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    Thread: Current News on the "New" Scirocco (Feb.06.2007)

    1. 08-01-2007 10:21 PM #101
      Quote, originally posted by vw53a »
      The car in the pig skin is the IROC (poorly named tHe nEw scIr0cC0 by VW). I wish it was the new GTI and it is more new GTI than the GTI but VW doesn't know the difference between a hatch back and a coupe. Sad Sad Sad. VW wants us to talk about this car and create a buzz. Look, it is working. We are buzzing like bees but I will not drive one because it is not a REAL Coupe! If it is not a Coupe it is not a SCIROCCO. Call it a truck or a BUS or a FOX if you want. None of those names are correct. The IROC is a GOLF but VW has the SCIROCCO name TM and so they can use it on what it wants to.

      I second that. Though i have a feeling if it makes it into production at all it will not be under the scirocco brand name or at least hope not. Since vwoa dose not want it to cannibalize there gti sales just call it a GTI and Bobs your uncle.

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      08-03-2007 11:09 AM #102
      that thing in the camo is f'n ugly. and here i was all excited...

    3. 08-03-2007 12:23 PM #103
      Quote, originally posted by nachtmusik »
      that thing in the camo is f'n ugly. and here i was all excited...

      It is very sad that VW is sticking the "Sc co" badge on this pig of a car. In flashy green it was an eye-full because the color was distracting from the form. In reality the car looks like a stupid economy minivan with boy racer details (covered by pigskin) like the GTI. This car is NOT a new SCIROCCO even if it has a SCIROCCO badge. The Scirocco was the rebirth of VW in 1974. This new thing marks the death of both the model name and VWs water heritage. When this car hits the show room VW will have many confused economy cars to sell. This one should be the GOLF GTI. Sadly, VW does not understand them self as well as we do. At the same time KIA and many other car companies will be entering this hatch market. I am sure that many inside VW are just marching to orders and have no voice in the politics. If VW wants to save this car CALL IT THE GOLF SPORT GTX! Them start work on a SCIROCCO that is more like the R8.

    4. 08-08-2007 08:15 PM #104
      is it the new Piggato?
      Sciroccos forever!
      Get on the list: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/scirocco-l

    5. 08-10-2007 08:46 PM #105
      I love how everyone is down on this car. We haven't even seen it(in person) nor have we driven it and we hate it! Too funny.
      Anyway, I'm stoked on this car and hope it indeed makes it our way. Last I heard one guy from top brass said it wasn't coming, Winterkorn(who most definitely wears the pants) laid the hammer down and said it is coming. I'll go with Winterkorn. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

    6. 08-10-2007 08:54 PM #106
      Quote, originally posted by PUMA4kicks »
      I love how everyone is down on this car. We haven't even seen it(in person) nor have we driven it and we hate it! Too funny.

      It's because of VW's history here in the states that's why we are down on this car.......wait u'll see
      later,
      -Mark

    7. 08-10-2007 08:57 PM #107
      Quote, originally posted by GTiMark23 »
      It's because of VW's history here in the states that's why we are down on this car.......wait u'll see
      later,
      -Mark

      Still learning, but please, educate me.

    8. 08-10-2007 10:56 PM #108
      Quote, originally posted by PUMA4kicks »
      Still learning, but please, educate me.

      This new car needs to be VWs sports car if it is called Scirocco. The look is wrong. Way wrong. Not Scirocco at all.
      Over the years VWs have become heavy and over sized. The Golf 5 is near twice the weight of the Golf 1. The Scirocco had a charm of its own. It was light on its feet and fun to drive. This IROC has no DNA of the old Scirocco at all. This IROC does not appeal to the same type of driver as the Scirocco. So why call it a Scirocco at all. A new name would be way more appropriate. Then we may cut it some slack. This IROC is just one more big heavy VW blob. What is the point of it other than it is more like what the next Golf GTI could be like. If it is going to look like a Golf call it a Golf.
      You don't need to drive it to know that the IROC is no RX8, S2000, or even a TC. The IROC is a boy racer BOX CIVIC with way more weight added to it. Why?

    9. 08-10-2007 11:25 PM #109
      Quote, originally posted by vw53a »
      This new car needs to be VWs sports car if it is called Scirocco. The look is wrong. Way wrong. Not Scirocco at all.
      Over the years VWs have become heavy and over sized. The Golf 5 is near twice the weight of the Golf 1. The Scirocco had a charm of its own. It was light on its feet and fun to drive. This IROC has no DNA of the old Scirocco at all. This IROC does not appeal to the same type of driver as the Scirocco. So why call it a Scirocco at all. A new name would be way more appropriate. Then we may cut it some slack. This IROC is just one more big heavy VW blob. What is the point of it other than it is more like what the next Golf GTI could be like. If it is going to look like a Golf call it a Golf.
      You don't need to drive it to know that the IROC is no RX8, S2000, or even a TC. The IROC is a boy racer BOX CIVIC with way more weight added to it. Why?

