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    Thread: No such thing as 4 wheel alignment for our cars???

    1. 08-04-2007 01:18 PM #1
      I just got my GLI aligned yesterday at firestone (the same shop that the dealership sends cars out to for alignments). I payed 69.99 for a 4 wheel alignment. I noticed that on the alignment spec sheet they showed me that only the front two wheels had parameters. The guy told me that there is no rear wheel adjustment for our cars so I paid the one size fits all price and there was no way he could only charge me for a two wheel alignment.

      Oh, and my caster angle was off but they guy said there is no adjustment of that on our cars. Any reason for this? No huge potholes hit, no crubs hit, and the car only has 12k miles.


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      08-04-2007 02:04 PM #2
      Quote, originally posted by michdmb »
      I just got my GLI aligned yesterday at firestone (the same shop that the dealership sends cars out to for alignments). I payed 69.99 for a 4 wheel alignment. I noticed that on the alignment spec sheet they showed me that only the front two wheels had parameters. The guy told me that there is no rear wheel adjustment for our cars so I paid the one size fits all price and there was no way he could only charge me for a two wheel alignment.

      Oh, and my caster angle was off but they guy said there is no adjustment of that on our cars. Any reason for this? No huge potholes hit, no crubs hit, and the car only has 12k miles.

      There's a 4 wheel alignment at least for the MKV GTI...


    3. 08-04-2007 02:10 PM #3
      The guy says the car has a solid rear axle therefore no alignment is possible. If there IS a way to align the rear, I am gonna make these guys do what I paid for the right way AND suggest that my dealer do a little research into the places they send their alignment business to. The dealer makes a $30 profit on this service so I just took it myself.

    4. 08-04-2007 02:14 PM #4
      i just had a 4 wheel alignment done at Firestone in CT. It def. can be done. Just like doing any other car..dont know what that firestone was thinking....

    5. 08-04-2007 02:22 PM #5
      The car does not have a solid rear axle.

      ALIGNMENT SPECS:

      Front:
      Camber: -30' +/- 30' (US) -44' +/- 30' (Euro)
      Toe Out (at left and right lock) : 1deg 38' (US) 1deg 22' (Euro)
      Caster: 7deg 34' (US) 7deg 47 (Euro)
      Ride Height: 382mm +/- 7mm (US) 360 +/- 7mm (Euro)
      Rear:
      Camber 1deg 20' (US) 1deg 45' (Euro)


      Modified by Arin at 1:25 PM 8-4-2007


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    6. 08-04-2007 03:02 PM #6
      Quote, originally posted by Arin »
      The car does not have a solid rear axle.

      x2


    7. 08-04-2007 03:07 PM #7
      10 bucks says he looked up the specs for the 06 GOLF, which was the MKIV and did have the solid rear.

    8. 08-04-2007 03:07 PM #8
      Yep, the tech thought he knew what he was talking about. All VW's minus the original beetle had solid axles that did not offer or could take 4 wheel alignment. The tech just assumed that your MKV had a solid rear. Why he didn't notice the IRS when it was up in the air is beond me.

    9. 08-04-2007 03:08 PM #9
      Any Volkswagen can technically have a 4 Wheel Alignment done. On the Solid Axles on the A3 and A4 Body Style Jetta's and Golf's you can use camber plates to adjust camber on the rear. If there were any toe issues you needed a new Axle

      VAG cars don't have caster adjustments, I knew the answer to that along time ago don't remember right now and I don't want to say something and it turns out to be wrong and than I'll get slaughtered on this thread

      But only touaregs and phaeton's can get a true 4wheel alignment done


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      08-04-2007 03:30 PM #10
      3 different suspensions 30K later..no alignment done yet

    11. 08-04-2007 03:36 PM #11
      Just talked to the guy at Firestone. He says that there are no adjustment points on the rear of the car. I told him I wanted to bring the car in along with a copy of this thread to clarify. Are the diagrams above going to show him enough to get it done right? thanks again,

      Mike

      Edit: I also mentioned to him that I noticed an '06 GLI was specified on my summary sheet. I doubt it, but could that be part of the reason they were did not do the rear?


      Modified by michdmb at 11:48 AM 8-4-2007


    12. 08-04-2007 03:37 PM #12
      Quote, originally posted by nastybags »
      3 different suspensions 30K later..no alignment done yet

      Nice

      Replacement my suspension on my '02 TDi two times and still no alignment needed, car is at 67k


    13. 08-04-2007 05:25 PM #13
      alignments are for pu55ies

    14. 08-04-2007 07:40 PM #14
      Quote, originally posted by windsorvr »
      alignments are for pu55ies

      Remember the last time you got laid? Ohhh, no you didnt??!???!!?? You were too busy rotating your silly wheels on your silly miss aligned garbagecocck shuttle.


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      08-04-2007 07:58 PM #15
      Quote, originally posted by michdmb »
      Just talked to the guy at Firestone. He says that there are no adjustment points on the rear of the car. I told him I wanted to bring the car in along with a copy of this thread to clarify. Are the diagrams above going to show him enough to get it done right? thanks again,

      Mike

      Edit: I also mentioned to him that I noticed an '06 GLI was specified on my summary sheet. I doubt it, but could that be part of the reason they were did not do the rear?


      Modified by michdmb at 11:48 AM 8-4-2007

      Show him that diagram.

      When I had mine aligned they did all four wheels, but they still couldn't get the rears within camber spec as the car was too low. No big deal.

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    16. 08-04-2007 08:25 PM #16
      The Mk V GTI (and I assume GLI) even have eccentric bolts for rear toe and rear camber. So not only is adjusting the rear possible, it's also easy.

