mk5 Jetta/Golf 4motion conversion findings

[R32dreamer17]

yeah yeah i know it's different. just wondering if i could see this. it's so sick what you're doing. good luck with the rest of the project.

[maloosheck]

Quote, originally posted by R32dreamer17 »

just wondering if i could see this.

Sure you can. Although let me clean my basement from the wires laying all around. I was extracting wires for few other projects (climatronic, headlight washers and inverter 115V) and there is a total mess.

[maloosheck]

I stopped by today to ask about the tool I need, but they did not have one.

I am looking for VW special tool T10107 to borrow for a day or less. If you have one, or know the place that have one please let me know. It is a very long (12-14") Allen M6 key to attach right axle flange in mk5 r32 to the differential.

Modified by maloosheck at 5:36 PM 10-18-2008

[R32dreamer17]

awesome. i go to odu and won't be in town again until around the end of november. would love to see a project like this. thanks a lot man.

[mtbr297]

It is only 16 bucks here.http://buy.equipmentsolutions.com/eqs_va/Net/ItemDetail.aspx?Search=True&Group_ID=25&Item_id=19262 Anyone can buy from this website. I buy tools there all the time. Cost less than the other vw tool dealers.


Modified by mtbr297 at 8:55 AM 10-20-2008

[maloosheck]

Quote, originally posted by mtbr297 »

It is only 16 bucks here.http://buy.equipmentsolutions.com/eqs_va/Net/ItemDetail.aspx?Search=True&Group_ID=25&Item_id=19262 Anyone can buy from this website. I buy tools there all the time. Cost less than the other vw tool dealers.

Thanks a lot. Super useful information.

[maloosheck]

A bit more of homework: fuel tanks.

FWD Golf 5:

AWD Golf 5 (R32):

I need to raise the rear or my car sometime soon and do the inspection of the space where the fuel tank is located...

[jaah]

nice job.

Is there anything else, what I could do for you

I installed oem trailer hitch at last feb.
Couple pics from back:
http://tos.pp.fi/ffp/isotkuvat/DSC02999.JPG
http://tos.pp.fi/ffp/isotkuvat/DSC03009.JPG
http://tos.pp.fi/ffp/isotkuvat/DSC03012.JPG

I think that is smaller than ½motion Golf?

[maloosheck]

Quote, originally posted by jaah »

Is there anything else, what I could do for you

Thanks for the info.
If you ever have a chance to take pictures under the car, I would be grateful. Also, the picture of the floor/chassis under the rear seats would be appreciated.

[jaah]

I have only this pic from under rear seat:
http://tos.pp.fi/ffp/isotkuvat/DSC03002.JPG

I cant access to under car...
But I could try to take some pics.

[maloosheck]

Quote, originally posted by jaah »

I have only this pic from under rear seat: http://tos.pp.fi/ffp/isotkuvat/DSC03002.JPG

Thanks a lot. That should be very helpful.

[maloosheck]

I ordered the tool I needed:

It goes deep :

So the transfer case is finally attached according to specs: 4 bolts M16, 40Nm and 1 bolt inside Allen M6, 33Nm.

I have also attached Haldex to the subframe:

In a mean time I found the auto-leveling sensor I got with the tranny:

Now shopping for front axles and shaft...

[R32dreamer17]

nice dude. cant wait to see this thing.

[ajz9415]

Wow this looks like fun

[SBAtdijetta]

Quote, originally posted by ajz9415 »

Wow this looks like fun

LOL looks like tons of fun once it is done... Looks like hell until it is to Maloosheck for attempting his best DIY yet.

[ZPrime]

Not going to fit in the back, if the Golf/Rabbit platform is any indication.

The R32 has a completely different spare tire area compared to a GTI/Rabbit. R32 has a smaller spare and shallower tire area, so there's actually less cargo room in an R32's hatch.

This is all done in order to push the floor up higher, so the more complex rear end + Haldex + split gas tank can fit.

If the Jetta TDI is at all like the Golf in this respect, you're going to run into problems when you try to bolt it all up.

All of this aside - I love your project page linked in your sig. The wiring pinouts for the compass module will be helpful as I want to add one to my MkV R32 which supposedly doesn't have the harness plug in the headliner where it belongs on a Golf...

[jaah]

Quote, originally posted by ZPrime »

Not going to fit in the back, if the Golf/Rabbit platform is any indication. The R32 has a completely different spare tire area compared to a GTI/Rabbit. R32 has a smaller spare and shallower tire area, so there's actually less cargo room in an R32's hatch..

