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[chair]

sent a text message. describing the situation. gave him a day to reply... if nothng then i will call redmond police tomorrow.


Modified by chair at 5:48 PM 7-27-2007

[81turbocaddy]

This thread and others like it started out half and half with supporters and unsatisfied customers.

To the supporters- any updates?
Is Pat still shipping MS units?

[chair]

not too many supporters any more!!!

[Pats16vGTI]

seriously I want my money

here is my contact info:

Patrick Doody
17longwood dr
sicklerville, NJ 08081
609-280-0906

Jan. 22, 2007 - Payment To patrick kirwan Completed -$114.99 USD
Jan. 22, 2007 - Payment To patrick kirwan Completed -$521.99 USD

Qty Item Options Price
1 Megasquirt Assembled ECU System For 8V, 16V, and 1.8T 20V Volkswagen Running Distributorless Ignition $429.00 USD
1 Open element air temperature sender $28.00 USD
1 Closed element air or water temperature sender $22.00 USD
1 USB to serial adapter $24.00 USD
1 Tuning cable $8.00 USD
Amount $511.00 USD

Qty Item Options Price
1 3bar map sensor and 034wastespark coil $104.00 USD

[Mange3586]

Theres always money...its called substitution. I wouldnt mind having a bagged rabbit...

[antichristonwheels]

Did you see his #1 punk was in the Scirocco forum voicing his unhappyness at sending money to someone else and getting nuthin in return.

[VWralley]

#1 punk? this is the kinda crap i get for tryin to help you guys get in contact with pat? wow, thanks for the appreciation

how am i a punk or ballswinger or any of that by simply telling you guys what i know? he is a friend of mine, of course im going to try and save his name...

and seriously dude, you were offered many times a resolution and you chose to take a different route. I saw the emails, i saw how your whole transaction went down. now you feel obligated to try an bash pat and his friends for something that has been long since handled at this point. really, you should find something better to do with your time

[chair]

i appreciate vw ralley

[81turbocaddy]

I think most people respect a man for supporting his friend.

So Ralley, is Pat still building and shipping?

[chair]

he sent me an email...and told me 2 weeks! said he would give me a tracking # ! hopefully he stays to this.

[Pats16vGTI]

ill believe it when I see it. he told me it would take 2 weeks 7 months ago.

[antichristonwheels]

I was never offerred nuthin. I was given excuse after excuse for months. I had to hunt Pat down and only by exposure in these forums was I able to finally get most of my money back. There was no transaction. It was all deception, keeping money, and staying unavailable. You saw it go down? Please share with us what was good about it... Maybe you should help convince Pat to get a freekin real job so he can pay his way out of this. You keep standing up for guy like him and you expect respect? You spew BS and expect respect? You get ripped off yourself. Tell us how great it was.


Modified by antichristonwheels at 7:25 PM 7-27-2007

[mk1alexander]

Day before i sent Pat the money he said "send the money to me and Ill have your unit and parts out in 2 weeks... that was march 15th .... still havn't heard from him... i wouldnt have as much of a problem if he was just like you will get it in 4 months ... so at least i can have a date to expect it.. but as of now i dont know if its going to be tomorrow 2 weeks 2 months or never

[Mange3586]

If he is taking new orders still and you havent recieved yours i would assume its never... I mean hey **** happens who cares if someone across the state lost 600 bucks. Right? Its time for that call to redwood troopers, becuase at this point i dont care if he loses his house. This guy is a pos.

[Mange3586]

http://www.ci.sammamish.wa.us/LawEnforcement.aspx

[Pats16vGTI]

Quote, originally posted by Mange3586 »

If he is taking new orders still and you havent recieved yours i would assume its never... I mean hey **** happens who cares if someone across the state lost 600 bucks. Right? Its time for that call to redwood troopers, becuase at this point i dont care if he loses his house. This guy is a pos.

i hear that. i bet if I lived in Washington or somewhere close I would have had the thing in the 2 weeks he promised me back in January. Because I would have went to his house and rung his neck by now.

[rek]

Has anybody with problems contacted Bowling and Grippo (msefi.com)? They usually take this kind of thing pretty seriously. They may not be able to help with refunds but they can stop him from scewing anybody else.

