mk5 Jetta/Golf 4motion conversion findings

[maloosheck]

Time for some update. Rear wheel bearing housings arrived:

[.badrabbit.]

moree!

[maloosheck]

Quote, originally posted by .badrabbit. »

moree!

Soon. I am really desperate to complete this project asap.

[ShadowGLI]

I am so happy this is still happening.. can't wait to see it finished up.. You need to drive to snow and do some doughnuts and drifts with your car..haha

[Vegeta Gti]

jus say the word..and i'll fly in for an extra set of hands my friend.

[maloosheck]

Quote, originally posted by Vegeta Gti »

jus say the word..and i'll fly in for an extra set of hands my friend.

I am going to need them. I have to lower the subframe to accomodate 4M tranny...

[.badrabbit.]

updates?

[maloosheck]

Quote, originally posted by .badrabbit. »

updates?

Not much. Just got the rear ABS sensors and will be ordering bolts for tranny swap in a week or two.

[MKVdemon]

because it costs 37,000 euros, imagine how much that is going to be when its converted over to the weak US dollar.

[poison]

quick question maloosheck, will an OEM r32 suspension bolt on to a jetta? and more importantly will it work properly?? ( weight diff etc.)

[TBT-Syncro]

Quote, originally posted by poison »

quick question maloosheck, will an OEM r32 suspension bolt on to a jetta? and more importantly will it work properly?? ( weight diff etc.)

search on the forums on here. there have been more than one mk4 jetta converted with the r32 drivetrains.

[maloosheck]

Quote, originally posted by poison »

will an OEM r32 suspension bolt on to a jetta?

not sure if you are looking for mk5 or mk4 info. and by suspension do you mean shocks/springs or subframe?

[poison]

its mk5, i did search forums and net but didnt come out with much.

[poison]

mk5 , shocks/spring.

[maloosheck]

Quote, originally posted by poison »

mk5 , shocks/spring.

Same thing fittingwise. Different weight to carry, though.

[poison]

Quote, originally posted by maloosheck »

Same thing fittingwise. Different weight to carry, though.

i am not very experienced with suspension behavior, would the swap do more harm then good??
( makes me think its not a good idea because it hasnt been done much before, or at least i couldnt find any documentation on the subject)

thanks for ur help btw

[poison]

Quote, originally posted by maloosheck »

Same thing fittingwise. Different weight to carry, though.

i am not very experienced with suspension behavior, would the swap do more harm then good??
( makes me think its not a good idea because it hasnt been done much before, or at least i couldnt find any documentation on the subject)

thanks for ur help btw

[brian1973]

Quote, originally posted by poison »

quick question maloosheck, will an OEM r32 suspension bolt on to a jetta? and more importantly will it work properly?? ( weight diff etc.)

no. r32 is configured similar to Audi TT but nothing like mk4 jetta/gti

[jaah]

Off topic:

Hmm Variant Golfs (Jetta SportWagen?) are made in Mexico.

I just found a new price list of Finnish 1.6TDI 4motion - so, you have the opportunity to buy it?



Modified by jaah at 2:28 PM 3-14-2010

[EL_3grab]

maloosheck

You might be interested looking into the new updated gen 2 haldex (gen 4 ?) used in the TTS, TTRS.

Cheers


Modified by EL_3grab at 3:51 AM 4-12-2010

[jaah]

Hmmmm

Is that normal?
http://tos.pp.fi/images/image/...4.JPG

I just saw it...

[maloosheck]

Quote, originally posted by jaah »

Is that normal? http://tos.pp.fi/images/image/...4.JPG

I will take a look at my shaft.

[jaah]

Quote, originally posted by maloosheck »

I will take a look at my shaft.

I also noticed that it is missing one nut!

I put new one...

[maloosheck]

Quote, originally posted by jaah »

I also noticed that it is missing one nut! I put new one...

I do not think you miss anything. Per ETKA there are no nuts there.

[jaah]

But I think that there should be 3 nuts.
One is missing... for a long time because there is a rust.
http://tos.pp.fi/images/image/...2.JPG

But Im wondering about "fragmentation" of that "disc".
It does not make a noise. Not yet...

