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    1. Member r0nd3L's Avatar
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      02-05-2007 09:09 PM #1
      Recently, I have noticed my car making some whining/humming noise when I'm turning at low speeds. It happens when I'm stopped at stop sign (for example) and starting off in 1st while turning either left or right. Other than these kind of situations, it never happens. It's 1.8T AWP 02M, btw. Don't think it's power steering because when I turn steering wheel while stopped, there are no noises.

      Anybody have a clue what can it be?


    2. 02-05-2007 09:18 PM #2
      Make sure you check our power steering fluid!!!
      Get this!!!

      http://ecstuning.com/stage/edp...=1801

      OEM fluid made by Pentosin!!!

      Same scenario with me, my fluid was way low!!!


      Modified by alomI wolleY iTG at 9:20 PM 2-5-2007


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      02-05-2007 09:29 PM #3
      Quote, originally posted by alomI wolleY iTG »
      Make sure you check our power steering fluid!!!
      Get this!!!

      http://ecstuning.com/stage/edp...=1801

      OEM fluid made by Pentosin!!!

      Same scenario with me, my fluid was way low!!!

      Did yours make noise when you turn the steering wheel while stopped?


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      02-05-2007 09:34 PM #4
      I just checked PS fluid, and it's right at the Min mark which I assume is fine.

      Like I said, steering doesn't make noise whenever I'm standing still and turning.


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      02-05-2007 09:34 PM #5
      Quote, originally posted by r0nd3L »

      Did yours make noise when you turn the steering wheel while stopped?

      I was almost empty and mine did the exact same thing man. check it for sure, it's real easy.

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      02-05-2007 09:56 PM #6
      Must not be PS fluid if it's at the right level? Do you think it's worth filling it up a little so it's at least half-way between Min and Max levels?

    7. 02-05-2007 10:06 PM #7
      i put my up to the max line

      my did noises while steering as well as slowly accelerating from a dead stop


    8. 02-05-2007 10:09 PM #8
      Forget your PS fluid, I'd be looking at changing your tranny fluids...

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      02-05-2007 10:17 PM #9
      Quote, originally posted by LowFlyinRabbit »
      Forget your PS fluid, I'd be looking at changing your tranny fluids...

      That's what I'm thinking too, it's that secret TSB nobody knows about, right?

      What would be good fluid to change? Redline MT-90, stock?


    10. 02-06-2007 12:24 AM #10
      Def good to put in some redline, especially if you drive "spirited"

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      02-06-2007 07:50 AM #11
      Quote, originally posted by LowFlyinRabbit »
      Def good to put in some redline, especially if you drive "spirited"

      I'd like some MT-90, but the cold issue scares me a little. I drive to school everyday three miles away, so car doesn't really get to warm up fully. I don't know how would Redline act in this situation.


    12. 02-06-2007 09:50 AM #12
      Quote, originally posted by r0nd3L »

      I'd like some MT-90, but the cold issue scares me a little. I drive to school everyday three miles away, so car doesn't really get to warm up fully. I don't know how would Redline act in this situation.


      just let it warm up for like 15 before you leave


    13. 02-06-2007 10:49 AM #13
      i had redline mt90 while working in Cincy... hated its cold temp characteristics... with a short shifter everything was horribly notchy

      i eventually went with pennzoil synchromesh after dealing with redline for 20k miles. pennzoil has treated me well for the past 25k miles in NY.

      Car had factory fluid for first 20k, then redline MT90 for 20k, now pennzoil synchromesh for 25k+.


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      02-06-2007 10:55 AM #14
      Low pitched "hum"?

      I get it too. I searched around and some people said it was wheel bearings, some said power steering fluid, and some said that it was normal and that all of the cars do it. So......choose which ever one you want to believe


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      02-06-2007 03:17 PM #15
      Yeah it's low pitched hum, not noticeable that much but annoying to me.

      As far as tranny fluid goes, I think I'll just go for fresh OEM as I don't think I'll like the others. Another option would be to go with GM Synchromesh as a lot of peeps really like it.


      Modified by r0nd3L at 3:38 PM 2-6-2007


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      02-06-2007 05:34 PM #16

      I had a similar problem I fixed just last night.


