GOOD GOD!!!!!!
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Awhile ago you may remember we posted a bit about doing nitrous on the 2.0T FSI motor, we gained some feedback about what you guys are looking for out of it via a poll and some PM feedback.
Our kit is nearing public readyness, we've been testing software and hardware for sometime now on both 6spd and DSG Vehicles. We'll be happy to report a solid 75HP gain and 100+ FT lbs of torque over chipped status in the coming weeks.
Expected pricing structure
Standard Kit $2,499
Direct Port Kit $2679
Just to clarify before hand, you do not need an upgraded mechanical fuel pump to run this system!Our kit will include:
BmF Nitrous Specific SoftwareBmF Fuel System:
Includes seperate fuel cell, filter, pump, lines and regulator with returnBmF Nitrous System (Spec'd by us and built by the leaders in technology, Nitrous Express)
-This is a wet system (injects fuel and nitrous)
BmF Supply Package:
Bottle Warmer
Progressive Controller
Purge Solenoid
NHRA approved blow down tube and cap
Fuel Pressure Safety switch
Wide Open Throttle switch
Nitrous Pressure Guage
Spark PlugsOptions
We offer a Direct Port upgrade which will more evenly distribute nitrous across all four cylinders making in safer more effective power. This upgrade we expect to cost less than $200 over the kit pricing.
In designing this system we decided up front we would incorporate all the current safety feature's availible to us. Below you will find an explanation of each feature of our system and how it protects you, your engine and your investment.
BmF Software: This is tuned specific to our needs in timing, fueling and boost. There will be a slight loss in power compared to our standard stage'd files while not using the nitrous system. It is only noticable on the dyno and is for your drivetrains safety!BmF Spec Components: We have spent time on finding what fits and what does not, on what works together in harmony and what does not. If something was not availible we had it made. Rest assured that everything in this kit is designed strictly for the 2.0T FSI.
BmF Fuel System: We include a supplement to your stock fueling system, it includes a racing fuel cell to hold either pump fuel of your choice or a higher octane blend
, a return style fuel pressure regulator and a fuel pump to supply the system with the needed fuel. Without all of this the nitrous system would be a dry system, be unsafe and run into a fuel cut of the stock fueling system.
BmF Supply Package:
- A bottle warmer to keep consistent bottle pressures for optimum performance monitored by the guage we also supply.- A fuel pressure safety switch, the purpose is if the fuel pressure drops due to pump, regulator or line failure the system will automatically shut down as a safety.
- A Wide Open Throttle switch, the purpose being to turn the system on when you are at WOT which is when you command it.
- A Purge solenoid, the purpose being to purge the nitrous line of any and all air and debris to keep optimum and safe performance.
- A progressive controller, the purpose being to slowly ramp up the power increase. The hit of nitrous is what harms most drivelines and engines, we keep the hit to less of a big turbo setup using this component.
- A NHRA blowdown valve and tube which will divert all nitrous outside of the vehicle should the bottle be under too much pressure.
I forgot to mention, the manufacturer's we are using are all of the highest quality. We are using a Aeromotive pump, filter and regulator. The fuel cell is a JAZ unit, lines are all stainless steel made from Russell Components. The Nitrous kit is pure Nitrous Express built to our specification.Also. THERE WILL BE A WARRANTY!!!!
Modified by Brendon@BmFTechnik at 11:03 PM 8-26-2007
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GOOD GOD!!!!!!
#3
I thought that nitrous was supposed to be cheap power?
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Quote, originally posted by 2.0Tgti » GOOD GOD!!!!!!
no.......It's more like GOOOOOOOOOOD GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edwin: This is less than half the cost of upcoming turbo kits, it is slightly double that of a fuel pump being released that only gains safety. Our kit is comprehensive, including software and MANY safety components. The cheap nitrous kit's are still availible for $600 or so on ebay but they do not include the R&D, safety components, supporting components and software we offer. Add up the cost of what we're offering and you'll see it's over 4K in list prices.... it's a STEAL!
Modified by Brendon@BmFTechnik at 10:30 PM 8-26-2007
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Quote, originally posted by Branman » WOW! You ready to bring that 13.7 to a 12.7??
#7
No upgrading engine internals or DSG?
#8
Thinking about thisAnd we need some videos of the nitrous in action
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Engine internals and DSG is holding power so far. We've had a 06 DSG GTI since May 06 we've been testing and beating on. So far 19K miles on that car and no issues.Video's will be coming shortly. We're still running testing on components and stocking stuff we know works. I expect a few more weeks and this will be out.
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Quote, originally posted by Brendon@BmFTechnik »
no.......It's more like GOOOOOOOOOOD GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edwin: This is less than half the cost of upcoming turbo kits, it is slightly double that of a fuel pump being released that only gains safety. Our kit is comprehensive, including software and MANY safety components. The cheap nitrous kit's are still availible for $600 or so on ebay but they do not include the R&D, safety components, supporting components and software we offer. Add up the cost of what we're offering and you'll see it's over 4K in list prices.... it's a STEAL!
