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    Thread: 01-03 Eurovan Tires - Can't find

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      10-03-2007 07:31 PM #1
      I have called my VW dealer and 2 large locally owned tire dealers and no one can find a tire with a proper load rating for my Eurovan. Tirerack.com also says there are no tires available. Any suggestions?

      The last time I bought tires I had Michelins 225/60 R16 with a load rating of 102. The VW dealer is selling Eurovan owners the new Michelin version but with a 98 load rating. These tires come just shy of the front axle weight rating of 3329lbs. I use this van commercially for a few thousand miles a year and it seems like a liability to have underrated tires.

      I know there have been other posts with this topic but my searches under tire did not find anything.


    2. 10-03-2007 09:08 PM #2
      Well, winter is coming and you're in MN and discounttiredirect.com has some Hankook winter tires (Winter iPike W409 or Icebar W300) in that size and 102 load rating. That'll get you thru the winter at least.

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      10-03-2007 09:23 PM #3
      If you jump up to a 235 you can get lots of tires with load ratings of 100...
      Not big on Kumhos but there is one with a 104 load rating for $78.00 (Kumho Road Venture APT KL51)

      I see Michelins for $137(Michelin Primacy MXV4).


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      10-03-2007 10:26 PM #4
      I have some Nokian Hakkapeliitta's mounted on different rims for the winter. These are great tires.

      I saw a Eurovan Camper at the VW Dealer getting new Michelin Primacy MXV4's. These tires are load rated at 98. Maybe I am being to anal about this. However, my van spends about half its life towing a 12ft enclosed Featherlite trailer and a "lite" duty tire does not seem like a good idea.

      Are there any issues going to a 235 size?

      Thanks for the feedback.


    5. 10-04-2007 02:05 AM #5
      If you go from a 225 to a 235 it'll effect your speedo a smidge, but more importantly it's going to make your transmission work harder turning a larger tire.

      Check out this "Tire Size Calculator" http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html You can play with the sizes and see what comes close to the OEM tire. Cool tool to have if your thinking of going up a couple sizes.


    6. 10-04-2007 10:27 PM #6
      I was having the same problem. I went to my local VW dealer in Seattle and they recommend the Dunlop SP Sport 2000E

      It has a load rating of 102 for the 225-60-16 size tire and it is about $150 online and $218 at the dealer.


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      10-04-2007 10:45 PM #7
      Thanks for the feedback so far. The tire calculator is a great tool.

      I have been told by the vw dealer and a tire shop that the Dunlops only last about 20k miles.

      Looks like going to 235's will solve the load issue.

      It still seems crazy to me that a VW dealer would throw on 98 rated tires when the OEM tire was a 102.



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      10-04-2007 11:38 PM #8
      tires-easy.com has the OEM Michelin Energy MXV4 Plus, 225/60/R16 102H for $146.40 each plus S&H. I've dealt with them and their customer service is excellent.

    9. 10-10-2007 09:29 PM #9
      Nokian shows their Z model in 225/60ZR16XL 102W. Has anyone heard anything about these tires. We need new tires soon as well.

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      10-11-2007 10:28 AM #10
      I run General Grabber UHP in 235/60/16 100H on my 02. AFAIK the 102 rating is only required for the full campers/Rialtas.
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    11. 10-11-2007 01:16 PM #11
      Quote, originally posted by Bike55105 »
      It still seems crazy to me that a VW dealer would throw on 98 rated tires when the OEM tire was a 102.

      This may not be entirely crazy depending on the original load that the original 102 tires were to bear.

      I can't speak for the 225-60-16 size since my '00 never had them, but to use my '00 as an example, the original tires were also 102/100T (the 100 being the load when mounted in a dual situation, which is not applicable to the Eurovan). The max load of 1874lbs (reflected in the 102) was achieved at a max pressure of 55 psi (Michelin's current specs for the Agilis lists it as that). As you lower pressure, the load-carrying ability is reduced. VW's recommended pressures were (for my van) IIRC 42 front, 36 rear for a light load or something like 45 front and 39 rear (I forget the exact values but it was something like that...a few PSIs higher) for a full load. VW, while fitting 102 tires to the van, didn't require the full capacity of the tire to be used.