[Mange3586]

If i were in washington i would have mine and everyone elses...

[antichristonwheels]

this is the FBI Internet Fraud site. Why don't we all file here at once? This might get the ball rolling:

http://www.ic3.gov/

[81turbocaddy]

VWralley, can you shed some light on the situation?

If Pat is still building and shipping, the lynch mob would like to know.

Seriously, updating Pat's current status would probably help.
For example, how many orders are pending, how many is Pat getting done per week, etc., would give these guys an approximate time frame.
Pat's method of saying "2 weeks" and dragging it out for 6 months with limited communication has caused this problem.

Maybe he has built and shipped 200 units and only missing say 10 or 20.. Some kind of feedback would help.

If you know something, let the people know before the sheriff's office gets involved.
And yes, I know it's not your responsibilty; Pat should address this.
But you have been more helpful in the past...

[sdezego]

Quote, originally posted by rek »

Has anybody with problems contacted Bowling and Grippo (msefi.com)? They usually take this kind of thing pretty seriously. They may not be able to help with refunds but they can stop him from scewing anybody else.

What could they possibly do? He wasn't or ever was (to my knowledge) listed as a valid reseller of MS on MSEFI.com. He was just buying the parts from the BOM as anyone building their own would and assembled them (again to the best of my knowledge). Who knows where he was getting the PCB's from. Even if he was a valid reseller, what could B & G do? Revoke the ability to buy the PCBs directly? You could always buy them from a reseller.

This same sort of story happened with one of the valid B& G resellers years back (not sure it ever made it to this extent). Again, there is no legal recourse that B&G can or would do other than revoke the ability to buy and resell the PCBs (to my knowledge).

This is a matter of someone promoting themselves as a reputable business, promising parts or services, taking A LOT of people's money and not returning said products/services. This is business Fraud. Over the internet, it is Internet fraud and is a Federal crime (regardless of $ amount).

I don't know Pat at all, but he seemed like an OK guy from former posts/threads, but this is unacceptable. Even worse, was the statement made "...the money is not there to refund..."

If you consider just 5 people @ $500 (as an estimate), that is $2,500! From what has been posted here, there are a lot more and more money involved. I can't even comprehend and I really feel for the people involved...

Shawn

[Pats16vGTI]

I had contacted bowling grippo about it and never got a response... and as of lately I only see negative threads about this guy. people used to swing from his nuts... I hope they all got over that trend. I don't want to admit it but it looks like we all lost our money... I am probably actually going to be more mad if someone who placed an order after me got their ecu's before me... I mean it doesn't take 7 months to solder and mail out a megasquirt.

[Fox-N-It]

Quote, originally posted by sdezego »

Even if he was a valid reseller, what could B & G do? Revoke the ability to buy the PCBs directly? You could always buy them from a reseller.

You now must buy them from a reseller. B&G no longer deal directly with customers.

[89wolfsburg]

Quote, originally posted by Pats16vGTI »

I am my own patsy who wants his money back I am not speaking for anyone but my self. and hopefully steering some potential victims from this guy

well, I am glad I saw this thread, and I was thinking of doing a megasquirt conversion this winter. With Pats (old)reputation on here, I thought this would be the best way to go, but now I know to go elsewhere.

I hope you guys can get a resolution(or at least some sort of communication) to this situation.

If the FBI get involved, I think he will have lots of time on his hands to do the soldering in an 8X8 room.

[ValveCoverGasket]

he was at waterwagens today.

i was suprised he wasnt being beat down by a throng of angry customers...

[Mange3586]

I assume spending our money on new **** for his cars. Must be real worried about getting things done and shipped out.

[Rabbitoncrack]

All respect to VWRalley for trying to help, he shouldn't be taking the heat for this, but reading through this thread, it's a serious bitch move that Pat won't even talk to you all or show his face around here and explain things. Ralley shouldn't even be in this position, having to explain why Pat refuses to do things the right way. Grow a set of balls, Pat, and deal with the mess you've created. Stop hiding like a 4 year old girl. My smypathy to all those dealing with this, I'd be raising some serious hell if I was in your situation. I just still can't believe he's not man enough to take ownership of the situation and that he'd allow people who are his friends, people trying to protect his name, take the brunt of the storm he wholeheartedly earned for himself.