Modified by Brendon@BmFTechnik at 10:30 PM 8-26-2007Haha, true, true. I've run nitrous in the past on hondas and its always a night/day difference.(kinda like a chip on a turbo'd vw) I cant imagine the 2 on top of eachother. The car has to be scary at WOT. Are you guys gonna be at H2O with this kit on hand??? I'd love to see it up close preferrably in direct port setup.
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Great to see more power adding mods for the 2.0TFor those racing in a class, this would not make sense. 2 power adders puts you in a class with turbo 500whp Hondas, spraying nitrous on top of that...
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Quote, originally posted by 2.0Tgti » Haha, true, true. I've run nitrous in the past on hondas and its always a night/day difference.(kinda like a chip on a turbo'd vw) I cant imagine the 2 on top of eachother. The car has to be scary at WOT. Are you guys gonna be at H2O with this kit on hand??? I'd love to see it up close preferrably in direct port setup.
I expect to have a 6spd and a DSG crusing around with it, I am also working on getting one in the show.
The setup is pretty much like any other except we're putting the fuel cell down on the left frame rail with the pump and regulator. Everything is very cleanly installed, all of the wiring harness' are premade for the entire system.
#13
Any photos?
That's all I care about.
#14
Man, this is pretty interesting. I've never really considered nitrous, but for the price it really is hard to beat to be honest...
The price makes perfect sense to me. 500 gets you a super cheap kit that normally ends up blowing the motor due to lack of safety components or know how on the buyers part. It would be bare bones, for the built it yourself type person.
-Drew
1986 944 Turbo - T4 .50 trim
2006 GTI - APR K04
2002 A4 3.0Q
#15
When you say software, do you mean a piggy back system or a flash??
How will this work on a chipped car??Its expensive but with those numbers definitely worth a look!!
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oops dbl post
#18
I cant wait to get this system!!!! Do you guys have any dyno numbers yet?
#19
Quote, originally posted by SUPERIDE » I cant wait to get this system!!!! Do you guys have any dyno numbers yet?
Quote, originally posted by Brendon@BmFTechnik » We'll be happy to report a solid 75HP gain and 100+ FT lbs of torque over chipped status in the coming weeks.
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Quote, originally posted by Brendon@BmFTechnik » Engine internals and DSG is holding power so far. We've had a 06 DSG GTI since May 06 we've been testing and beating on. So far 19K miles on that car and no issues. Video's will be coming shortly. We're still running testing on components and stocking stuff we know works. I expect a few more weeks and this will be out.
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Quote, originally posted by Arin » I should have been more clear, I wanted to see the dyno chart.
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Quote, originally posted by brandon0221 »
I wonder if the extra torque is much later when it usually drops off... that would mean the increased torque is not hitting when the engine is already putting out a massive amount.
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Quote, originally posted by Arin »
I wonder if the extra torque is much later when it usually drops off... that would mean the increased torque is not hitting when the engine is already putting out a massive amount.Possibly we will not know until facts are released. Hey at least there trying to work with DSG and not say yea we are going to have this new kit for DSG and when the kit releases the companies say, oh well we still doing more testing for DSG but here is the 6sp product.
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Quote, originally posted by gtiiiiiiii » Man, this is pretty interesting. I've never really considered nitrous, but for the price it really is hard to beat to be honest...
The price makes perfect sense to me. 500 gets you a super cheap kit that normally ends up blowing the motor due to lack of safety components or know how on the buyers part. It would be bare bones, for the built it yourself type person.500 normally gets you everything you need - everything else is an accessory
as for blowing the motor - 90%+ of the time its the user - either from not installing jets or installing the wrong ones, spraying while not under WOT, didnt retard the timing (on bigger hits normally over 100hp on a Fuel injected car) or leaving the bottle heater on over night etc etc etc
Nitrous is safe when used correctly
If you dont know much about nitrous - I still wouldn't advise buying this kit without reading a book on it or having someone with extensive use with it show/tell you what is going on.
I am willing to bet people who buy this kit and dont know how to use nitrous in the first place will blow their cars up - and then we will have even more people in the world bitching and moaning about how nitrous just blows stuff up
as for the price - go price out the extras - at 2200 with a chip for it - its a good deal atleast from what i have read
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The chip is software flashed onto the stock ECU. No piggy backs used.Dyno sheets will be released when the product is released, We're still trying to squeeze more power out reliably. But let's say this. We have a 300WHP 395FT lb torque DSG running around.
I'm a huge fan of DSG, as is the company. We purchased a 06 GTI DSG back in May 06 to do testing on. Everything for DSG and 6spds will come out at the same time, be sure of that.
