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    02-25-2007 10:35 AM #1


    This list doesn't exist on the internet, so why not start one here? This will be a super comprehensive list of all the manufacturers and all their variants. I know it'll be a huge list, but it seems like it would also be a great reference for anyone wanting info on the AR weapons system.

    Contribute your info with the Manufacturer, and ALL their models which are basically clones of the AR weapons system. this is going to be comprehensive, but hey it'll be fun too! Maybe we could even make it a sticky?

    Just for starters:

    Accuracy Systems Inc http://www.accuracysystemsinc.com/
    ASI
    ASI Prairie Master
    LR Tech Tactical
    Varmint Special

    ADCOR Defense http://www.adcorindustries.com/
    BEAR
    BEAR Elite
    BEAR GI Elite

    Airtronic USA http://www.airtronic.net/military.html
    DMR

    Alexander Arms http://www.alexanderarms.com/
    6.5 Grendel
    .50 Beowulf

    Ameetec Arms http://www.ameetecarms.com/
    Modular
    Standard
    Tactical
    Varmint Master

    American Spirit Arms http://www.americanspiritarms.net/
    A2
    M4
    9mm
    .308
    Side Charger
    Dissipator

    Anderson Manufacturing http://www.atdmachineshop.com/
    AM-15AOR16
    AM15-M416
    AM-15HBOR20
    AM-15VS24

    Anvil Arms http://www.anvilarms.com/
    AA-15
    AA-16

    Armalite http://www.armalite.com/
    AR-10
    AR-10
    M-15A2
    M-15A4

    Arms Tech Ltd http://www.armstechltd.com/products.php
    Compak-16
    Recon Rifle

    Artillerie Inrichtingen
    AR-10

    Astra http://www.astra-arms.ch/products/stg-rifles
    STG4 Carbine
    STG4 Commando
    STG15

    Balimoy Manugacturing http://www.dse.net/index.html
    M16A2

    Barrett Rifles http://www.barrettrifles.com/
    M468

    Battle Rifle Company http://www.battleriflecompany.com/
    BR4
    BR15
    BR16
    BR177

    Bazooka Bros http://bazookabrothers.com/
    BAZ45

    Blackwater Armory http://www.blackwaterusa.com/
    BW15

    Bravo Company USA http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/
    M4 Carbine
    MID-16 Carbine
    RECCE-14
    RECCE-16
    RECCE-16 Precision
    RECCE-16 Precision VIS
    A4 Rifle
    Mk12
    SAM-R

    Busan (Singapore)
    M16

    Bushmaster http://www.bushmaster.com/
    AK
    AKA2
    Carbon 15
    Dissipator
    XM15E2S
    M4
    Superlight
    V Match
    Varminter

    Cavalry Arms http://www.cavalryarms.com/rifles.html
    "Trooper" 14.5" Carbine
    "Scout" 16" Carbine
    "Rifleman" 20" Rifle

    Charles Daly Defense http://www.charlesdalydefense.com/
    CDD-15
    D-M4
    D-M4LE
    D-M4S
    D-M4LX
    DR-15
    DV-24

    CMMG http://www.cmmginc.com/
    A1 SOCOM M4
    M2 SBR
    M10 SST
    SST M10C
    SST M10M
    M2 SBR
    M18
    M18-M
    M4
    M7 SBR Lightweight
    Tactical SST Bull
    OD MOD4

    Cobb Manufacturing http://www.cobb50.com/
    MCR

    Colt http://www.colt.com/
    AR15
    CAR-15
    Delta HBAR
    LE Carbine
    M4
    M16
    M16A2
    M16A3
    M16A4
    XM177E2
    9mm Submachine Gun

    Core15 http://www.core15.com/
    M4
    M4 Piston
    MOE M4
    MOE M4 Piston
    TAC M4
    TAC M4 Piston
    MOE Mid-Length Piston
    TAC Mid-Length Piston
    TAC M4 V.2
    MOE Mid-Length
    TAC Mid-Length

    Daniel Defense https://danieldefense.com/
    M4 Carbine

    Defensive Edge http://www.slr15.com/
    SLR15 Classic
    SLR15 Commander
    SLR15 Entry
    SLR15 Grail
    SLR15 Operator

    Defense Industries Organization http://www.diomil.ir/en/aig.aspx
    S-5.56

    Del-Ton http://www.del-ton.com/
    Carbine A2
    DTI-4
    Mid-Length
    Standard

    Diemaco http://www.coltcanada.com/
    C7
    C7A1
    C7A2
    C8
    C8CT
    C8FT
    C8FTHB
    LSW
    SFW

