VR6 coilpack atlernative

[Slayer]

this is sounding better and better

[crrdslcvr6]

Great job guys. I love the progress of this topic.

[Cubix]

Sorry for the delay in measuring my wires, personal life and weather causing issues with my project.

I'll take the measurements in an hour or two

[Cubix]

The measurements are in!
I could use some more from those running the set up.

MSD cutom wires:
Boot height: 3.75"
HEI end: 2.25" to bend
Cyl 1: 34.75"
Cyl 2: 34"
Cyl 3: 38.25"
Cyl 4: 28.25"
Cyl 5: 34.5"
Cyl 6: 28.25"

Now these are my custom cut set, I didn't run them perfect, so I want some more measurements

[FourSeasonTuning.com]

I will measure the oe wire lengths and post the details.

Brackets just Added.

MSD Bracket $80 shipped


Modified by FourSeasonTuning.com at 10:42 AM 2-28-2007

[Cubix]

Tight

[jamesn67]

Quote, originally posted by FourSeasonTuning.com »

I will measure the oe wire lengths and post the details. Brackets just Added. MSD Bracket $80 shipped

Thanks Fourseasons!!! Now we can talk about the dang bracket!

I personally think this one is the best of course

[jhayesvw]

Quote, originally posted by jamesn67 »

Thanks Fourseasons!!! Now we can talk about the dang bracket! I personally think this one is the best of course

cool deal.
please keep any bracket talk pertaining only to custom made brackets that are NOT for sale or the one for sale @ Four Seasons only.

Thanks.

[abt cup]

Quote, originally posted by FourSeasonTuning.com »

I will measure the oe wire lengths and post the details. Brackets just Added. MSD Bracket $80 shipped

[piran21]

[Cubix]

Has anyone else measured their wires yet?

Fourseason, do you have those mesaurements too?

[FourSeasonTuning.com]

Will have the stock specs up today.

[Cubix]

[FourSeasonTuning.com]

Quote, originally posted by Cubix »

The measurements are in! I could use some more from those running the set up. MSD cutom wires: Boot height: 3.75" HEI end: 2.25" to bend Cyl 1: 34.75" Cyl 2: 34" Cyl 3: 38.25" Cyl 4: 28.25" Cyl 5: 34.5" Cyl 6: 28.25" Now these are my custom cut set, I didn't run them perfect, so I want some more measurements

Overall length of stock wires (Includes 3" OE metal end at spark plug) measured to center line of opening on the OE coil side boots.

The OE type coil side boots are 2.0 overall and 1.5 to the center line.

The MSD type coil side boots are 1.75 overall and 1.5 to the center line.

It looks like the MSD type are only a .25 in shorter overall than the OE ones. Can someone let me know if these lengths will work or what is really needed when using the Gruven bracket?

#1 41.75

#2 36.25

#3 36.125

#4 29.125

#5 29.625

#6 21.50

[jamesn67]

Did you mean the full list of what's needed to do the swap or just
specifically the wire info?

I owe Paul a DIY write up but have been too busy. Maybe someone
else can write it.

[FourSeasonTuning.com]

Correct ignition wire lengths to start. The whole DIY with harness info would be the best.

[Cubix]

I think there is still a DIY archived, the lengths I provided were for the bracket placement of the msd coils.

I think anything close to those lengths would work, but I can't be sure.

It'd be great to get a test setup with the bracket & wires together to make sure it is all measured correctly.

I'd do it myself, but I'm a little strapped for cash

[piran21]

Any pics of the said resistor and where it's supposed to go? Anyone take pics of the wiring at all?

[jamesn67]

There are some really nice pics posted by a guy from Florida but
I can't recall his screen name.

as for the resistor you want to use a ballast resistor. MSD sells them,
I believe Acell does, as well as Radio Shack. MSD is 0.8 ohm, Radio shack is 1 Ohm. Not sure on the Acell, ask Siletn dub. I goes between the 15 pin and the coils.

[piran21]

Wasn't it supposed to be between 1.20 and 1.60 ohms? If someone can find that Florida guy's post/pics that'be great!

