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    Thread: THE OFFICIAL X-FLOW SWAP POST!!!!!!

    1. 11-20-2002 10:49 AM #126
      Long story...
      - Bought the car in January 01.
      - Charger went in February 01.
      - Was about to order a turbo kit, got comp test and leak down. Two cylinders were making less than 1/2 of the comp they should have.
      - $2000+ for a rebuild, still no boost 85HP woo.
      - $3500+ for a vr swap
      - $1200 installed for an xflow.
      You do the math...
      At any rate, I just bought another Corrado to replace this one. I don't have the time or money to make it fast. So hopefully whoever buys it will continue with my plans.
      You're probably going to start to see alot more Corrado's showing up with atleast xflow heads on them as the original 1.8's start to get tired. I know of at least three others and one that has the complete engine like mine.

    2. 11-20-2002 07:57 PM #127
      excellent looking swapa nd great looking car! Could you take a detailed picture of that inverted TB and explain how you ran the throddle cable? A lot of people say that they have inverted theirs but never give any hints or tips that might make it easier. Also did you just put a K&N air filter at the end of your intake? If so, whats the part number? Ive asked many times and nobody seams to know. Thanks...

    3. 11-21-2002 01:04 AM #128
      Hey VW Mofo, I have the same exact plate! good choice. About the TB, I dint flip a thing I just put it in. The only thing that hit was the little bladder that controls the throttle after let off. I didnt know till way later when I saw a very small indention in the reinforcment for the hood. So what! Now if your runnin OBD2 that might be an issue, I have yet to see one done in person.

    4. 11-21-2002 08:09 AM #129
      My car is a full ABA swap. Motronic OBD2, etc...
      Here's a pic of the TB. Hope it helps.

      My hood wouldn't close with it right side up. G60 hoods sit VERY low. The car has a VR6 hood on it now, but I'm too lazy to turn the TB back right side up.
      Oh and the filter is a p-flow knockoff from Denon I think. I didn't do the swap, but knowing what I know now, I absolutely would try it!


      [Modified by vw mofo, 8:10 AM 11-21-2002]

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      11-21-2002 09:44 AM #130
      i don't have any pics of this yet but i took the t/cable and cut some of the cover off of it at the fire wall to give me more exposed cable and then ran it between the intake and the valve cover and it is very clean and works great.just another option
      "IF you know more than I do then WHY did you ask me in the first place!"

    6. 11-22-2002 01:39 AM #131
      Thanks for taking the pic vw mofo. Ive even had people tell me to use the passat X-flow head because the cable runs on top of the intake manifold but that looks like easy modifications and is a lot cheaper. Im also going to look at dubwisers suggestion at running the cable between the head and the valve cover. This is the last mod I have to do before the wireing

    7. 11-26-2002 10:15 AM #132
      here's mine again, just cause my other post got messed up by moving pics:
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      [IMG]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0TADeAsAXdqWn8xR3XlUWclmW26oFRdsfmJD7NUuq!x*Hjde*6 dxpU!JEogdlq3DdkhRIpp*gsmHXWwYhWa0yUmPHJ3nAI7A94kV 3YO*m!X1QHjq2s!a6Hw/engine1.jpg?dc=4675369804460797521[/IMG]
      It is in here:

      These pics are old, so some things are different now.
      -I have eliminated the AC altogether (had just the compressor before, to run the belt on it).
      -There is now a 19 row mocal oil cooler where the AC condensor used to be.
      -The battery is now a red top, relocated behind the passenger seat.
      -The intake piping only goes to the original battery location (less heatsoak with a shorter pipe), where I now have a stock A3 airbox with a drop in, rather than the open filter.
      It is now taking a long winter nap, so hopefully more will be on the way

    8. 11-28-2002 05:54 PM #133
      looks like a lot of fun. Any numbers, like HP, Tq, 0-60, and 1/4 mile?

    9. 12-02-2002 09:14 AM #134
      Nah, I don't drag, and haven't had a chance to dyno yet. I did run it at Lime Rock a few weeks ago and faired pretty well. I wasn't supposed to time cause it was a driver's school, but I had my camera mounted in the car, so I got some rough estimates of time by the ticker on the camera [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

    10. 12-02-2002 09:15 AM #135
      I'll get to the dyno this spring, I hope

    11. 12-04-2002 06:12 PM #136
      what is the x-flow. can someone please tell me

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      12-07-2002 02:09 AM #137
      X-flow is the name given to the engines where the intake air comes in on one side of the head and leaves on the other. The term x-flow or crossflow is most commonly used when referring to new model 2.0 code ABA engines but back in the 70s VW ran x-flow heads on their small displacement motors. However the intake/exhaust went in and came out opposite of todays X-flow heads/motors.
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      12-08-2002 04:22 PM #138
      anyone have any info to do this swap in mk1? im pretty much done with mine.. im at college now so i havent had a chance to work on it for a few months, ive still got wiring left i have to move the fuel lines towthe other side, timing, all the radiator hoses and all that good stuff left... ive got this link http://www.psycode.com/aba which has been a GReat help, but havent been able to find anything else.
      thanks for help.. its in an 88 cabriolet. mk1 chassis

    14. 12-11-2002 09:53 PM #139
      I'm doing an OBD2 swap in my rabbit as well. I'm using all the wires off the donor car from engine compartment wires to fuse box and interior wires...
      I haven't had time to figure it out cause it's winter now and the car is in storage so I can't play with it anymore till spring.
      Left over plugs for 1997-1998 2.0L 8v
      Turn Signal Harness
      Yellow Plug: Yellow/Light Blue = ?
      Black Plug: Black/Blue, Blue, Red/Yellow, Black = ?

