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    Thread: *** Official iPhone thread - PLEASE KEEP GENERAL IPHONE CHIT-CHAT IN THIS THREAD ***

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      06-24-2007 08:13 PM #26
      Verizon will also let you play Bejeweled on it for just $5/month. That's going to rock! Take that AT&T!
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      06-24-2007 09:30 PM #27
      Quote, originally posted by teriba »
      Because it's a dog slow connection?

      and you know how that will play out on the iphone based on??
      Point being, until youve tried it i dont see how you can pass judgement.

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      06-24-2007 09:51 PM #28
      Quote, originally posted by 16v »
      and you know how that will play out on the iphone based on??
      Point being, until youve tried it i dont see how you can pass judgement.

      because it is on a slow connection...
      Anyway, should be interesting to see the price plan set out for the iPhone and whether or not AT&T forces a data plan on the end user


      Modified by green tea at 6:53 PM 6-24-2007

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      06-24-2007 11:37 PM #29
      Quote, originally posted by green tea »
      because it is on a slow connection...

      Again, having not used this device how can you pass judgement on the user exprience??

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      06-25-2007 12:54 AM #30
      Quote, originally posted by green tea »
      Anyway, should be interesting to see the price plan set out for the iPhone and whether or not AT&T forces a data plan on the end user

      Oh, c'mon, of course they will, or at least they certainly will try. This is a profit-driven company answering to shareholders, after all.
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      06-25-2007 01:11 AM #31
      Quote, originally posted by DonL »
      This is a profit-driven company answering to shareholders, after all.

      So yeah people, go out and buy for my stake.

    7. 06-25-2007 01:44 AM #32
      I have some reservations about this phone. It's not 3G capable. How good is it at receiving over-the-air streaming video (not uploaded iTunes) ? If it's as easy to scratch as the iPod, then that's a little bit of a problem for me, especially with the $600 price tag. I'm also curious about the monthly service cost. I'll look into it once the hype goes down a bit BTW, what's the battery life on that thing and is it user-replaceable or forever sealed? So many questions, so few answers...so many dollars

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      06-25-2007 11:42 AM #33
      Quote, originally posted by QuackDuck »
      If it's as easy to scratch as the iPod, then that's a little bit of a problem for me, especially with the $600 price tag.
      BTW, what's the battery life on that thing and is it user-replaceable or forever sealed? So many questions, so few answers...so many dollars

      apparently it's going to made with optical glass, so less scratches, they say. we'll see, i guess.
      and battery life is said to be 8 hours of talk time, 6 hours of internet, and 7 of video playback.
      the battery is sealed, like the ipod.

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      06-25-2007 12:28 PM #34
      Quote, originally posted by DonL »
      Oh, c'mon, of course they will, or at least they certainly will try.

      way to sum up what i questioned chief

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      06-25-2007 09:53 PM #35
      Quote, originally posted by hugoaswho »
      I think once it's out for a week it'll be forgotten and the "cool" factor will fade....it's simply not in the same game changing sphere as the ipod was for music, the i phone doesn't do anything new as far as phones go...it's just a sleek looking pda.
      beh...

      multi-touchscreen
      wifi
      3X5" screen
      Hard drive
      How many of those things have previously been offered, simultaneously, in a phone?

    11. 06-26-2007 03:05 AM #36
      Quote, originally posted by lojasmo »
      multi-touchscreen
      wifi
      3X5" screen
      Hard drive
      How many of those things have previously been offered, simultaneously, in a phone?

      I'm in the HDD industry. In this case using an HDD instead of Flash memory will slow the unit down and decrease battery life. Also, when going from a cold environment into a warm room, condensation on HDD media may be a problem. HDDs are also adversely affected by high altitude. Something to consider when you fly. IMO, flash memory would have been a better choice for this application, but hard disk drives offer so much storage for so little $, I'm not surprised Apple went with a hard drive. With flash, this phone would probably cost about $1,000++.
      BTW, what's the difference between touch screen and multi touch screen


      Modified by QuackDuck at 12:06 AM 6-26-2007

    12. 06-26-2007 10:02 AM #37
      it doesn't use a HDD, it's 4 or 8 gigs of flash, just like the nano