    Dlask Arms http://www.dlaskarms.com/
    DAR-701-1
    DAR-701-4
    DAR-701 CQB
    DAR-701 Target

    D&L Sports http://www.dlsports.com/signat....html
    Combination Carbine
    CQB Carbine
    Precision
    Professional Perimeter Carbine

    Doublestar http://www.star15.com/
    Patrol
    STAR-15
    STAR EM-4 Carbine
    20” Super Match

    DPMS http://www.dpmsinc.com/
    Panther series

    DSA http://www.dsarms.com/
    DS-AR Series

    Eagle Arms http://www.armalite.com/
    AR-10T
    EA-15
    M-15

    Fabrique Nationale http://www.fnmfg.com/
    M16 A2
    M16 A4

    Ferfrans http://www.ferfrans.net/
    SOAR
    SOAR P
    PSW
    HVLAR
    SOACR

    Floro International Corporation http://floro-intl.com/
    M4A1
    M4A1 Model-C

    Frankford Arsenal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankford_Arsenal
    M16
    XM177E2

    Freakshow Manufacturing http://www.freakshowbullets.com
    AR15

    FR Ordnance International Ltd
    M16

    Fulton Armory http://www.fulton-armory.com
    FAR-15

    General Motors Hydramatic Division http://www.gm.com/explore/tech...x.jsp
    M-16

    Gilboa http://www.gilboa-rifle.com/
    14.5 Carbine
    10.5 Commando
    7" Shorty
    5.7 Micro
    APR
    DMR
    Savannah
    M-43
    .308
    9mm SMG
    Snake

    Harrington & Richardson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H_&_R_Firearms
    M-16

    Hellenic Defense Systems http://www.eas.gr/
    M4

    Henderson Defense http://www.hendersondefense.com/stor...-Rifles-c5.htm
    Compact Defense Weapon

    Hesse Arms http://www.egpworld.com/hp/ar-15/HESSE_ARMS.htm
    HAR-15
    HAR-15A2

    Heckler & Koch http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/
    HK416

    High Standard http://www.highstandard.com/
    HSA-15 Rifle A2
    HSA-15 Carbine A2
    HSA-15 Flat Top Rifle
    HSA-15 Flat Top Carbine

    Imperial Defence Services Limited http://www.imperialdefence.co.uk
    MG4A5
    MG4A6
    M16A3

    Interarms http://www.highstandard.com/brands/interarms.html
    M4
    AR15

    Iron Ridge Arms Company http://www.ironridgeguns.com/ira-x-complete-rifles/
    IRA-X Standard
    IRA-X THOR
    IRA-X THOR S

    Jing An / Norinco http://www.norincoequipment.cn...sid=1
    CQ / M311
    CQ-M4

    JP Rifles http://www.jprifles.com/index.php
    CTR-02
    JP-15
    JP-15VT
    LRP-07

    Knight's Armaments Company http://www.knightarmco.com/
    SR-15
    SR-5 M5
    SR-16 M5
    SR-15 (.308)
    SR-47
    MK-11 Carbine (.308)

    LaFrance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_France_M16K
    M-16K
    M-16K45 (.45ACP)

    Lancer Systems http://www.lancer-systems.com/
    L-15

    Land Warfare Resource Corp http://www.lwrifles.com/
    M6
    M6A1
    M6A2
    M6A2DMR

    LaRue Tactical http://www.laruetactical.com/
    Larue Stealth

    Lauer Weaponry http://lauerweaponry.com/
    LCW15

    Leitner-Wise http://www.leitner-wise.com
    LW-15

    Les Baer Custom http://www.lesbaer.com
    AR.223

    Lewis Machine and Tool http://www.lewismachine.net
    Defender
    Guardian
    Mk18 CQBR

    Loki Weapon Systems http://www.lokiweaponsystems.com/
    LWSF M4 GAT
    LWSF M4 Tactical
    LWSF M4
    LWSF M4 Patrol
    LWSF Magpul MOE
    LWSF M4 STD
    LWS M4 MOE

    LWRC International http://www.lwrci.com/c-3-rifles.aspx
    M6-SL
    M6A1
    M6A2
    M6A5
    SPR
    PSD
    M6-IC
    UCIW

    MG Arms Incorporated http://www.mgarmsinc.com
    CK-4
    K-Yote

    Military Industry Corporation of Sudan http://mic.sd/images/products/....html
    Terab

