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    Thread: mk5 Jetta/Golf 4motion conversion findings

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      06-23-2008 06:39 AM #51
      Quote, originally posted by Exodusx7x »
      I have been wondering if the trans (being dsg only in us) would be a bolt on for the 2.0t?

      Based on the pictures above it seems the r32 DSG tranny will not fit 2.0T.

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      06-24-2008 03:21 PM #52
      Well sipes I figure that instead of fiddling with all the elictrical mumbo jumbo I'll just yell at my car really loud and bam awd..... But seriously The electrical should be the easy part is fitting all the mechanical crap that would be a royal pain. I figure as long as the rear suspension could be bolted on for the most part aside from a random bracket or what have you then the only real problem would be figuring out a tranny and T case setup... then all you need to put it all together is alot of

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      06-24-2008 03:47 PM #53
      Quote, originally posted by Exodusx7x »
      I figure as long as the rear suspension could be bolted on for the most part aside from a random bracket or what have you then the only real problem would be figuring out a tranny and T case setup... then all you need to put it all together is alot of

      Well, fuel tank is another thing to figure out. Not to mention the exhaust.
      But we might have more information soon, as I am actively searching for anything I can bring from Europe to move from Research Phase to Attempt Phase

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      06-25-2008 01:43 AM #54
      I was mulling this over with a buddy of mine and he suggested looking into some Audi goodies. doesn't the new Audi tt have like the awd and 2.0t engine with dsg? If so then that solves the tranny problem. Fuel tank is something to consider but the whole exhaust thing is simple nothing some creative piping wouldn't solve

    5. 06-25-2008 08:42 PM #55
      It seems very likely that the Audi and VW transverse AWD platforms will share a great many parts. In fact, I don't think it too far-fetched to think that one could even use the rear sub frame from a Quattro TT on the MkV platform. I myself have pondered trying to find a totaled TT S-line from which to salvage the K04 turbo, 6-speed manual transmission, and rear subframe to use on my MkV GTI. I don't have any proof of concept, but I really can't imagine these parts would be any different.


      Modified by AtomicOnionMan at 7:43 PM 6-25-2008

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      06-26-2008 02:38 PM #56
      Quote, originally posted by AtomicOnionMan »
      I myself have pondered trying to find a totaled TT S-line from which to salvage the K04 turbo, 6-speed manual transmission, and rear subframe to use on my MkV GTI.

      1. Is there any 2.0L (either gas or diesel) quattro TT available in US?
      2. Per audiusa website only 3.2 has permanent quattro drive. Per HPA it is still Haldex. If it is Haldex, it is most likely exactly the same as in mk5 R32.
      Per available drawings it seems like it is exactly the same as mk5 R32:



    7. 06-26-2008 06:29 PM #57
      If I'm not mistaken, the Audi TT S line, which I believe is offered in the US, is the 265 hp 2.0T with quattro AWD. I believe you can also get a TT 3.2 in quattro with both DSG and manual transmissions for those considering either option.

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      06-26-2008 07:31 PM #58
      Quote, originally posted by AtomicOnionMan »
      If I'm not mistaken, the Audi TT S line, which I believe is offered in the US, is the 265 hp 2.0T with quattro AWD. I believe you can also get a TT 3.2 in quattro with both DSG and manual transmissions for those considering either option.

      S-line in US is still FWD. But the fact that 3.2 is in 6MT is worth noting.

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      06-26-2008 09:20 PM #59
      god with the sound of a gnarly r32 exhaust note and having awd standard I might just sell my mk5 and buy an r32 lol

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      08-03-2008 07:50 PM #60
      Quote, originally posted by maloosheck »
      2. Per audiusa website only 3.2 has permanent quattro drive. Per HPA it is still Haldex. If it is Haldex, it is most likely exactly the same as in mk5 R32.

      Permanent? In the TT VR6? No...it is also Haldex.
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      08-04-2008 02:40 PM #61
      Quote, originally posted by jetta9103 »
      Permanent? In the TT VR6? No...it is also Haldex.