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      06-26-2007 10:45 AM #38
      Here's an early review from the NYP:
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      June 26, 2007 -- TENS of thousands of people are expected to line up this Friday for themost hyped gadget of the decade - the iPhone.
      Don't be one of them.
      Oh, it's a technological marvel. But Apple's all-in-one handheld isn't the best cellphone - or even the best iPhone - that will be sold in the next year.
      The iPhone crams so many different features into its slightly bulky form that it can only excel at one, and compromise on the rest. After spending some time, albeit briefly, with the iPhone, it's clear to me that Internet and e-mail are the parts that suffered.
      The Web browser has fancy zoom and pan features that let you drag and pinch the screen with your fingers. The iPhone I tested performed those tasks well, and it's sexy to flick your digits instead of pressing too-tiny keys.
      But the reality is that the iPhone has a very small screen compared to even the tiniest laptop. You can't read much of an article on a Web page without panning back and forth across. This is true of word-processing, too; at a size comfortable enough to read, you can't see either the full length or width of a document.
      Apple CEO Steve Jobs was right when he said it's the best iPod the company has ever made. The screen quality is fantastic, and the movies pivot automatically as you rotate the phone.
      But it's not an iPod. It's a $500 or $600 communicator that requires a two-year calling commitment. Monthly charges haven't been announced, but judging by comparable offerings from AT&T and other carriers, it should run you at least $50 per month in voice service and $40 per month in data service. That adds more than $2,000 to the iPhone's price tag over two years even before buying music or movies!
      Consider also that Apple engineers already are hard at work on iPhone 2.0.
      Modern cell networks use third-generation (3G) standards that are five to 20 times faster than that in the iPhone. Jobs said the chips to make a 3G iPhone weren't available when they designed the iPhone; but they are now, and are in some competitors' less-featured but faster phones.
      It also skimps on storage. The $600 iPhone comes with 8 gigabytes of storage, enough for 2,000 songs or 16 episodes of "Heroes." A $250 video iPod can handle 7,500 songs or about 25 hours of movies.
      You can bet that iPhone 2.0, probably available within the next year, will be faster and have more storage - probably for the same price.
      Tech geeks and some business travelers will wait in line Friday (or pay someone else). You should wait for the next version.
      Glenn Fleishman writes a column called "Practical Macintosh" from his Seattle home.

      GSM vs GPRS/Edge data transfer rates are a known quantity, regardless of the actual device. GSM is simply slower. Doesn't matter if it's an iPhone or a Blackberry or any other device.
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      06-26-2007 11:37 AM #39
      Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Just not their own facts.

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      06-26-2007 12:22 PM #40
      Quote, originally posted by QuackDuck »
      I'm in the HDD industry. In this case using an HDD instead of Flash memory will slow the unit down and decrease battery life. Also, when going from a cold environment into a warm room, condensation on HDD media may be a problem. HDDs are also adversely affected by high altitude. Something to consider when you fly. IMO, flash memory would have been a better choice for this application, but hard disk drives offer so much storage for so little $, I'm not surprised Apple went with a hard drive. With flash, this phone would probably cost about $1,000++.

      Well, I guess it's flash...still, the point stands. NO OTHER PHONE has this combination of features.
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      BTW, what's the difference between touch screen and multi touch screen

      Multi touch screen allows for reorientation of the screen and zooming with the use of two fingers on the screen.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp-y3ZNaCqs



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      06-26-2007 12:46 PM #41
      Quote, originally posted by Seabird »
      Here's an early review from the NYP:

      What a lame review. They complain that the "internet and email suffer" but don't touch on them other than to say that the screen (the largest on any cell phone) is too small to read articles. Has this person ever tried to browse the web on any other phone? The reviewer failed to touch on the email comment at all, and doesn't even say how well it works as a phone.
      I'd like to see a real review and hope I don't have to wait until Friday to read one.

    17. 06-26-2007 12:54 PM #42
      Quote, originally posted by jerk »
      What a lame review. They complain that the "internet and email suffer" but don't touch on them other than to say that the screen (the largest on any cell phone) is too small to read articles. Has this person ever tried to browse the web on any other phone? The reviewer failed to touch on the email comment at all, and doesn't even say how well it works as a phone.
      I'd like to see a real review and hope I don't have to wait until Friday to read one.

      Yeah, he compared it to laptops rather than to another cell phone.

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      06-26-2007 12:59 PM #43
      Well keep in mind that the New York Post is one of the worst newspapers anywhere.


