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    Thread: *** Official iPhone thread - PLEASE KEEP GENERAL IPHONE CHIT-CHAT IN THIS THREAD ***

    1. 06-26-2007 10:09 PM #51
      The Wii was overhyped and delivered on all fronts, so it is possible to do it right.

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      06-27-2007 12:56 AM #52
      Voice what? Voicemail? What kind of voice minutes do you get with Sprint for $30, including unlimited data that it.?.?

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      06-27-2007 01:17 AM #53
      "Then there’s the Internet problem. When you’re in a Wi-Fi hot spot, going online is fast and satisfying.
      But otherwise, you have to use AT&T’s ancient EDGE cellular network, which is excruciatingly slow. The New York Times’s home page takes 55 seconds to appear; Amazon.com, 100 seconds; Yahoo. two minutes. You almost ache for a dial-up modem."
      Based on that review alone, I'll pass and wait for a 2nd gen model that is 3G equipped....I'm sure the price will come down by then as well.

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      06-27-2007 01:45 AM #54
      That's one review, I've read several others that do say there are some shortcomings, but overall it's a huge leap in the UI department and in the way it does email and the web. I want one, but I'm stuck on Verizon right now. We'll see what Apple can do with software updates, it could be interesting.

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      06-27-2007 01:52 AM #55
      Quote, originally posted by Texan_Brandon »
      The Wii was overhyped and delivered on all fronts, so it is possible to do it right.

      Except for games.
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      06-27-2007 09:00 AM #56
      Quote, originally posted by Texan_Brandon »
      The Wii was over hyped and delivered on all fronts, so it is possible to do it right.

      The Wii is 4 year old technology that utilizes and simple gimmicky controller. It has nothing complicated about it. Nintendo is known for simple fun games.
      Comparing it to iPhone is like comparing the Vw Beetle to Prius.

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      06-27-2007 09:24 AM #58
      Quote, originally posted by Shawn O »
      "Then there’s the Internet problem. When you’re in a Wi-Fi hot spot, going online is fast and satisfying.
      But otherwise, you have to use AT&T’s ancient EDGE cellular network, which is excruciatingly slow. The New York Times’s home page takes 55 seconds to appear; Amazon.com, 100 seconds; Yahoo. two minutes. You almost ache for a dial-up modem."
      Based on that review alone, I'll pass and wait for a 2nd gen model that is 3G equipped....I'm sure the price will come down by then as well.

      So it does use EDGE? Interesting... I don't find it all that slow myself on my Blackberry 8700. Faster that GPRS. It never takes me that long to download a webpage. I'm not very impressed with the iPhone for myself and my needs (too many compromises IMO), but there's something rotten about that comment.
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      06-27-2007 11:05 AM #59
      GPRS IS Edge. Edge is Cingular/ATT's name for their GPRS network.

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      06-27-2007 11:09 AM #60
      I agree with the statement that the phone is a revolutionary way in thinking about a smartphone and goes beyond what is out there.
      Unfortunately, the implementation of it seems to be lacking. Its great that you have this wonderful screen and new UI, but then they leave out the basic things like being able to search a phonebook or use MMS.
      Its like Apple thought too much about what it could be and what they could make it and then forgot about what it still should be now.
      Its a lot like Aperture. It revolutionized the way photogs thought about an editing and browsing program, yet the first version was a steaming pile of poo in its implementation as Apple left out some of the more basic things people wanted. Versions since have been better.
      Its going to be the same with this. Apple thought too much about revolutionizing things and failed to do the basics right at the same time. I'm sure version 2.0 will be leaps and bounds better.

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      06-27-2007 11:15 AM #61
      Quote, originally posted by .:RDriver »
      GPRS IS Edge. Edge is Cingular/ATT's name for their GPRS network.

      That is not my understanding.
      http://www.techweb.com/encyclo...=EDGE
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      06-27-2007 11:53 AM #62
      I read in an article that you activate the iPhone with your PC at home.
      So that means that I can walk out of an AT&T store with an iPhone and no contract tied to it?
      eBay is going to explode, me thinks.
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    13. 06-27-2007 01:33 PM #63
      gprs is not EDGE, and it would be hard for it to be ATT's name for it since t-mobile uses EDGE as well
      GPRS is the original packet radio system for data and tops out at 56k
      EDGE is much newer and runs around 128k


      Modified by tmerc at 11:36 AM 6-27-2007

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      06-27-2007 02:40 PM #64
      Quote, originally posted by tmerc »
      gprs is not EDGE, and it would be hard for it to be ATT's name for it since t-mobile uses EDGE as well
      GPRS is the original packet radio system for data and tops out at 56k
      EDGE is much newer and runs around 128k

      Yes, that it my understanding as well.
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    15. 06-27-2007 03:05 PM #65
      Ok i know you guys are tired of hearing about the iphone (i work for at&t so its more annoying on this side, when i found out our %40 discount doesn't work on this phone OR its plans). So what is the best iphone alternative?
      The features that i like the most are...
      Touch Screen - I think its neat and fast, i don't like styluses....but navigation through keys are cool also...
      2.0 megapixel camera - i currently have the w810i so i don't want to go lower then 2.0 megapixel
      music - something that places music very good (good interface)
      Wifi - This is probably the biggest thing...because i would love to browse the net downstairs or in my car without paying for fees.
      Video Playback - I would like multiple file support but i could work something out
      storage size - large starter size or way to expand space
      and the price has to be lower then the iphone (i looked in the nokia n95 but $700+ is to much).
      Thanks in advance...