    Military Manufacturing
    M16X

    Molot JSC http://www.molot.biz/product-e/index.php
    HPE-140

    Mossberg http://www.mossberg.com/
    MMR Hunter
    MMR Tactical

    NEMO Arms http://nemoarms.com/
    Omen
    Battle Light
    Battle Rifle
    Super SASS
    [TI] One

    Norinco http://www.norinco.com/
    CQ 311-1
    CQ M311-1

    Nosler http://varmageddon.com/
    Varmageddon

    Noveske Rifleworks http://www.noveskerifleworks.com/
    N4 Light Series
    CQB Rifle Series
    Crusader Rifle Series
    Afghan Rifle Series
    Recon Rifle Series
    VTAC Combat Carbines

    Oberland Arms http://www.oberlandarms.com
    AR15 SP1
    OA-15

    Ohio Rapid Fire http://www.ohiorapidfire.com/
    A2
    National Match Supreme RR223
    Super Bull Stainless


    Olympic Arms http://www.olyarms.com/
    K4B
    K4B-A4
    K8
    K8MAG
    K30R
    K68

    Palmetto Armory
    BH.15A1

    Patriot Ordnance Factory http://www.pof-usa.com/
    P-415
    P-416
    P-308

    Predator Custom Shop http://www.predatorcustomshop.com
    5.56 Carnivore
    5.56 DMR

    Proarms Armory http://proarms-armory.com/
    PAR Mk3

    Rasmussen Arms http://rasmussenarms.com/products
    RAR-15

    Red Jacket Firearms http://www.redstick-firearms.com
    9mm M16
    M3-16
    Excalibur
    KMP

    Remington http://www.remington.com/
    R-15 VTR
    R-25

    RND Manufacturing http://www.rndedge.com/index.htm
    RND 400
    RND 800
    RND 2000
    RND 2100
    RND 2500
    RND 2600
    RND 3000

    Rock River Arms http://www.rockriverarms.com/
    LAR-10 (.308)
    LAR-15 (.223)
    LAR-9 (9mm)
    LAR-6.8 (6.8mm)
    LAR-458 (458 SOCOM)

    Rocky Point Guns http://www.rockypointguns.com/category-list.cfm?id=23
    AR-15LE
    Urban Tactical
    Flat Top

    Ruger http://www.ruger-firearms.com/SR556/index.html
    SR-556

    Sabre Defence http://www.sabre-defence.com/
    XR15

    Safir Arms http://www.safirarms.com/eng.html
    T14 Classic Shotgun
    T14 Compact Shotgun
    T14 Classic S Shotgun
    T14 Compact S Shotgun
    T15 Classic
    T15 Compact
    T15 Classic S
    T15 Compact S

    Schmeisser Germany GmbH http://www.schmeisser-germany.de/en/products_civil.html
    AR15 M4
    AR15 M5
    AR15 A4
    Ar15 Ultramatch
    Ar15 Ultramatch STS


    Sendra Corporation
    XM15E2

    Shooters Supply Customs http://www.shooterssupplyusa.com
    SR-15

    Sig Sauer http://www.sigsauer.com/
    SIG516 PDW
    SIG516 CQB
    SIG516 BASELINE CARBINE
    SIG516 Patrol
    SIG516 Tactical Marksman
    SIG516 Precision Marksman

    Silver Shadow http://www.silver-shadow.com/
    Gilboa APR

    Singapore Technologies Kinetics (formerly Chartered Industries of Singapore)
    M16

    Sionics Weapon Systems http://www.sionicsweaponsystems.com/
    SAR-15
    SAR-15-QR
    SAR-15-QR10
    SAR-15-QRML

    Smith & Wesson http://www.smith-wesson.com/
    M&P15
    M&P15A
    M&P15T
    M&P15PC

    SNS Industries: http://www.snsindustriesinc.com
    LFT-15

    SOG Armory http://www.sogarmory.com/Produ...d=154
    Guardian
    Enforcer
    Defender
    Crusader
    Warrior
    Operator

    Special Weapons http://www.tactical-weapons.com/SW%20page.htm
    AR47 Std
    AR47 CAR

    Spike's Tactical http://www.spikestactical.com/catalog/home.php
    Special Editon "Chubaka"
    ST-15 M4 Carbine
    ST-15 Operator
    ST-15 SD
    ST15 - 22 caliber Rifle SBR Class III

    Spirit Gun Manufacturing http://www.buy.spiritgunmfg.com
    SGM-A14
    SGM-A49
    SGM-9PB

    SSK Industries http://www.sskindustries.com/
    20 Tactical

    ST Kinetics http://www.stengg.com/kinetics/ourbusiness.aspx
    M16S1

    Stag Arms http://www.stagarms.com/
    Stag-15
    Stag-15L (left handed)
    Stag-6.8
    Stag-6.8L (left handed)