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      06-26-2007 01:10 PM #44
      Good GAWD, I just read AT&T's press release re/pricing!
      http://www.transworldnews.com/....aspx
      "starting at just $59.99 per month."
      iPhone Pricing:
      $499 for 4gb iPhone
      $599 for 8gb iPhone
      Activation Fee:
      $36 per phone
      6 Individual Plans:
      $59.99 for 450 minutes
      $79.99 for 900 minutes
      $99.99 for 1,350 minutes
      $119.99 for 2,000 minutes
      $169.99 for 4,000 minutes
      $219.99 for 6,000 minutes
      6 Family Plans: (plus $29.99 per line)
      $80 for 700 minutes
      $100 for 1,400 minutes
      $120 for 2,100 minutes
      $160 for 3,000 minutes
      $210 for 4,000 minutes
      $310 for 6,000 minutes
      iPhone Unlimited Data Plan for Current Subscribers: (keep your current voice plan)
      $20 plus 200 SMS
      $30 plus 1,500 SMS
      $40 plus Unlimited SMS
      Features: (included on ALL plans)
      Unlimited data
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      200 SMS text messages (more SMS text messages can be added to any plan)
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      Unlimited mobile-to-mobile calling
      Unlimited Night & Weekend minutes on all plans except for 450 minute plan (5,000 Night & Weekend minutes)


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      06-26-2007 01:18 PM #45
      That's not bad considering that's the price of JUST a data plan on Verizon (I know, Verizon's network is faster [for now].)

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      06-26-2007 03:10 PM #46
      that isn't too bad considering unlimited data + voice is $59.99. NO 3G though

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      06-26-2007 05:17 PM #47
      Quote, originally posted by Seabird »
      Here's an early review from the NYP:
      .

      So, I'm seeing this review make two points...
      - It can't browse the internet as well as a full-featured computer.
      Well, yeah, it's a cell phone.
      - If you wait, you can get a better one.
      When has this not been true about any sort of computing technology? Hey, if you didn't buy that Mac IIci in 1990, you could get a nice Mac Pro and a 30" screen for the same money!
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    23. 06-26-2007 05:26 PM #48
      The pricing on the plans is a nice surprise. $60/month with unlimited data really isn't that bad. I'm much more interested in an iPhone now.

    24. 06-26-2007 09:24 PM #49
      *No MMS
      * The mobile version of OS X or whatever it is the iPhone runs takes up 700MB of the device's capacity. Damn son!
      * There's no way to cut, copy, or paste text! WHOA! Big, big mistake.
      * No A2DP support. That, friends, is such a huge bummer right there.
      * Sorry, music can't be used as a ringtone -- even if it's just a raw MP3. No additional ringtones will be sold at launch.
      * On a PC the iPhone syncs with Outlook for calendars AND addresses! Noice.
      * It supports Exchange in some capacity, according to Walt, but he doesn't exactly say how.
      * Pogue again confirms document file reading -- but not editing -- for PDF, Word, and Excel (only).
      * Adobe Flash support is officially out. It's just not in the browser. Neither is there any other kind of embedded video support. Sorry everybody, that's that.
      * It will take snaps, but won't record video. How can Apple love YouTube as much as it does and not realize cellphone-shot movies make up a sizeable chunk of the crazy crap you find on there?
      *And that EDGE data? Pogue found himself longing for the days of dial-up, while waiting 1-2 minutes for popular sites to load, and while WiFi was quick to save the day in many instances, that's hardly an excuse in the year 2007

      A phone built around a music player made by the largest name in MP3 players and u cant even set one of your precious iTunes song as your ringtone? Seriously? Looks like AT&T had Apple by the balls during negotiations.
      And the thing cost $500-$600 lol
      It was already behind the day it was announced, pathetic.

      http://www.engadget.com/2007/0...views/
      http://www.engadget.com/2007/0...e-out/



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      06-26-2007 10:05 PM #50
      I think that basically when you hype something up like this it will always fall short of expectations. Will this be the game changing device like Apple says it will? yes. Will it do everything perfectly and just the way everyone wants it? heck no.
      I'm not getting it, simply because I can't afford to waste money like this since I already have a 80gb ipod and a nice cell phone. But people who get it Im sure will be happy with it.
      Again, if you want something that's going to be perfect you will never be satisfied because all electronic devices are made to be high tech AND affordable. Some things you can put in that are cheap and should have been there like MMS and copy and paste etc. But others like Edge, editing MS Office etc. are not so easy and affordable.
      So iPhone is a compromise between high cost and practicality, it does nothing especially well, but it's an attractive device and is very appealing to people who like to show off and like Apple stuff.

      The biggest problem is ATT which came up with an exclusive plan for the iphone which alienates all their current customers who dontget unlimited data and pay far higher plan costs. This is a huge boondoggle because now people are going to be pissed off, I have a great Samsung phone that does everything iphone does and does it better and I dont get the unlimited data. This is a real bad move on ATT part when they dont make the plans standard accross the spectrum and piss off their regular customer who are stuck paying more.
      ATT+APPLE=scumbags.



      Modified by hugoaswho at 6:21 AM 6-27-2007

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