      So do you think the Haldex controller is programmed differently, or the whole "permanent quattro" is just a marketing.

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      08-10-2008 09:38 PM #62
      No, it may be programmed slighlty different than a A3 or a Golf, but it is still mostly FWD under normal conditions. maybe they mean "permanent" in that the hardware is always there? or that there is always a minor bit of torque being tranferred to the rear? lol
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    13. 08-27-2008 06:30 PM #63
      In ETKA the mkV GTI and R32 chasie is different..
      Dont you think that could be a problem? :/
      I was thinking about puting 4motion from r32 to my gti too, but i doubt its possible :/





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      08-27-2008 07:59 PM #64
      Remember that R32 has completely different exhaust than anything else. On the other hand you might be right: GTI has a spare wheel, R32 does not have one. With Jetta/Golf Variant there is no problem, because spare is moved far back.


      Modified by maloosheck at 5:35 PM 8-27-2008

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      08-29-2008 01:27 PM #65
      Well, it's time to move from theory to practice. I was in Europe in May and I found few parts from mk5 Golf 1.9 TDI 4Motion. After 3 months I have finally picked them up today. Here we go:
      1. 6-speed MT for TDI 4Motion (FWZ) - it might require some changes to the gear ratio in the future, but at this point the most important was it should bolt in to my engine without any problems.

      2. Transfer case from this transmission:

      3. Haldex and rear differential:

      4. Rear subframe and rear axles (still wrapped):

      The plan is to try to install everything in 3 phases:
      1. Front: Transmission + axles
      2. Rear: Fuel tank + rear suspension
      3. Connection: shaft + ABS
      I am planning to pair engine with transmission using EU-spec 240mm DMF/clutch kit from PD170. It should handle my current torque as well as expected future upgrades.
      This is how it arrived:


      And this is how I transported everything home:


      The whole load weighted 183kg per Bill of Lading (not sure if it is gross or net of packaging). Even with two transmissions on board (one under the hood and one in a trunk) the car was accelerating quite well.

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      08-29-2008 02:02 PM #66
      can't wait to see the progress on this! [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      08-29-2008 02:42 PM #67
      Mike; Good call. Your photos are consistent with what I had been told about the O2q and the transfer case. Good luck with the project. INteresting to read the flywheel choice.
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      08-29-2008 03:37 PM #68
      [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] Makes my simple thoughts of a just a FWD 6spd with an LSD in my TDI seem very easy.

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      08-29-2008 05:20 PM #69
      That's just great
      what you will be doing regarding the fuel tank ?
      Too Pee or not To Pee ..

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      08-29-2008 05:22 PM #70
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      what you will be doing regarding the fuel tank ?

      Replace with Golf Variant 4motion one. Unfortunately, when I was in EU, I could not find one. I have to order it from here.

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      08-29-2008 05:30 PM #71
      mike i may be coming across an R32 to strip. gotta see if it's gonna get bought back. 04 R32, if so..the tank is yours. give me a couple weeks to find out if it's a go, cos i am gonna pretty much keep everything from the car. i will talk to you when you get here this weekend
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      08-29-2008 05:32 PM #72
      Wouldn't it be cheaper to source half Golf Variant and ship it?
      I'm thinking this way; I've found a lot of wrecked TDI 4motion hatchback on the net

      Whish you all the best
      Too Pee or not To Pee ..

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      08-29-2008 05:42 PM #73
      Quote, originally posted by Vegeta Gti »
      mike i may be coming across an R32 to strip. gotta see if it's gonna get bought back. 04 R32, if so..the tank is yours. give me a couple weeks to find out if it's a go, cos i am gonna pretty much keep everything from the car. i will talk to you when you get here this weekend

      Chris, the biggest PITA with the tank is it must be for DEEZHL... If I was sure both gasoline and diesel tanks are the some I would not bother and grab one from US-spec mk5 R32...

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      08-29-2008 05:43 PM #74
      Quote, originally posted by EL_3grab »
      I've found a lot of wrecked TDI 4motion hatchback on the net

      Where?

    25. 08-29-2008 06:50 PM #75
      Cool!

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