[rracerguy717]

Lets bump this nice project that got lost in vortex

[ShadowGLI]

haha found it, and resubscribing

[balliBTI]

okay since last week Ive started browsing the net for information on 4M con on MK5 GTI, and Im wondering, is it possible to swap the whole shebang from a Jetta, Passat or Golf Variant 4M to h/b GTI?

and what should I look for? engine specs and whatnot

I actually read the thread but Ive been up for like 26 hours and Im so freaking tired and I really dont want to read it again ... cause I kinda forgot everything .... nearly everything

[opzrabbit17]

Ive read most of the tread and inquired about the white Rabbit 4motion that DM Tuning did.

In a brief nut shell, you will need the following:

*Rear subframe from B6 Passat/R32/ mk2 TT/ Golf Varient TDI (to include diff, axles, drive shaft and wheel hubs)
*R32 gas tank and fuel pump
*Tranny 6speed manual tranny from B6 Passat/R32/ mk2 TT/ Golf Varient TDI ( with axels and shift linkage)
*control module for the Haldex
*cat-bak exhaust system will have to customized. (not sure if you have to alter the down pipe)
*If you are putting this in a Rabbit or GTI, you will need the rear trunk floor from R35 or i think you just have delete you spare wheel well...

I think that covers hardware..

My questions are:

1. How, if possible can you connect the Haldex control module to work with the ASP. I think DM Tunning kept the ASP instead of upgrading to ESP (traction control).

2. If you get the whole 4motion drive train connected. How will the Haldex system behave without intergrating it with the ABS, ASP and/or ESP systems?? Will sticking a Limited Slip Diff (LSD) help over come any of the above mentioned issues?

2. I think a MK1 TT tranny would be easiest to source, but im not sure if any or all the possible transmissions for this conversion need any modifications to bolt up to a 2.5L or 2.0T

IS ANYONE OUT THERE ATTEMPTING THIS CONVERSION???

[opzrabbit17]

bump

[maloosheck]

1. How, if possible can you connect the Haldex control module to work with the ASP. I think DM Tunning kept the ASP instead of upgrading to ESP (traction control).

I doubt it is possible. It depends on the ABS control module. 4M ones are all ESP, not ASP. It would just be a waste of signals from sensors.

2. If you get the whole 4motion drive train connected. How will the Haldex system behave without intergrating it with the ABS, ASP and/or ESP systems?? Will sticking a Limited Slip Diff (LSD) help over come any of the above mentioned issues?

It will work as additional ballast . NOT work at all. You can make a custom controller if you are into soldering.

2. I think a MK1 TT tranny would be easiest to source, but im not sure if any or all the possible transmissions for this conversion need any modifications to bolt up to a 2.5L or 2.0T

I believe only vr6 uses different bolting pattern. 2.5 and 2.0T use the same one.

IS ANYONE OUT THERE ATTEMPTING THIS CONVERSION???

I am still doing it. We just have a beautiful baby girl - guess how much time I can spend on this project...

[opzrabbit17]

Thanks for the update.. I just puchase a wrecked R32 ... The donor R32 has all the nessesary parts except the tranny, brake & ABS parts... Im Looking forward to attempting this swap but i just bought a house, so it may be a while.. The 4M will be transplanted into my 2008 Rabbit.. Unfortunately i have to do some modification to the trunk floor to have room for the rear diff. I am going to swap in the trunk floor from the donor R32 so i can still have a spare.(donut).. LOL

1.What parts do i need to convert from ASP to ESP? My donor car did not come with any brakes or ABS...

2. You mentioned 5 wires going to the Haldex control module: power, ground, CAN-H, CAN-L and brake switch. Im not to familiar with wiring. Were exacting would i connect the CAN-H & CAN-L wires??

[maloosheck]

1.What parts do i need to convert from ASP to ESP? My donor car did not come with any brakes or ABS...

ABS pump and module, 4 wheel rotation sensors and acceleration multisensor located under the passenger seat.

2. You mentioned 5 wires going to the Haldex control module: power, ground, CAN-H, CAN-L and brake switch. Im not to familiar with wiring. Were exacting would i connect the CAN-H & CAN-L wires??

At CAN gateway under the dash. I have to double check but maybe you can also connect at CECM (way better access).

[opzrabbit17]

http://www.kisolutionz.com/ttforum/haldex.pdf

[opzrabbit17]

Question: according to page 29 on this link http://www.volkspage.net/technik/ssp/ssp/SSP_333.pdf
i think we might also need a (J419) Brake Light relay and the Brake Light swith from a vehicle with ESP.... (to convert from ASR to ESP)