my ribbed belt length was different due to the fact that there is some sort of supercharger thingy in there weird, huh!?

[blubayou]

Ask and ye shall receive http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=176053

[2b rally golf]

i have my 2.0 motor out of a 96 jetta. i was (and still am) planning on retaining my digifant injection. as far as i have been told it will work i will just use my wiring harness with the 2.0 fuel rail. will everything else will plug up. has anyone on here even done this? i have been told that it will work but i want to know detailed facts if possible. also to all those who went no ps did you get the whole manual steering rack? from what i also understand the ps pump from the a3 will not work. but will my a2 pump fit on there? basically i want to hear from anyone who has kept there digifant and ps on the full 2.0 motor.

BTW: my car is a 90 GTI. if that helps with anything


[Modified by 2b rally golf, 3:55 AM 10-11-2002]

[ALpHaMoNk_VW]

anyone have detailed instructions, pics even (i am dumb like that and can use the visuals) as to how to wire up the tach? I have had this setup for a while now, and now that i am turboed and would like to someday take my car to the track, I think a working tach would be somewhat useful.

[smokin]

bump- Im dumb like that too

[X-FlowA2]

OOO OOOOO me me me!!!! Ill tell yo tomorrow, Ill look under there. what you need to do its flip the cap open, right above the plug on the coil. there will be 2 pieces comming out of the coil. one is negative ( the one you need)you have to put a slide on connector on it and splice into the wire harness of the Guage cluster, Ill let you know what color tomorrow I think its green though.

[A2RicedGTI]

I cant wait until I get my swap done.

-Postwhore

[twwitdavw]

A friend and I are putting a Xflow into an '85 gti. I had a source tell me that the Xflow wiring harness will not plug into the '85 fuse box. Does this sound correct?? Is the a difference in fuse boxes between '85 and '92?? Would I change the entire fuse box?? Any help would be great, we are starting the swap tonight.........

[vultron]

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I had a source tell me that the Xflow wiring harness will not plug into the '85 fuse box. Does this sound correct??

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yes

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Is the a difference in fuse boxes between '85 and '92??

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yes again. 90-92 are a direct plugin for x-flows and vr6s obd1 anyway. i do beleive obd2 requires more work and modification.

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Would I change the entire fuse box??

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i *think* so but not sure on this one.

someone correct me if im wrong.

[A2RicedGTI]

This one seems to have floated off of the Hybrid/Swap forum, and Ive noticed some crossflow questions, so bump it back up.



Modified by A2RicedGTI at 1:30 AM 6-10-2003

[2b rally golf]

i am not sure if this has been answered yet but i'm going to ask anyways. i am starting my swap tommorow into my 90 gti. i need to know if i have to use my ps pump. i dont have the cash to get a manual rack so i am just going to stick with power steering. oh yea. i am running my alternator on a cutsom bracket and vbelts. it looks like the ps pump from the 96 will not work and i just want to make sure.

BTW: i decided to be stupid and stick with digifant. next year comes sds though.....

[KONIDAWG]

i put obdII in my 87 gti, but used g60 fuel management. put a manual rack in dumped the a/c put a vr6 water pump pulley on, and bolted on a rabbit gti tranny.
and welded on a 3" exhaust. getting ready for the turbo!

[X-FlowA2]

Sorry to tell ya but you will have to use the pump, well you might not need the pump but you HAVE to have the bracket, thats for sure, If you dont have the stuff now just run it without the belt and do the manual thing for a while, thats what I did anyway. Hey 2BRally, Did I see you on Jefferson ave today?????(oct. 24) I saw a white A2 with black wheels lowered at an intersection. I gave the peace sign, didnt know who it was. If your starting your swap Ill come over and check you out. Im off on the 25th so drop me an email or something!

[KONIDAWG]

well that show you how much you don't know. i don't need the bracket. thats what the vr6 pulleys for. i run one serpentine belt.

[Mike0105]

great posts, I asked for it to be stickied up top
Mike

[SimonH]

Wanting some more input on a '97 short block with a Digi head on my '92 Jetta. I don't want the full crossflow. I have heard one good report. Can anyone add more?

Thanks.

[X-FlowA2]

Hey Koni, what did you do? I run1 serp belt too, but its a wierd size. What pullies did you use and what size belt did you use?

Ive heard only good things about the Hybrid digi/crossflow swap. Great tourque as well as an increase in HP I think Ive seen numbers in the area of 135 or so for HP and the tourque was supposed to be off tha damn chain! and if you use the Rabbit head with the big valves its supposed to be even better. Do it and lemme know what happens!

P.S. Thanks for the props on the post-

[X-FlowA2]

Hey lets try to post some more pics of finished products, Im very interested in going turbo now so Im lookin for a few helpful pointers! and piping configurations

[2b rally golf]

yea man that was me. i was on my way to bap geon to get my distrubitor bushing. my motor is in but i am waiting on the upper radiator hose to come in. sorry i didnt see your post earlier or i would have dropped you a line. i'll be posting the pics as soon as she's running. i have been working on it for about 20 hours straight

[Modified by 2b rally golf, 4:18 AM 10-27-2002]

[Modified by 2b rally golf, 4:18 AM 10-27-2002]


[Modified by 2b rally golf, 4:19 AM 10-27-2002]

[rod16v]

Hey Matt when you get that turbo, maybe you'll be ready for the RED ROCCO. HA HA. Have you gotten the new seats yet.

Rodney

HA HA