Yes, another VR6-T

[eric@vr6dynos.com]

You could probably wire it up somehow so that it didn't have to plug in.

You can't find wiring diagrams for both ecus and make sure the pins are the same?

[Norwegian-VR6]

hmm. I guess its possible to find a diagram.
But I hope that C2 have some inputs on that matter.

[VR6rocks]

I have the wiring diagram for the US ecu. I'll post it later tonight. Couldn't find yet the Euro diagram.

[Norwegian-VR6]

The strange thing, is that a buddy of mine have a 96 mk3 2.9 VR6 Syncro that run the Kinetic stage 3, have the old C2 software.
We have the exact same ECU number. 021 906 256
And he just ordred the kit from Kinetic 15 months ago.
The car runs pretty smooth.........

[VR6rocks]

US ecu wiring diagram (courtesy of Patatron)

Modified by VR6rocks at 9:01 PM 6-4-2007

[Norwegian-VR6]

Ok...
I removed the pins, and the car "still stock" started perfect with the new C2 ECU. Idle and up to 2000 rpm was perfect.
So the kit is going on today. Hopefully start up, tommorow or friday.
Pics will come.

[Norwegian-VR6]

Some parts lined before we started:

Front off:

Manifold off:

Head off, ready for cleaning:

C2 Motorsport 8.5:1 headspacer fitted:

Regapping off plugs. 0.024

Putting the turbo togheter:

Turbo kit and exhaust... 3"DP and C2 3" OAP:

[Norwegian-VR6]

Got the head on with ARP's before we said good night.
More pics to come tommorow. So far, everything is pretty bolt on.

[Vdubsolo]

looking good..

You might want to put the manifold on with out the turbo..Im not sure but with the t4 you might have a hard time getting the manifold bolts tightend down..but then again you might not..when your in there you will understand..GL!

[Norwegian-VR6]

Yes, I figured that out after awhile. It is abit tight down there. The manifold is off, and we are looking into it tommorow. Think the 3" DP is gonna fit damn tight down there. We used 70 lbs/ft on the final turn with the ARP's.. Is that correct?

[Norwegian-VR6]

OK A problem!!!
When timing the chain, we got a problem! The chain was VERY tight! The VW-Tech said it was because 8,5:1 spacer being so high...
I do NOT belive this is gonna fit/start with the chain so tight? I could NOT move it ONE inch.....

[Norwegian-VR6]

We tried a VR5 tensioner, and the chain was fine......
We are NOT gonna start or even try this engine before I know....
With the C2 8.5:1 spacer the timing should be ok?

[Jopn]

my timing was pretty damn tight too... and i think it is because of the spacer... and brand new chains have no stretch to them right away and will loosen up eventually... i started my car up and it runs fine (kind of, but it's not a chain issue)

[bluegrape]

I just finished the same exact job. it was a little snug but it runs perfect. I just put a identical kit on my car. let me know if you have any questions.

[Norwegian-VR6]

Thanx.. Really looking foreward. How was your intercooling fitting to the turbo? Did you need to make anything for your self, or did the intercooling pipe bolt right on?

[Norwegian-VR6]

More pics:

Have been running 21750 miles.......

Turbo on:

New oilpan on:

Tech's Corrado 2.9 VR6..

[bluegrape]

The intercooler plumbig took a little guess work, but the hardest part was the damn oil pan. stripped 2 little bolts and it slowed up the install. I removed alot of crap in my engine bay for cleaning and it made mocking up the IC pipes alot easier.

[Norwegian-VR6]

I see. Your car is now running?
We are so lucky to have tools driven by air pressure. So the oilpan change was like 10 minutes But the 3" DP is damn tight Like proper tight DP was put on AFTER the Turbo/manni..

[bluegrape]

Broke a injector O-ring so its apart again. should be up and running by Saturday. Yeah no lift and no air tools makes it a PITA. but thats what 's are for right? I'll throw some pics up on here soon!

[Norwegian-VR6]

Looking foreward to the pics.
I have a goal for 350whp at 20 psi. Hope its doable.

Chris, Oslo.