[jamesn67]

There is not a "supposed" resistor value to use. Actually you are "supposed" to be able to run without it. We have not yet done a study to show the minimum resistor required or yet found the reason why it's even needed.

I am using a 0.8 ohm as I believe are some others. Some have used the radio shack with I believe is 1 ohm. Silentdub is using the Accel for which I don't know the rating.

[piran21]

And using the resistor stops the coils from blowing?

[jamesn67]

Quote, originally posted by piran21 »

And using the resistor stops the coils from blowing?

That is why they are being used. However, accodring to MSD they should not be required and some folks have been able to run without
them. At this point it is just a safety measure. I'd really like to find
the root cause and eliminate the resistor but I we haven't done that
yet.

[Cubix]

you know what I was wondering, I wonder if I originally grounded the msd coil, and thats what killed my ICM

hmmmm

[BLKBOX]

Quote, originally posted by jamesn67 »

That is why they are being used. However, accodring to MSD they should not be required and some folks have been able to run without them. At this point it is just a safety measure. I'd really like to find the root cause and eliminate the resistor but I we haven't done that yet.

I'm thinking about removing mine from the setup, as well. TekstepVR6 is running without one and hasn't had any problems. The other day I blew my resistor up and just swapped it with another one and it was fine again. I had covered it in shrink wrap so I'd imagine that it didn't get much air to ventilate.

[Boost112]

we need a DIY... i am somewhat understanding the setup but it is still a little fuzzy... if we could get a decent of pictures and a play by play then it would maybe make it easier for some to inderstand the whole installation ... by the way what is the average price comparison for the oe coil and the msd solution?

and by the way this is great!!!

to the guys trying to make this work and explaining it to the rest of the community....awesome

[jamesn67]

There are a couple of threads that are nearly a full DIY.
The original thread with all the most info got black holed
unfortunately.

Cubix has a good amount of the DIY info as does the florida
guy...who for the life of me I can't remember the screen name!!!
Sorry.

Also, silentdub put a post on the vwfixx foumrs whith a lot of
the original info so go look for that one as well.


Modified by jamesn67 at 11:32 PM 3-2-2007

[Cubix]

FMF I think

I'll take somepics when I'm reinstalling it

[onebdgti]

Don't forget that the older Chryslers used a ballast resister.
They were always know for going bad. Don't know the resistance
of it but you can pick those up at your local parts stores.

[Cubix]

Now that I think about it, I kind of moved my coil positons around on my bracket when I was diagnosing the burning coil.

I'm going to move it back to the way the oem coil is layed out,

1/6 | 3/4 | 2/5, where as I had it backwards (2/5 | 3/4 | 1/6) . The physical position doesn't matter as long as it's wired correctly, but when I make the write up I'll keep it as close to oem configuration as possible.

I just want to reiterate that point to any people starting this and not fully up to speed, the physical placement of the coil does not matter, just because the 1/6 post on the ICM is on the far side, doesn't mean you can't move the coil to the opposite side of you mounting bracket, just label it and wire it accordingly. There would really be no gains from doing such a thing, I did it to diagnose a possibly ground on my bracket, and just haven't changed it back.

[FourSeasonTuning.com]

Wire set shipped yesterday.

[Cubix]

Will post DIY w/ many photos next week

This just in: MSD coils let your car run on kittens

[calder]

look forward to the DIY!!

[Cubix]

Got my bracket from fourseasons
Just waiting on wires.

After some consideration I kept the wires at the oe lengths, most of the measurments were just about the same, the two wires with the big difference came from me just cutting them way way long, so we'll see how it fits together. If anything, I'll fiddle with my placement

...still trying to find the brake fluid leak

[kevwithoutacorrado]

So the ECU controls dwell and timing of spark, correct? all the ICM does is amplify it to the required (low) voltage to charge the coil?

Does the ICM do anything 'smarter' than amplify the current, or is it jsut a relay?


Modified by kevwithoutacorrado at 2:39 PM 3-12-2007