    Superior Arms http://www.superiorarms.com/
    S-15

    Tactical Machining http://www.tacticalmachining.com/
    TM-15

    Tactical Rifles http://www.tacticalrifles.net/
    DOW FAL15
    Tactical M4C
    Tactical SVR

    Tactics LLC http://www.tacticsllc.com/
    T4 Standard

    Taiwan State Arsenal http://www.mnd.gov.tw/english/Default.aspx / Hsin Ho Machinery http://www.janes.com/articles/....html
    T65
    T86
    T91

    Templar Tactical Arms http://www.templartacticalarms.com
    TTA Mark 12
    TTA 15 SBR
    TTA 15 Tactical

    THOR Global Defense Group http://www.thorgdg.com/
    TR-15

    Tromix http://www.tromix.com/
    .17 Remington
    .204 Ruger Tack-Hammer
    223 Tack-Hammer FDR
    20 Tactical
    458 SOCOM Monster

    Troy Industries http://www.troyind.com/
    CQBSPC556B
    CQBSPC556T
    CQBSPC762B
    CQBSPC762T

    2 Vets Arms Company, LLC http://www.2vetsarms.com/
    2VA68
    2VA300
    2VA556

    Vulcan Armament http://www.vulcanarmament.com/
    V-15

    Wilson Combat http://www.wilsoncombat.com/index_rifle.htm
    M-4T
    SS-15
    UT-15

    Yankee Hill Machine http://www.yhm.net/store/AR_Rifles.html
    Black Diamond Specter
    Entry Level
    Lightweight
    Smooth Carbine

    Z-M Weapons http://www.zmweapons.com/
    LR 300
    LR 300-ML-A
    LR 300 SR-A
    LR 300-SR-N

    comments or corrections?

    obin
    Last edited by Obin Robinson; 05-08-2013 at 12:00 PM.
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    02-25-2007 11:04 AM #2
    OMG! Terrorist rifles!

    The AR-15 wikipedia page already has a bunch of good links.


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    02-25-2007 01:01 PM #3
    Would the AR-18 be included in this?

    I know nothing about the AR series of rifles really.... other than the first AR-15 sold for stupid money. The actual rifle that was shot by some General at a party, and was also shot on some boat by Kennedy and McNamara, and has a super high historical value. I wish I would have saved that ad offline now

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  4. 02-25-2007 01:56 PM #4
    Quote, originally posted by Broke »
    Would the AR-18 be included in this?

    No. It only has slight parts interchangeablity with the AR rifle and has a different gas opertation, piston vs direct impingement.


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    02-25-2007 04:42 PM #5
    i really want one
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    02-25-2007 09:51 PM #6
    Complete rifles or companies that make uppers and lowers?

    Example, http://www.cavalryarms.com makes the polymer lowers.


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    02-26-2007 01:46 PM #8
    H&K 416 ?

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    02-26-2007 05:12 PM #9
    Quote, originally posted by kptaylor »
    Complete rifles or companies that make uppers and lowers?

    Example, http://www.cavalryarms.com makes the polymer lowers.

    i'm just going to include completes because i know the list of company that makes just parts for the AR is about a thousand miles long.

    Quote, originally posted by G20t »
    Norinco M311

    thanks! added it!

    Quote, originally posted by ginster vr6 »
    H&K 416 ?

    i was contemplating adding it, but the function is a bit too different and you can't swap parts back and forth (or can you?)

    obin

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    02-26-2007 10:55 PM #10
    Quote, originally posted by Obin Robinson »

    i was contemplating adding it, but the function is a bit too different and you can't swap parts back and forth (or can you?)

    I wish I knew.


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    02-26-2007 11:11 PM #11
    Thanks for reminding me that I still want a midlength upper. I just wish they were more common.

  12. 02-26-2007 11:17 PM #12
    The HK416 upper is a direct replacement for the DI uppers already in service and can be installed on any milspec M16/M4/AR lower. Like HK, other piston op uppers from the likes of POF/DSA and Leitner-Wise as well as a few others.

    Depending on the system, many parts commonality exist between the piston op and DI uppers.


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    02-27-2007 04:42 PM #14
    Quote, originally posted by Karl Lazlo »
    The HK416 upper is a direct replacement for the DI uppers already in service and can be installed on any milspec M16/M4/AR lower. Like HK, other piston op uppers from the likes of POF/DSA and Leitner-Wise as well as a few others.