      Fuse Box
      Harness E Green Colour: Red/Yellow, Red/Black = ?
      Instrument Cluster
      Brown Plug: Brown/Green to Big yellow Plug = Air Bag ?
      White Plug: Brown/Red = ?
      Blue Plug: Red wire = ?
      Radio Harness
      Brown Plug: Brown wire = ?
      Brown Plug: Brown/White, Grey/Green = ?
      Black Plug: Red/White = ?
      Black Plug: Black wire = ?
      VAG Harness
      Light Grey Plug: Yellow, Grey/White = ?
      Engine Harness
      Blue Plug: Blue/White = ?
      Yellow Plug: Black/grey = ?
      Green Plug: Red, Red/White = ?
      I was told that a few of the wires needed to be spliced together but i couldn't understand why unless a module or soemthing was missing...



      [Modified by GTI_Andy, 6:56 PM 12-11-2002]

    15. 12-12-2002 04:20 PM #140
      I need help! temp guage doesnt work . car runs good w/O2 unpluged surges when it is. According to bentley, computer is locked down prolly because its not recving a signal from any temp sensors. if anyone can help me out id appreciate it. 91 gti w/ 95 OBD1 harness., thanks

    16. 12-12-2002 06:05 PM #141
      replace your temp sensor and the O2 smokin man..they are VERY important sensors...and relatively cheap...
      unplug the coolant temp sensor, see if anything changes, if not, its probably bad. I would replace it and the O2 if you can scrape together a little (under $100) cash...
      The best is to use VAG-COM. Get the CEL's and work through it...otherwise its guesswork...

    17. 12-12-2002 11:45 PM #142
      So I've recently been looking into the x-flow swap. I have a 90 8v that I want to add some power to, but I need to keep the reliablity that I have now. I'm also a soon-to-be college student so money is an issue. I think that the x-flow swap is my best bet? What do you guys think? Also have a question its probably gonna sound dumb but what cars had the obd1 engine and what had the obd 2 and what are the major differences. Also what would I expect to pay for this swap if I did it with my father? And if you got a chance check out my project so far and tell me if you think my car is worthy of a new engine. http://www.printroom.com/ViewAlbum.a...lbum_id=115947

    18. 12-13-2002 12:41 PM #143
      Im sure its in this post somewhere, but OBDI was from 1993-1995.5 (if you get a "95" engine your arent 100% for sure going to have OBDI) OBDI was from 1996-1999.
      Whats the difference? OBDII has more diagnostic systems and a more anal computer. If you do significant mods to a OBDII car (cams, possibly intake/exhaust, turbo, etc) you will have to reburn the ECU. There are extra sensors that you have to hook up (all I know of is the extra O2 sensor)
      OBDI had some oil squirters in the block which also makes it more desireable.

    19. 12-15-2002 12:42 AM #144
      Can anybody answer my questions posted above?

    20. 12-15-2002 08:30 AM #145
      His name is Robert Bentley...
      Seriously, the A3 Bentley has diagrams that will allow you to trace any wire in the harnesses. The reason most of us don't get into specific wiring talk is that unless you take notes when you do it, you gotta go back into the Bentley and start reading diagrams, which is not much fun unless your doing it for YOUR car...not somebody elses...and discussing wiring gets VEERY wordy...
      I'll look em all up and label them for $5
      Maybe we should start a thread on reading the Bentley Wiring diagrams...they are INVALUABLE when swapping...
      BTW...I would not use the A3 interior harness in a rabbit, its got too much extra junk and the dash switches etc are different....use an A2 harness...see silvervdubs post about converting a rabbit to CE2...good luck!

    21. 12-16-2002 03:41 AM #146
      Has anyone called 1800vwparts to find out a complete pricing on a kit w/motor for a rabbit?

    22. 12-16-2002 05:30 PM #147
      Anyone who did the project. How long did it take you to pull your engine out and get the new one in and running?

    23. 12-16-2002 08:51 PM #148
      I started my swap on spring break it took roughly 2 weeks to do, The electrical stuff will kick your ass, (thats why I made the post). It was a while until I could get all of the bugs worked out. Have you started yet? Im going to post some pics in a few days. Pics are so cool!

    24. 12-16-2002 11:16 PM #149
      quote:
      His name is Robert Bentley...
      Seriously, the A3 Bentley has diagrams that will allow you to trace any wire in the harnesses. The reason most of us don't get into specific wiring talk is that unless you take notes when you do it, you gotta go back into the Bentley and start reading diagrams, which is not much fun unless your doing it for YOUR car...not somebody elses...and discussing wiring gets VEERY wordy...
      I'll look em all up and label them for $5
      Maybe we should start a thread on reading the Bentley Wiring diagrams...they are INVALUABLE when swapping...
      BTW...I would not use the A3 interior harness in a rabbit, its got too much extra junk and the dash switches etc are different....use an A2 harness...see silvervdubs post about converting a rabbit to CE2...good luck!
      Just for your information I looked all the wires up already that's why I made the above post of those plugs that areleft over or unclear from the swap. Also from what I was told a few of those wires need to be spliced together which I did not mention cause someone told me already but I wanted to double check it here incased i misled someone that is taking it down for their swap.
      I saw silverveedubs post but it doesn't answer my above questions.

    25. 12-17-2002 08:43 AM #150
      quote:
      I made the above post of those plugs that areleft over or unclear from the swap.
      with a multimeter and a Bentley, almost nothing is unclear or left over....
      have fun sorting it out..you'll be happy when your done




      [Modified by PAGTI91, 5:44 AM 12-17-2002]

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