      If the rear camber is off, fix that first, then adjust the rear toe if needed. Then adjust the front. He was correct about the no adjustment for front caster.


      Modified by jbyronr at 7:32 PM 8-4-2007


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      09-10-2008 10:15 PM #17
      Does toe have to be adjusted in the rear after adjusting camber? I know two are tied together with most Japanese cars, but don't know about german ones.

      I am trying to get more camber in the back and hoping to dothat without a tripto an alignment shop.


    18. 09-10-2008 10:27 PM #18
      stuff you can adjust:
      front toe
      rear camber
      rear toe

      thats about it. you need camber kits to be able to adjust front camber and some kits let you adjust front caster.


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      09-11-2008 12:03 AM #19
      I should clarify myself...

      I am trying to adjust camber on my rear wheels. On Japanese cars, once camber is adjusted, toe has to be adjusted as well. Are MKVs same or can I adjust rear camber without affecting rear toe?


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      09-11-2008 12:13 AM #20
      Quote, originally posted by windsorvr »
      alignments are for pu55ies

    21. 09-11-2008 12:15 AM #21
      im having alignment issues with my GLI and i only have 5k on. This would be my second alignment and i havn't hit any pot holes or anything. I was told my the dumbest manager that "hard driving and cornering can cause your car to go out of alignment" Looking for a new dealer....

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      09-11-2008 12:17 AM #22
      haha thats the worst excuse ever

    23. 09-11-2008 01:21 AM #23
      I just had my '08 GLI aligned. They adjusted both the front and rear toe settings. I spoke with the tech and have print out to show it. There definitely are adjustments in the rear.

      The problem here is that you just had some idiot that wants to take shortcuts on your car, or worse, doesn't know what the hell he is doing. Either way, bad news.


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      09-11-2008 03:21 AM #24
      Not sure if this is something common, but the rear right wheel has more camber than the left side. My buddy experienced same issue on his '06 GTI.

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      09-11-2008 05:54 AM #25
      got mine aligned

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      09-11-2008 08:57 AM #26
      Quote, originally posted by michdmb »
      Just talked to the guy at Firestone. He says that there are no adjustment points on the rear of the car. I told him I wanted to bring the car in along with a copy of this thread to clarify. Are the diagrams above going to show him enough to get it done right? thanks again,

      Mike

      Edit: I also mentioned to him that I noticed an '06 GLI was specified on my summary sheet. I doubt it, but could that be part of the reason they were did not do the rear?


      Modified by michdmb at 11:48 AM 8-4-2007

      I wouldn't bother going down there again. I would get in touch w/ some sort of regional manager of Firestone or ask to speak directly to the manager of that particular shop and explain the situation and then express your lack of confidence in their techs. Tell him you want to bring it to a credible shop that knows what they're doing (i.e. not a chain store) and you want them to reimburse you/refund you what you paid them. Who knows if they'll budge but it's worth a shot, I mean worst case scenario you'll get Firestone to perform another shotty alignment on your car. Oh and also mention that you'll be in touch w/ the dealership which you said has cars aligned there and will let them know all about the half-ass job that place does; that might be enough leverage to get you what you want/need

      Good luck whatever you do

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      09-11-2008 04:49 PM #27
      Quote, originally posted by Arin »
      10 bucks says he looked up the specs for the 06 GOLF, which was the MKIV and did have the solid rear.

      you mean 05?

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    28. 09-11-2008 04:59 PM #28
      Quote, originally posted by sebas@hometuning »

      you mean 05?

      early 06's were MkIV's


    29. 09-11-2008 05:14 PM #29
      yep deffinately had mine 4 wheel aligned, and my rear wheels were wayyyy toed out, get it done yo

    30. 09-11-2008 05:26 PM #30
      Quote, originally posted by michdmb »
      Just talked to the guy at Firestone. He says that there are no adjustment points on the rear of the car. I told him I wanted to bring the car in along with a copy of this thread to clarify. Are the diagrams above going to show him enough to get it done right? thanks again,

      Mike

      Edit: I also mentioned to him that I noticed an '06 GLI was specified on my summary sheet. I doubt it, but could that be part of the reason they were did not do the rear?


      Modified by michdmb at 11:48 AM 8-4-2007

      He's full of BS! MKV Jetta Bentley has this to say about rear alignment...."rear axle toe is adjusted by turning an eccentric bolt that joins the lower link and subframe. Camber is adjusted by turning an eccentric bolt that joins the link to the subframe. Caster is not adjustable."


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    31. 09-11-2008 06:29 PM #31
      Quote, originally posted by spitpilot »
      Caster is not adjustable

      Sounds like someone's face is about to be, though.


    32. 09-11-2008 06:36 PM #32
      Quote, originally posted by Arin »

      Remember the last time you got laid? Ohhh, no you didnt??!???!!?? You were too busy rotating your silly wheels on your silly miss aligned garbagecocck shuttle.

      bah hahah

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      09-11-2008 06:44 PM #33
      I get alignments to bump my camber out of spec. -3.2 degrees in the rear.
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      09-11-2008 07:20 PM #34
      Quote, originally posted by teton »

      early 06's were MkIV's

      prove it

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    35. 09-11-2008 08:57 PM #35
      Quote, originally posted by Arin »

      Remember the last time you got laid? Ohhh, no you didnt??!???!!?? You were too busy rotating your silly wheels on your silly miss aligned garbagecocck shuttle.

      hahaha,

      I don't get alignments, but then again i don't feel like spending the extra cash and i don't care about my ****ty tires.


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