    Depending on the system, many parts commonality exist between the piston op and DI uppers.

    so reasonably could you call the 416 an AR clone? or you think there's enough difference to leave it off the list?

    obin

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  15. 02-27-2007 05:33 PM #15
    Obviously, the gas operation deviates from the orginal DI design. However, there are a quite a few variants from Stoner's orginal design:

    Forward assist, brass deflector, different sights, flat top, etc.

    IMHO, I still consider the HK416 and other piston op uppers as being direct derivatives of the AR rifle. As an example, there are some systems out there that deviate from the HK roller locked delayed blowback systems but are still considered "clones" of the HK54/94


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    03-01-2007 10:30 PM #16
    is the HK416 available to the public or do i have to finangle something an official letter??

  17. 03-01-2007 10:34 PM #17
    No public sales. No IO sales. When I last spoke to an HK LE distributor, rifles and uppers were to be purchased on dept/agency letterhead.

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    03-01-2007 11:42 PM #18
    easy enough... too bad there's that "for official use only" clause.

    could be fun for range day though...


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    03-19-2007 09:44 AM #19
    i've added a bunch more AR clone makers since i started this list. i am wondering though about making an M1911 clone list. something tells me that would be TOO huge. it also seems like just about everyone that makes an AR clone makes a 1911 clone.

    obin

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    09-28-2007 09:58 PM #20
    added a ton more.

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    09-28-2007 10:39 PM #21
    sig sauer 556?

  22. 09-29-2007 12:20 AM #22
    i vote yes for a M1911 list.

  23. 09-29-2007 10:06 AM #23
    Quote, originally posted by NoDubJustYet »
    sig sauer 556?

    A fine riffle, but not an AR clone. It will accept the mags though.

    Dave.


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  25. 09-29-2007 08:53 PM #25
    Some more to add:

    Lewis Machine & Tool (LMT): http://www.lewismachine.net/

    Land Warfare Resource Corp (LWRC): http://www.lwrifles.com/


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    09-30-2007 02:52 AM #26
    Quote, originally posted by speedn16v »

    A fine riffle, but not an AR clone. It will accept the mags though.

    Dave.

    ok... got it.


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    12-22-2007 10:40 AM #27
    added a bunch... bump to the top!

    obin

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  28. 12-22-2007 11:19 AM #28
    Add http://www.jprifles.com/index.php. They also produce several AR variants.

    I just bought one of their muzzle brakes. I saw someone firing an AR with one in our last tac rifle match and had to have one. Its the cleanest looking brake. But it is loud.


  29. 12-22-2007 02:40 PM #29
    interesting thread....

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    12-22-2007 03:54 PM #30
    LaRue Tactical makes AR uppers. They make some great gear too. Too bad he seems to be a total ass by the way he acts on some other AR boards and I'll never buy one of his products just on principle. Luckily I'm not clearing rooms so not having the absolute best wont kill me cause he does make some of the best stuff in the industry. http://stores.homestead.com/La...t.bok

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    12-22-2007 11:08 PM #31
    Quote, originally posted by .:RDriver »
    LaRue Tactical makes AR uppers. They make some great gear too.

    i wanted to keep this thread focused on manufacturers that make entire weapons. the only reason is that there are SO MANY companies that make AR components (just lowers, or just uppers, or just furniture) that it would be almost impossible to keep track of. honestly it seems like every day i go to the range i see another AR component from a company i never heard of the week before. i often joke that I am the onlyperson not making an AR clone these days.

    obin

    "We're society's crowbar. They hate us, they never want to acknowledge the dirty jobs they give us to do, but when the job is done they never throw us away - they just slip us back in the toolbox until they need us the next time. And there will always be a next time."-Jim Hooper. Beneath the Visiting Moon: Images of Combat in Southern Africa

  32. 12-23-2007 10:16 AM #32
    Quote, originally posted by 00boraslow »
    i really want one

    Better get one soon before a new AWB, when the dems take over.


  33. 12-23-2007 08:36 PM #33
    Thanks for posting this up. I've been trying to do research on them myself so that I can purchase the right one for me and now I've got a great place to start. I'm leaning towards the RRA as I've had good experiences with them.

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    12-23-2007 08:57 PM #34
    Quote, originally posted by vincentobrien »
    Thanks for posting this up. I've been trying to do research on them myself so that I can purchase the right one for me and now I've got a great place to start. I'm leaning towards the RRA as I've had good experiences with them.

    no problem! i'm glad you can make some practical use out of it.

    obin

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    12-23-2007 09:28 PM #35
    The RRA is a great weapon for the money. I have two of them and they perform great.




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