[VWralley]

Quote, originally posted by 81turbocaddy »

VWralley, can you shed some light on the situation?

Here is what i do know. yes, pat is still building and shipping ecu's. pretty much everytime i talk to him, he has shipped out a few ecu's at least and is usually waiting on parts if he hasnt...his living room has been converted to a ms sweatshop occupied still by only him.

due to the show this weekend i was not able to have him sit down and get some info layed out for me to tell you guys...chair contacted me last week and asked for some help, threatening legal action..i politely asked him to refrain until through the weekend and he agree'd. (much appreciated!) aparently now he has been contacted by pat. I intend to talk with him a few times today to see what can be done.

Everyone who has sent me an IM and kept a respectable tone throughout this, i have your info written down, and i am trying to see if pat will get me some updates to tell you guys. i know i have said that before, but i think now is a bit more crucial as it has been far too long in most cases, and im really hoping pat will want to help clear the air here.

im not tryin to make excuses for pat, i benefit in no way from typing all this out for you guys or taking the time to recieve all the IM's and keep your info and all that. if you want to call me names and such, you can f right the hell off, cause all im doing is tryin to ease your minds and pass along information


Modified by VWralley at 8:57 AM 7-30-2007

[Mange3586]

A respectable tone? Im sorry but i dont care how anyones tone was. When someone gives you money for a product you get it even if they never say a good thing about you.

[VWralley]

Quote, originally posted by Mange3586 »

A respectable tone? Im sorry but i dont care how anyones tone was. When someone gives you money for a product you get it even if they never say a good thing about you.

you can take any tone you want with pat. just dont direct it at me. this thread isnt directly to him its on a public forum. there is no need to bad mouth and call names. thats just immature and will not get you anywhere fast

[OnTheRunDCI]

Quote, originally posted by VWralley »

Here is what i do know. yes, pat is still building and shipping ecu's. pretty much everytime i talk to him, he has shipped out a few ecu's at least and is usually waiting on parts if he hasnt...his living room has been converted to a ms sweatshop occupied still by only him. due to the show this weekend i was not able to have him sit down and get some info layed out for me to tell you guys...chair contacted me last week and asked for some help, threatening legal action..i politely asked him to refrain until through the weekend and he agree'd. (much appreciated!) aparently now he has been contacted by pat. I intend to talk with him a few times today to see what can be done. Everyone who has sent me an IM and kept a respectable tone throughout this, i have your info written down, and i am trying to see if pat will get me some updates to tell you guys. i know i have said that before, but i think now is a bit more crucial as it has been far too long in most cases, and im really hoping pat will want to help clear the air here. im not tryin to make excuses for pat, i benefit in no way from typing all this out for you guys or taking the time to recieve all the IM's and keep your info and all that. if you want to call me names and such, you can f right the hell off, cause all im doing is tryin to ease your minds and pass along information Modified by VWralley at 8:57 AM 7-30-2007

My question is why are YOU doing this and not Pat??? Seems like he should be lying in the bed he made not you.

[antichristonwheels]

If you want to play "Complaint Department of Patatron Inc" you need to suck it up. I would expect things including "tone" to get worse as time progresses. If you can't hack it, get your jacket...

[VWralley]

Quote, originally posted by OnTheRunDCI »

My question is why are YOU doing this and not Pat??? Seems like he should be lying in the bed he made not you.

honestly i just want to try and help you guys that are waiting to get your chit. seriously thats it. for some reason he refuses to post up again or anything so im just doing what little i can to move things along...

Quote, originally posted by antichristonwheels »

If you want to play "Complaint Department of Patatron Inc" you need to suck it up. I would expect things including "tone" to get worse as time progresses. If you can't hack it, get your jacket...

im not playing anything, just attempting to get people updates on their orders and keep pat locked away building ecu's all day

[Mange3586]

I never called you any names... I think there is just a big confusion here as to what is supposed to happen when you call yourself a business. Thanks for the support though, maybe if we all call the police on pat something will get done.

[gdoggmoney]

Quote, originally posted by Mange3586 »

I never called you any names... I think there is just a big confusion here as to what is supposed to happen when you call yourself a business. Thanks for the support though, maybe if we all call the police on pat something will get done.