      Therefore you can get away with a lower-rated tire but most likely cannot follow the same pressures to do so. The question is (and this is where I can't really find any info on the 'net), how much less load was VW intending the tire to support (relative to the max load) at the lower-than-max PSIs? What I'm getting at is you can get away with a lesser-rated tire if you run the tire at a higher pressure than originally stated by VW (provided that you don't exceed the new tire's max pressure either). However calculating that new pressure is what remains to be a question.

      Note however that most of the above is not applicable to P-metric (as opposed to Metric or Euro-Metric tires that follow the 'SL' or 'XL' load rating scale in which case the max pressure is not at the max pressure stated on the tire, but rather at 35psi for SL tires and 41 psi for XL tires.


      Modified by gti_matt at 10:18 AM 10-11-2007


    12. 11-02-2007 08:08 PM #12

      use the Dunlop SP Sport2000E
      225-60-16 102h
      was used as alternate oem
      dealer sku#039350
      the michelin was discontinued

    13. 11-17-2007 03:15 PM #13
      Try these guys, they seem to have a few in the size you need.
      http://www.tires-easy.com/start.html

      They had a Hankook and a Dunlop with the correct load rating. You can search by car model and make and it will come up with what you need. I hated the Dunlop's that were OEM which is what they have. They never balanced and wore out in 12k. The Agilis's I had after that I got 60k out of and now I have a set of MXV4's that I am hopeful for.


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      11-18-2007 09:45 AM #14
      I recently purchased OEM Michelin tires (102 load rating) from Discount Tire Centers.

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      07-03-2009 11:27 AM #15
      June 2009 update

      Nokian has the WRG2 in 225/60 R16 102XL rating. About $200 each installed.


    16. 09-13-2009 06:04 PM #16
      I just got a set of Nokian WRC Van tires in 215/65-R16 109/107 for my '01 EVC, at $189/ea. from Discount Tire in Seattle. They were special order and took four days from Colorado.

      With the high load rating (8-ply equivalent), I don't have to worry about overloading them ever (unless I run them seriously underinflated). I've got 50 lbs. in them now and just got back from a trip around Eastern Washington State. Ride is better than the Michelins they replaced, and traction seems to be excellent, but at 50 lbs. inflation there was a little sidewall flex on fast cornering. Noise is roughly the same as the Michelins; maybe a little quieter. Gas mileage on the trip was 20.2, which is just about a record for this vehicle.

      The tread is asymmetrical and the tire is M+S rated--a true four-season tire.

      The tires can be inflated up to 70 lbs, so I'm going to try 55 or 60 or so to see if that will firm up the handling without making the ride too stiff.


    17. 09-13-2009 06:07 PM #17
      Here's a link to the tire on Nokian's site:

      http://www.nokiantires.com/tyr...C+Van


    18. 09-25-2009 04:14 PM #18
      Looking for tires for an 03 weekender,called Tirerack and was told that they had noted 235-60-16 as an alternate size for the van and there are several tires available in the 100-102 load rating.Has anybody tried this size on the stock alloys 225-60-16,what is the downside?

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      09-28-2009 01:56 PM #19
      Yes, I have that size, there is some minor running when the steering is locked all the way..right or left - can't remember. But I've had them on the van for over a year now and they're fine. They're General Altimax RT.
      I'd buy them again.

      Ian


    20. 10-24-2009 11:29 PM #20
      I have the Kuhmo Road Venture APT KL51 235/60. I was very happy with them until I realized the fronts are shot after 20K mi. I probably ran them under inflated a bit for too long. And never rotated them =(.

      The taller than stock size makes zero noticeable difference on the speedo or power on the road. My speedo matches my GPS reading exactly. Clearance is no problem.


    21. 10-26-2010 03:00 PM #21
      After looking through a number of mfg. I just purchased Nokian Entyre 225 60 R 16 102 H. This has a 50K tread warranty.

      Hope they do better then the Dunlops I had.

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      10-26-2010 05:26 PM #22
      seriously?.........dude, this topic was started 3 years ago

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      01-14-2011 12:56 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by speedtek40 View Post
      seriously?.........dude, this topic was started 3 years ago
      Yeah, but people are still wondering what to do. I know I am.

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      01-14-2011 05:03 PM #24
      There is an excellent string of posts in the FAQ's at the top of the postings list. I think the issue with finding tires is behind us now. If you cant find our crazy factory size of 225/60/16, dont sweat it. This is a beefed-up passenger tire anyway. It appears that some of the new SUV's out there use 235/60/16's, which means you now have a bit of a selection to choose from. I'll bet they all (or most) ride better anyway and all probably have the higher load rating (not to mention I've seen some crazy low prices under $100/tire). Happy shopping!