      My wheel-well liner had been kinda torn, so it was rubbing on one of my tires when I would turn at low speeds. I had it happen on the other side a while back.

      THe problem with 18 inch wheels on our cars is you cannot make a full turn left or right, it will eventually mess up your wheel-well liner depending on how fast and hard you turn doing it.

      So to fix it, I drilled a hole into the end of the liner (careful not to go into my tire) and ran a zip-tie to something where I'm hoping it will hold up. My friend fixed the other side the same way, but we did it at his tire-shop when it was on a lift. Fortunately I was able to fix mine last night in my driveway without having to jack it up much (didn't even need to do that really).


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      02-06-2007 05:40 PM #17
      Mine fender liners are fine. Good suggestion though.

      Man, this is getting annoying when you don't know what's the problem... Will change tranny fluid since I'm due anyway and see if that fixes anything.

      Fluid chose is complicated, though


      Modified by r0nd3L at 4:41 PM 2-6-2007


    18. 02-06-2007 05:56 PM #18
      Did you check your CV boots? If your boos are busted the grease will leak out and you might be getting the same noise.

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      02-06-2007 05:58 PM #19
      Quote, originally posted by StoicDude »
      Did you check your CV boots? If your boos are busted the grease will leak out and you might be getting the same noise.

      Yes, my right inner CV boot was tore, leaked some grease, but my mechanic put a zip tie on (I believe he did, hopefully didn't forget...).

      Thanks for reminding that though, I'll check that out.

      Btw, how do you go around fixing something like that? Need to dissamble everything and take the axle out?


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      02-06-2007 06:25 PM #20
      Decided to go with Pennzoil Synchromesh for my tranny.

    21. 02-06-2007 08:22 PM #21
      its your turbo

    22. 02-06-2007 08:39 PM #22
      I highly recommend the VW G052171A2 synthetic transmission oil. It's thinner than ANY aftermarket manual transmission lube you can buy, and it shifts FANTASTIC. Incidentally, it's what VW recomends for the 02m.

      Look at some used oil analysis reports on BobistheOilGuy.com ... Pennzoil synchromesh does not protect VW tranny's adequately.

      Any of the redline oils are too thick, as with Specialty Formulations oils.


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      02-06-2007 09:09 PM #23
      Quote, originally posted by rs1 »
      its your turbo

      huh


    24. 02-06-2007 09:11 PM #24
      Quote, originally posted by MA_GLI_18t »
      Look at some used oil analysis reports on BobistheOilGuy.com ... Pennzoil synchromesh does not protect VW tranny's adequately.

      I have (not as of recently) but was unable to find material on oil analysis of O2M with Pennzoil/GM Synchromesh.


    25. 02-06-2007 09:13 PM #25
      You're right! I couldn't find any now either ... I know they were there at one time ...

    26. 02-06-2007 09:15 PM #26
      Quote, originally posted by MA_GLI_18t »
      You're right! I couldn't find any now either ... I know they were there at one time ...

      I did read about some trannies not accepting Synchromesh well, but I didn't read incidents that include O2M trannies.

      Here's some documentation I read 3 years ago.
      http://www.stealth316.com/2-pe...h.htm


    27. 02-06-2007 09:18 PM #27
      G-052-171-A2

      Viscosity at 40C 31.2 cSt
      Viscosity at 100C 6.5 cSt

      Silicon 7
      Boron 140
      Calcium 7
      Barium 0
      Phosphorus 297
      Zinc 1
      Molybdenum 220


      Pennzoil Synchromesh

      Viscosity at 40C 41.6 cSt
      Viscosity at 100C 9.08 cSt

      Synchromesh is about 30% thicker when cold, and it doesn't have an anti-wear package ... I wouldn't use it.


      Modified by MA_GLI_18t at 6:19 PM 2-6-2007


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      02-06-2007 09:20 PM #28
      Quote, originally posted by MA_GLI_18t »
      I highly recommend the VW G052171A2 synthetic transmission oil. It's thinner than ANY aftermarket manual transmission lube you can buy, and it shifts FANTASTIC. Incidentally, it's what VW recomends for the 02m.

      Look at some used oil analysis reports on BobistheOilGuy.com ... Pennzoil synchromesh does not protect VW tranny's adequately.