As for photo's, the setup is not final. We will not release photo's until it is more final. You cannot even tell it's there on our install, All lines are covered in black covering as are the wires. All nozzles are on the underside of the intake, the bottle is hidden in the spare tire well. The fuel cell and components are hidden on the frame rail.
It's very inexpensive, we're selling the kit for such a low price and so full featured to get our name out there on our high quality true performance products. Be sure it will be fully tested before it gets in your hands.
Power Curves- The powercurve is verrry smooth coming on and pulls HARD to redline. There will be no problem running out of power up top.
As to the last poster above me, Yes nitrous can blow a car up. Please read our safety section, OUR Solution is NOT dangerous, we have the tune covered, a FPR incase something goes wrong with the pump, fuses, relays, all jets will be preloaded into the nozzles, the charge will be slowly introduced through a progressive controller. A WOT switch setup so you cannot spray under 3000RPM or WOT throttle. The bottle warmer will be impossible to leave on overnight with our set up. New spark plugs will be sent as well. This power adder will not harm your engine anymore than a big turbo would, and argueably endanger your car less than a big turbo as it is not used all of the time.
Modified by Brendon@BmFTechnik at 12:11 AM 8-28-2007
Modified by Brendon@BmFTechnik at 12:13 AM 8-28-2007
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A couple of questions, is there power throughout the whole rpm band or is it going to be like a big turbo where the power comes all at once? I perfer to have a setup where you make good power and it pulls hard in the low end, just so you get traction, but it rips once you hit the top end. Also, how much would you have to refill the nitrous bottle? Thanks
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Quote, originally posted by ItalianGLI » A couple of questions, is there power throughout the whole rpm band or is it going to be like a big turbo where the power comes all at once? I perfer to have a setup where you make good power and it pulls hard in the low end, just so you get traction, but it rips once you hit the top end. Also, how much would you have to refill the nitrous bottle? Thanks
In his above response he basically is saying it comes on smooth, will not spray under 3k rpm and doesn't jolt the system -comes on smooth
-Drew
1986 944 Turbo - T4 .50 trim
2006 GTI - APR K04
2002 A4 3.0Q
#28
Every nitrous car I've rode in, was not smooth at all when nitrous hits. Imagine driving 40mph, and getting rear ended by a semi going 70mph, thats what nitrous feels like to me. Its crazy fun!Like artificial speed, the car is accelerating fast, but logically it seems like there no way it should ever go that fast..
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Quote, originally posted by gtiiiiiiii »
In his above response he basically is saying it comes on smooth, will not spray under 3k rpm and doesn't jolt the system -comes on smoothYeah, I don't read
I would like to see a dyno though
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Hi BrandonJust a quick question, what happens if you are running revo/apr/giac, and want to install this kit, does your software overwrite existing ecu software or does it work in conjuction with the aftermarket software??
Thanks
#31
how hard is it hooking up the direct port lines into the plastic intake manifold, is it drilled and threaded in??
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Quote, originally posted by brandon0221 »
X2..or 3....
#33
Shouldnt it be noted how long a standard bottle will last? This is more of a 1/4 mile option correct? If anyone drives full boost and bumps the rev limiter on pretty much every ride to work then a bottle would last no more than 15 minutes or so, yeah?cheers! mike
Modified by bhvrdr at 12:01 PM 8-28-2007
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Quote, originally posted by Brendon@BmFTechnik »
Dyno sheets will be released when the product is released, We're still trying to squeeze more power out reliably. But let's say this. We have a 300WHP 395FT lb torque DSG running around.Modified by Brendon@BmFTechnik at 12:13 AM 8-28-2007
where in the rpm range is the torque peak @ 395lbft?
most of the companies are worried about 300lbft on the dsg. Either your company has no issues with pushing the limits. or the other tuners out there are scared of their own shadows to market their turbo kits to the DSG crowd.
In terms of the flash... do we have to take our car to a bmf dealer to do the flash or do we need to ship our ecu to BmF to have the flash done?
This has me really thinking of getting this kit over a BT. But after purchasing a rail pump it gets close to the price of a BT.
Is there any way you guys may offer a pump with the kit as a package?
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Quote, originally posted by gtboost » where in the rpm range is the torque peak @ 395lbft?
most of the companies are worried about 300lbft on the dsg. Either your company has no issues with pushing the limits. or the other tuners out there are scared of their own shadows to market their turbo kits to the DSG crowd.
In terms of the flash... do we have to take our car to a bmf dealer to do the flash or do we need to ship our ecu to BmF to have the flash done?
This has me really thinking of getting this kit over a BT. But after purchasing a rail pump it gets close to the price of a BT.
Is there any way you guys may offer a pump with the kit as a package?
the idea is you won't need to upgrade the rail pump with this..cuz out of the nitrous your chip will be running a little bit less power than your standard chip and during the nitrous the extra fuel delivery will come from the supplied fuel cell/pump/regulator
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