Yes thats true. I have also smaller trunk in my TDI. You can see that from my linked pictures

I hope that the trunk of jetta will be ok.

[maloosheck]

Quote, originally posted by ZPrime »

The R32 has a completely different spare tire area compared to a GTI/Rabbit. R32 has a smaller spare and shallower tire area, so there's actually less cargo room in an R32's hatch. This is all done in order to push the floor up higher, so the more complex rear end + Haldex + split gas tank can fit. If the Jetta TDI is at all like the Golf in this respect, you're going to run into problems when you try to bolt it all up.

I am aware of that. The plan for the weekend is to rise the rear of the car and do all the measurements.

This is the picture I have taken when I was installing R32 rear sway bar in my Jetta. It seems there is enough space over the rear part of the sub-frame to accommodate haldex.

Quote, originally posted by ZPrime »

All of this aside - I love your project page linked in your sig. The wiring pinouts for the compass module will be helpful as I want to add one to my MkV R32 which supposedly doesn't have the harness plug in the headliner where it belongs on a Golf...

If you look at For Sale stuff, you can find OEM compass wiring harness for sale. It might need to be extended for R32 purposes, but it is a good starting point.


Modified by maloosheck at 12:20 PM 11-6-2008

[vex004]

added to watched topics

[maloosheck]

Quote, originally posted by vex004 »

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What's AWP O2M ?

[jimmygomk3]

excited to see more progress!!

[maloosheck]

I might be shipping few more parts from EU soon: front axles, flywheel/clutch, starter, and not related to this project turbo.

[Issam Abed]

That is really going to make swaps into old chassis's alot nicer.

[subspd]

I love this thread!

[maloosheck]

Little update: I got the rear brake pipe today. Funny story is no VW in NA uses this line, only Audi. There was a bit of confusion at the dealership, but the order went through.

I am hoping the next thing I post here will be pics of stuff from EU...

[bwzimmerman]

wow just amazing.. maybe I missed it.. but could you do a full parts list of items needed for this swap? I got a 2.0T jetta.. i guess our rides are the same except the gear ratio's..

[jaah]

Quote, originally posted by bwzimmerman »

wow just amazing.. maybe I missed it.. but could you do a full parts list of items needed for this swap? I got a 2.0T jetta.. i guess our rides are the same except the gear ratio's..

Maybe the gearbox from S3 will fit?

[maloosheck]

Quote, originally posted by bwzimmerman »

wow just amazing.. maybe I missed it.. but could you do a full parts list of items needed for this swap? I got a 2.0T jetta.. i guess our rides are the same except the gear ratio's..

There is no such list yet. The reasons are as follows:
1. It will be extensive to list all the parts one by one
2. I still do not know all the parts that need to be swapped, e.g. I recently found out that 4Motion ABS module uses different duo/multiple sensor module.
3. It sounds impossible, but not all the parts are listed in ETKA, e.g. I could not find PN for oem exhaust for EU-spec Golf Variant 4M.


Modified by maloosheck at 6:54 AM 11-22-2008

[jaah]

Quote, originally posted by maloosheck »

2. I still do not know all the parts that need to be swapped, e.g. I recently found out that 4Motion ABS module uses different

Where I can found that information from my car
ABS module serial number?

Or perhaps complete scan will help?

[maloosheck]

Quote, originally posted by jaah »

Where I can found that information from my car ABS module serial number?

Thanks for your help, but it is not that easy.

[jaah]

http://tos.pp.fi/koukku/22112008.3gp

[maloosheck]

Quote, originally posted by jaah »

http://tos.pp.fi/koukku/22112008.3gp

I did not realize Golf V is used as a snow plough in Finland ...

[jaah]

Quote, originally posted by maloosheck »

I did not realize Golf V is used as a snow plough in Finland ...

Many times

Someday I will shoot a better video with my sony handycam

Here are couple videos from winter driving academy of world rally champion. Recorded from TV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l5uXjZthJU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...lated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...lated

And his web site:
http://www.juhakankkunen.com/

[maloosheck]

I know Juha Kankkunen. I used to watch WRC when I was in EU.

There are some excellent pictures on his website.

BTW The only words I got from the clips were Haldex, Torsen and ESP ...

[jaah]

Quote, originally posted by maloosheck »

I know Juha Kankkunen. I used to watch WRC when I was in EU. There are some excellent pictures on his website. BTW The only words I got from the clips were Haldex, Torsen and ESP ...

He says: Torsen is the best.