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    16. 06-27-2007 03:20 PM #66
      Quote, originally posted by Shawn O »
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      But otherwise, you have to use AT&T’s ancient EDGE cellular network, which is excruciatingly slow. The New York Times’s home page takes 55 seconds to appear.

      I just got the BB curve for At&t and it takes nytimes.com only 16 seconds to load for me.

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      06-27-2007 03:34 PM #67
      Quote, originally posted by FiReToY »
      Ok i know you guys are tired of hearing about the iphone (i work for at&t so its more annoying on this side, when i found out our %40 discount doesn't work on this phone OR its plans). So what is the best iphone alternative?
      <snip>

      You work there, you don't know?
      Blackjack. No touchscreen tho. Otherwise, some non-branded HTC device (but you're looking for a discount .. ). 3G data speeds too.
      I think you can pick up a BJ for like $79 with the corp FAN right now.

      ... back on the iphone ... waiting for rev.2 personally, but it's a damn nice device otherwise.

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      06-27-2007 04:02 PM #68
      What the iPhone Doesn't Have
      * Songs as Ringtones
      * Games
      * Any flash support
      * Instant Messaging
      * Picture messages (MMS)
      * Video recording
      * Voice recognition or voice dialing
      * Wireless Bluetooth Stereo Streaming (A2DP)
      * One-size-fits-all headset jack (May have to buy an adapter for certain headphones)
      Stuff we already knew it didn't have
      * 3G (EV-DO/HSDPA)
      * GPS
      * A real keyboard
      * Removable battery
      * Expandable Storage
      * Direct iTunes Music Store Access (Over Wi-Fi or EDGE)
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      06-27-2007 05:03 PM #69
      Quote, originally posted by Seabird &raquo;
      That is not my understanding.
      http://www.techweb.com/encyclo...=EDGE

      Nope, you're right. I forgot that there was a difference as my phone shows the GPRS logo even when on the EDGE network. I always in my mind just equated it to the slower of the two systems (3G vs. EDGE/GPRS) and lumped them together.
      My mistake.

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      06-27-2007 05:58 PM #70
      Quote, originally posted by Kar98 &raquo;
      What the iPhone Doesn't Have
      * Songs as Ringtones
      * Games
      * Any flash support
      * Instant Messaging
      * Picture messages (MMS)
      * Video recording
      * Voice recognition or voice dialing
      * Wireless Bluetooth Stereo Streaming (A2DP)
      * One-size-fits-all headset jack (May have to buy an adapter for certain headphones)
      Stuff we already knew it didn't have
      * 3G (EV-DO/HSDPA)
      * GPS
      * A real keyboard
      * Removable battery
      * Expandable Storage
      * Direct iTunes Music Store Access (Over Wi-Fi or EDGE)
      WSJ Review
      NYT Review
      USAToday
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      While hardly concrete info, on Digg they have an article about iTunes 7.3 having a ringtone feature, as well as another stating that an Apple engineer was heard saying that the "iPhone application story is not over" and that "3rd party cocoa apps for the iPhone were coming soon" so that very well could address alot of the initial shortcomings to the iPhone.
      Here's to hoping! [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      06-27-2007 07:03 PM #71
      I think people are making a big deal over the mp3/ringtone issue when there's not clear info on how it works. *My* assumption is that the phone portion of the iPhone can't directly access the iTunes library and ringtones have to be in a designated directory/area on the phone. I don't know that it'll play protected mp3/acc files, but I'm sure that they wouldn't make it impossible to use an mp3 as a ringtone.

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      06-27-2007 07:25 PM #72
      You'll be able to convert songs to ringtones via an iTunes update for $0.99 each.
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      06-27-2007 07:41 PM #73
      I'm guessing that this is just for protected AACs purchased from the iTMS? While that sucks, it's sure a lot cheaper than other carriers charge for ringtones. I can't imagine all ringtones must come from the iTunes Music Store.


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    24. 06-27-2007 07:41 PM #74
      Quote, originally posted by SchrickVR6 &raquo;
      You'll be able to convert songs to ringtones via an iTunes update for $0.99 each.

      Forget that...
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    25. 06-27-2007 10:07 PM #75
      Quote, originally posted by SchrickVR6 &raquo;
      You'll be able to convert songs to ringtones via an iTunes update for $0.99 each.

      This is still a rumor from what I understand, unless there is a link? I am wrong most of the time though.

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