      You have some valid thoughts. At the same time there are very simple things that need to be considered to understand just how a modern Scirocco should be engineered to fit in todays automotive market.
      1) Safety standards are a lot more stringent now than ever, especially at the time of the original Scirocco(could VW have ever dreamed). This means more safety systems(airbags, esp, etc.) must be included in the cars which of course adds more weight. A harsh reality we cannot live without(pun fully intended).
      2) The design has to be bought up to modern times to make sense to consumers. VW has gone retro once, do they need to do it again? Understandably there are many here that don't take to the new Scirocco's design simply because it just doesn't live up to old standards, but we're the minority.
      3) I doubt either of the two things I mentioned above you haven't considered before. Maybe?

    10. 08-11-2007 01:49 AM #110

      Take a look at the Audi R8. The R8 is more Scirocco than the IROC.
      The R8 is new and updated. I am sure that the R8 passes all the latest safety standards. If the R8 were the Scirocco we would have way less issues!
      OK, you say that the R8 is too much car for VW.
      Then give us the looks of the R8 with less motor and less sticker shock. That would would make a good Scirocco starting point.

      The Mazda RX8 is a great car and can kick the but of any MK5 Golf in any real world road racing. Notice that the RX8 is sporty and still has 4 seats. The RX8 is updated.

      As far as the Mays Bug goes, VW is building a stupid retro new bug. The Porsche designed bug was a full concept with the motor in the rear and the body got its stiffness from the curves in the body. The new bug has the motor in the front but is made to look like a car that was designed with the motor in the back. The new Bug is a Toon Town car (cartoon like). I don't want the Scirocco to be a Toon Town car.

      A full retro Scirocco is not the 100% desire for all Scirocco drivers or the sports drivers of this world. A Scirocco driver wants a real car that works and looks sporty. The Scirocco has always been an inexpensive and way more versatile BMW M1, Lotus, or Porsche. The Scirocco was never a high powered car in the US. It looked like it was fast and it could be driven fast. The Scirocco driver of today does not want a sports car that looks like a Mini Van. We all know that the Golf chassis and the Scirocco chassis were the same back in the A1 days. It is not the underpinnings that make the IROC a Golf and not a Scirocco. It is the shape.
      Yes I see your points.
      The market is saying Don't try to sell us a (an IROC) brick and call it a dart. A brick is a brick so call it a brick. The IROC is a GOLF so call it a GOLF not a Scirocco.




      Modified by vw53a at 8:29 AM 8-11-2007

    11. 08-11-2007 01:14 PM #111
      A real sports car doesn't have rear seats. Mine have been out of the car since last century. Talk about cargo room!

    12. 08-11-2007 02:16 PM #112
      I couldn't agree more, I am speechless great job Kathy [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      -Mark

    13. 08-14-2007 04:33 PM #113
      Quote, originally posted by vw53a »

      A full retro Scirocco is not the 100% desire for all Scirocco drivers or the sports drivers of this world. A Scirocco driver wants a real car that works and looks sporty. The Scirocco has always been an inexpensive and way more versatile BMW M1, Lotus, or Porsche. The Scirocco was never a high powered car in the US. It looked like it was fast and it could be driven fast. The Scirocco driver of today does not want a sports car that looks like a Mini Van. We all know that the Golf chassis and the Scirocco chassis were the same back in the A1 days. It is not the underpinnings that make the IROC a Golf and not a Scirocco. It is the shape.

      Exactly. It should be a Fastback hatch at the very least. There arent enough sexy fastbacks unless you're in the 50k + market, which was also the same story during the original roc days.

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      08-17-2007 01:58 PM #114
      BOOOOOO to VWOA for being LAME!!!!!!!!
      Can we just start our own VW company in the US and make only hot cars and dump all the stupid politics about what VWOA THINKS is worthy of the US market...
      As far as the 'rocco goes, that sucks, I was planning on making that my next VW, the R32 MKIV that i was one of the first US owners for is still an awesome car and proof that IF they listen to US we'll be faithful to follow through and buy these great cars...
      I was only hoping that the 'rocco was a fast back too, like so....


      and a more grounded front end and better side reflection, not the droopy line on the concept...


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      08-18-2007 05:00 PM #115
      those photos are more scirocco like [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

    16. 08-20-2007 11:18 PM #116
      Quote, originally posted by aaron_m »
      Exactly. It should be a Fastback hatch at the very least. There arent enough sexy fastbacks unless you're in the 50k + market, which was also the same story during the original roc days.

      I agree. And VW gave us watered down Sciroccos until they finally gave us the 16V.
      Unfortunately VWOA seems to have reverted to it's pre Rabbit GTi "head in the sand" days. VWOA does not sell a small VW. VW was known for small efficient cars back when. The new "Rabbit" is a joke - it gets crappier fuel economy than the original.
      VW Germany has sought input from Scirocco enthusiasts in Germany (I have a friend that was so invited) - so here's hoping VW Germany makes it good.
      Sciroccos forever!
      Get on the list: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/scirocco-l

    17. 08-21-2007 03:45 AM #117
      I think it'll look more like this :


      i love this look !!