[bluegrape]

haha yea , I will try to get them up Saturday. did you use a gasket in between the turbo/downpipe? I did not, and, dont know if I should have or what? My goal is to not blow up my trannie in the first 2 weeks of driving. i'm so used to driving a all motor car i'm going to have to learn to drive different. What spring are you using? i'm running the 9 pound for now. ~John

[Norwegian-VR6]

No gasket between turbo/downpipe. Spring is 6 psi, but I have a Kinetic manual boost conroler to fit. My tranny? I have a Peloquin and BFI stage 1 mounts all around. Should be ok .... For a while
Try to use the tranny carefully. A friend off mine just blow his 8000 USD tranny on his VR5 Turbo WITH AP gearset and Peloquin diff. The diff is ok, but the AP kit is not useable.

[UBER KUHL]

Quote, originally posted by Norwegian-VR6 »

Looking foreward to the pics. I have a goal for 350whp at 20 psi. Hope its doable. Chris, Oslo.

at 20psi with 42lb injectors you shuold be at 400whp or more. I've seen someone make 438whp at 20.5psi with the same fueling as you. Looking good.

[bluegrape]

Yeah I hear ya, I have a stock trannie with over 100K of hard all motor miles on it. I'm not expecting it too last too long before it needs a rebuild. I have a spare trannie, but, I kind of want to put the o2m gears in there. Still trying to make up my mind about which route to go. I heard about the problems with the AP gears. sounds like a bummer, seems alot of people are out alot of $$$$. Hopefully APT will do something to help their customers out.

[Norwegian-VR6]

To dyno the car, 20 PSI should be ok. But 15 PSI is what im gonna drive with.

[Norwegian-VR6]

ok,question. How do I connect the oilfeeding into the turbo?
This is what came in my kit, is it the 90 degree bend that I should screw into the turbo? Or do I miss a part?

[Norwegian-VR6]

BUMP! How does the oilfeeding fitting into the turbo look like?


Modified by Norwegian-VR6 at 11:59 PM 6-10-2007

[Norwegian-VR6]

MP! How does the oilfeeding fitting into the turbo look like?

[bluegrape]

I do not see the peice you need there? I was missing mine tow! its one of two fitting holding me up (the other I broke) its larger than the two silver ones which are too small ( i'm sure you figured this out) i'm going to try to make time to go get one in the next day or two ...so If i get a part number I will get it to you. PS-which oil sensor did you tap into for the oil send~Turbo line?

[Norwegian-VR6]

Havent decided wich sensor yet. Do think its the same?
I called Garrett Turbo off Norway, and Im gonna get the part. Took him 2 sec`s to find out off my problem
I think its looking like this:

[bluegrape]

yup thats the part i'm missing. would you have a part number by any chance?. glad you are making progress.

[Norwegian-VR6]

I found the part here:
http://images.google.no/imgres...a%3DN

[Norwegian-VR6]

OK Then....
First start today. And the car fired RIGHT up, NO ISSUES! No nothing!
The VW tech told me that he has never seen anything like it. It idles and drives like stock.
It was a wet road, and on 3rd gear i lost traction. I ran the stock spring in the Tial.. Red I guess 6 psi. With the ZR2 charger I had problems getting the car to LOOSE traction in first gear.
This is a very big day for me, and all thanx to YOU VWVortex guys and of course Chris and Jeff at C2. MAF is working also.

Im I one of the first in Europe to have a ECU swap like this?
Very first ignition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjsYkbNp41k

Second:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ePepHl1a-0

Once again, THANX!

Modified by Norwegian-VR6 at 2:14 AM 6-18-2007


Modified by Norwegian-VR6 at 2:15 AM 6-18-2007

[AlexiGTIVR6]

Glad to hear you have it running

[Norwegian-VR6]

Thanx. The idle is so smooth, and with a US ECU and all. I guess the diffrence is not that much. But I know Jeff has put some time and effort on it. Well, I have the big smile on my face because off him.
And Alexi: 0.024 gap, no missfire, no nothing. I was awaiting some issues of some kind. But no. Nothing. Car runs like stock.
2x6pack of to you all

Here a pic from a Kinetic stage 3 with a 60/1 Garrett Turbo:
A A4 paper does fit under there............

Modified by Norwegian-VR6 at 2:23 AM 6-18-2007


Modified by Norwegian-VR6 at 2:42 AM 6-18-2007