      Any of the redline oils are too thick, as with Specialty Formulations oils.

      Wow, this stuff is $30/quart? That's like $100 for oil.

      Yea, same here, couldn't find any good info on that site.


      OEM does sound interesting, and that's what I was going to go in the beginning, but it's just so freaking overpriced for a quart of oil.


      Modified by r0nd3L at 8:24 PM 2-6-2007


    29. 02-06-2007 09:25 PM #29
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      Pennzoil-Quaker State Synchromesh is a unique transmission and transaxle fluid that is not API "GL" rated. It has an approximate gear oil grade of about SAE 80W and can be used when temperatures range from -40ºF (-40ºC) to 300ºF (150ºC). According to Pennzoil's product description it is "formulated with high quality paraffinic base stocks, a fluidity modifier, multifunctional performance additives, corrosion inhibitors, a foam suppressor and a shear stable viscosity index improver additive. It provides excellent oxidation stability, low temperature performance, excellent synchronizer performance and compatibility with yellow metals, such as bronze, brass and copper components found in manual transaxles and transmissions." This description makes Synchromesh suitable for use in some transaxles or transmissions where GL-4 gear oils are specified.

      A post on the message board at http://www.oilanalysis.com found Synchromesh to consist of a 5W30 non-detergent oil with a friction modifer and an EP (extreme pressure) additive. It is made under contract for General Motors by Pennzoil (APC 3378) or by Texaco (Code 1874 MTX Fluid).

      Compared to the factory fill, I had more shifting issues during winter months while Synchromesh has done well. I definitely felt a difference.

      I went through 2 winters with stock, 1 winter with Redline MT90, and 1 winter with Synchromesh.

      Going from stock to MT90 was a huge downgrade. Then going to Pennzoil was an impovement over stock and MT90.


      Modified by alomI wolleY iTG at 9:32 PM 2-6-2007


    30. 02-06-2007 09:28 PM #30
      Ok, fine. Use Synchromesh, best of luck.

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      02-06-2007 09:31 PM #31
      Quote, originally posted by MA_GLI_18t »
      Ok, fine. Use Synchromesh, best of luck.

      I'm still deciding of what to get. Every suggestion counts towards the decision. So far, it's either Synchromesh or OEM, but leaning towards Synchromesh because of performance and price.


    32. 02-06-2007 09:35 PM #32
      Quote, originally posted by MA_GLI_18t »
      Ok, fine. Use Synchromesh, best of luck.

      Interaction is good!

      Anyways, I started to lose hope in interesting posts in here. This stirs it up for those of us who like technical topics versus big bling topics.

      I hate to say this, but there was an upgrade/changeover/TSB with the O2M fluid. I might of received the original blend; my 20th is an early production number.




      Modified by alomI wolleY iTG at 9:38 PM 2-6-2007


    33. 02-06-2007 09:52 PM #33
      ok, I'll keep at it then

      The reason some people get better results from synchromesh is because it has friction modifiers to help with synchro and blocker ring engagement. It is thicker than the recommended oil, and does not have an anti-wear package (I'm not sure if this is due to the friction modifiers).

      Synchromesh is $10/quart
      g052171A2 is $25/quart (from 1stvwparts.com)

      So the VW fluid will cost you $45 more.

      Is VW secretly trying to make millions of of an obscure transmission oil? Doubtful. Every once in a while you get what you pay for ...

      This may be anectdotal, but the VW lube is very similar in base stock and add pack to the extremely high-quality spindle oils we use at work in 20,000rpm spindles in our high-speed machining centers.

      Anyways.

      When I tried synchromesh, I did not get better results, but it's cheap enough to give a try - if it works there you go - if not maybe you'll have to pony up the cash.


    34. 02-06-2007 09:54 PM #34
      Quote, originally posted by alomI wolleY iTG »

      Interaction is good!

      Anyways, I started to lose hope in interesting posts in here. This stirs it up for those of us who like technical topics versus big bling topics.

      I hear ya!


    35. 02-06-2007 10:01 PM #35
      From what I understand, the stuff they put in the early 02M's was the thicker G 052 726 A2 - a real 75w-90 mineral oil. Thick as day old Busch Light on a frat-house floor ...

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