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      01-14-2011 10:14 PM #25
      Nokian Entyres = after 2 months and about 2000 miles.

      Nokian WRG2's = after 20,000 miles

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      01-15-2011 12:01 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by vwbugstuff View Post
      Nokian Entyres = after 2 months and about 2000 miles.

      Nokian WRG2's = after 20,000 miles
      What's wrong with the WRG2s? I've got about 1000 miles on a set, and no issues yet. They are a fuzz louder than the Michelin 3-seasons they replaced- which was expected - and they handle much better on wet, dry, snowy and icy pavement.

    27. 01-15-2011 12:45 PM #27
      I have been using the Kumho Road Venture 235/60 R 16 for 20,000 miles now and they are great. They are not even half worn. They are also quiet and do a pretty good job in the snow.

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      01-15-2011 01:57 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by vwbugstuff View Post
      Nokian Entyres = after 2 months and about 2000 miles.

      Nokian WRG2's = after 20,000 miles

      Good info!

      My wife backed our van into something years ago and while it was repaired, it does seem pushed in slightly and I worry about clearance issues with 235's.

      Where did you get your Nokian enTyres? A local shop that deals in Nokain snow tires says they can't get them.

      I see a place called tire-easy has them online for $117 plus shipping, which is a lot cheaper than locally sourced 235 Michelins, but I have never heard of this place.

      any one have recent good or bad experiences with this outfit?

      http://www.tires-easy.com/start.html

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      01-15-2011 11:47 PM #29
      Two thumbs up for tires-easy.com. I've ordered three sets of tires (including the Entyres) from them - excellent prices and super speedy shipping. Highly recommended.

      As for the WRG2's - had them for less than two years. Rotated every 6500 miles. Very noisy starting at 18,000 miles and down to the bottom wear bars after 23,000 miles. There was no way they were going to make it through another winter. No treadwear warranty from Nokian.

      The Entyres are quiet and the ride & handling are very good. I only wish they had just a tad more grip in the Chicago snow, but overall I'm very happy with them.

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      01-16-2011 11:21 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by vwbugstuff View Post
      Two thumbs up for tires-easy.com. I've ordered three sets of tires (including the Entyres) from them - excellent prices and super speedy shipping. Highly recommended.

      As for the WRG2's - had them for less than two years. Rotated every 6500 miles. Very noisy starting at 18,000 miles and down to the bottom wear bars after 23,000 miles. There was no way they were going to make it through another winter. No treadwear warranty from Nokian.

      The Entyres are quiet and the ride & handling are very good. I only wish they had just a tad more grip in the Chicago snow, but overall I'm very happy with them.
      Thanks for taking the time to reply. I have been happy with Nokian snows, so I was sort of happy to see they were now making an all season that met the van's original specs. Nokian needs to market them better as none of the dealers I found using Nokian's own dealer search feature on their web site ever heard of them!

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      01-19-2011 09:28 PM #31
      Just to follow up in case anyone looks in here down the road...

      Ordered the Nokian enTyre from tire-easy.com

      Tires are not mounted yet, but ordering thru tire-easy was, well, easy. I ordered on Sunday night, had the tires by Wednesday morning. Can't do much better than that!

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      01-20-2011 10:27 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by vwbugstuff View Post
      As for the WRG2's - had them for less than two years. Rotated every 6500 miles. Very noisy starting at 18,000 miles and down to the bottom wear bars after 23,000 miles. There was no way they were going to make it through another winter. No treadwear warranty from Nokian.

      The Entyres are quiet and the ride & handling are very good. I only wish they had just a tad more grip in the Chicago snow, but overall I'm very happy with them.
      How long have you had the Entyres? My understanding was that the tread compound of the two tires was similar if not identical, but the WRG2 has siping and snow channeling.

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      01-22-2011 12:59 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by J Haser View Post
      After looking through a number of mfg. I just purchased Nokian Entyre 225 60 R 16 102 H. This has a 50K tread warranty.

      Hope they do better then the Dunlops I had.
      Are you sure about the 50K warranty? I just talked to the guy at tires-easy and he said there was no warranty on the Entyres.

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      01-22-2011 03:50 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by a1junkie View Post
      How long have you had the Entyres?
      About two months and 2000-ish miles.

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