    18. 08-24-2007 12:07 AM #118
      The "NEW sC1r0cCO" is a total loss as a Scirocco coupe.
      I don't think there is any hope that VW will make a coupe out of it.
      In an industry interview VW acknowledged the total departure from the traditional coupe style and justified it by saying it was the only way to make room for the rear passengers. The trunk "volume" is the same as the MK1 Scirocco but the usable floor space is smaller on the new car. Note that the volume is all up near the roof and not on the floor. Over all this "NEW sC1r0cCO" is less sporty and has less usable trunk space than the 1974 version due to the desire to make more rear passenger space. If you ask me VW used the GOLF spec to design this car.
      As a Golf the "NEW sC1r0cCO" may be more interesting than the other mini van Golfs. The feed back that I have gotten is that the IROC reminds many of the boy racer CIVICs of the 90s. It is not just the shape but the all the Boy racer trim with the Fast and Furious color green. It will difficult for VW to alter the street racer first impression.
      With a new wave of other cars that have a similar shape the IROC may find itself out classed like the first R32 and the MK5 Golf did. As driving goes both the R32 and the MK5 Golf were nice but the STI / EVO AWD and CIVIC 2WD were faster and more interesting to the enthusiast market.
      Quote, originally posted by Mash »
      VW Germany has sought input from Scirocco enthusiasts in Germany (I have a friend that was so invited) - so here's hoping VW Germany makes it good.

      True but that enthusiasts group had nearly no influence and most of them are protesting VWs direction. The head of the VW team that worked on the project was replace by new management.

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      08-24-2007 04:15 AM #119
      that green drawing is the cross golf
      Quote, originally posted by Mash »
      VW Germany has sought input from Scirocco enthusiasts in Germany (I have a friend that was so invited) - so here's hoping VW Germany makes it good.
      not good but GREAT
      one must have faith, and on the 18 day VW created Rocco


    20. 08-24-2007 11:49 AM #120
      Quote, originally posted by vdubdr »
      that green drawing is the cross golf
      Quote, originally posted by Mash »
      VW Germany has sought input from Scirocco enthusiasts in Germany (I have a friend that was so invited) - so here's hoping VW Germany makes it good.
      not good but GREAT
      one must have faith, and on the 18 day VW created Rocco

      Your article is one year old.
      The enthusiasts in Germany are now Protesting!
      I agree that the green drawing looks like a Golf. Unfortunately the green drawing has the same proportions as the Scirocco test car and is very similar to every official press release from VW. The drawing illustrates the inappropriate shape and VWs departure from a real coupe. The enthusiasts that went to see VW last year are frustrated. VW has restructured in the year between the two times that the enthusiasts went. Now forum polls and letters of dissatisfaction are being sent by some of the Germans.

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      09-10-2007 07:57 AM #121
      So are we going to get the Scirocco in the US after all? It seems like VW cannot make up their minds. There is a new video out of one being tested here in Death Valley. They were testing a Mk VI Golf/Rabbit as well.
      http://youtube.com/watch?v=dEbn0Fw1c00

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      09-11-2007 01:23 PM #122
      Quote, originally posted by TWinbrook46636 »
      So are we going to get the Scirocco in the US after all? It seems like VW cannot make up their minds. There is a new video out of one being tested here in Death Valley. They were testing a Mk VI Golf/Rabbit as well.
      http://youtube.com/watch?v=dEbn0Fw1c00

      I can't help thinking how much that video just makes it look like a Golf/GTI.

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      09-12-2007 07:55 AM #123
      Quote, originally posted by TWinbrook46636 »
      So are we going to get the Scirocco in the US after all? It seems like VW cannot make up their minds. There is a new video out of one being tested here in Death Valley. They were testing a Mk VI Golf/Rabbit as well.

      Lots of cars are tested here that are not released here. Death Valley is just a great place to hot weather test, and is remote, yet still close enough to populous areas to ensure they don't get lost and die in Africa

    24. 09-19-2007 02:32 AM #124
      It is looking like the US will be stuck with the IROC. VW never built the Scirocco in the past, Karmann did. Now that VW is going to build a car that they call Scirocco they can't even get the roof line even close. What a kick in the head to GG and all the great folks at Karmann who worked so hard to GIVE VW a sports car. Too bad Karmann did not have the trademark on the Scirocco name. VW just destroyed the name. Now Scirocco will be associated with the CIVIC shape.

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      09-19-2007 07:49 PM #125
      Quote, originally posted by vw53a »
      It is looking like the US will be stuck with the IROC. VW never built the Scirocco in the past, Karmann did. Now that VW is going to build a car that they call Scirocco they can't even get the roof line even close. What a kick in the head to GG and all the great folks at Karmann who worked so hard to GIVE VW a sports car. Too bad Karmann did not have the trademark on the Scirocco name. VW just destroyed the name. Now Scirocco will be associated with the CIVIC shape.

      I'm not sure about the Rocco, but I know for a fact that VW designed the Corrado (a fellow by the name of Schaeffer if I recall correctly). Karmann is merely the production facility. I know I am going to butcher the name, but didn't Guigaro design at least one of the rocco's?
      How do you know that the IROC won't be assembled in the Karmann factory? How do you know that we are getting the IROC? I haven't seen any official VWoA releases on this car, just speculation from a couple of car mags.

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