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      04-27-2012 05:26 PM #16226
      Now that we are going to get a 4 team playoff, I have some thoughts on eligibility of the 4 teams...

      1. Conference champ only? No... I know this will please the SEC contingent here but I actually think that winning the conference is not a necessary requirement because **** happens. If you have 4 conferences full of duds (like last year when only SEC, Pac12, and Big12 had "playoff worthy" teams), it limits the field too much with the conference champ requirement. We may end up with a mediocre ACC or Big East champ instead of a 1-loss powerhouse SEC or Pac12 team. That's not what we want to see. Which leads me to #2...

      2. How about we make winning a division a requirement? This preserves the idea that you need to "take care of business" during the regular season. If you can't even win your division, you have no business playing for the national champ (yes, that would mean Alabama will be left out last year, a scenario I'm perfectly happy to accept, based on the evidence the title game absolutely sucked). However, if we impose the division champ rule, it will mean...

      3. All conferences should be required to split into divisions and play a title game. Crown your conference champ on the field. I actually think this will happen anyway without any rules with Big East close to reaching 12 teams and Mountain-USA amalgamation. Sunbelt and WAC can similarly form a football only alliance and play an extra game.

      4. What about conferences playing different number of games? Let's fix that too. Pac12, Big12, and Big Ten want to play 9 game conference schedule. Personally, I think that's ok if only SEC does the same. But we all know that ain't happening so let's mandate each conference MUST play 8 conference games (4 home and 4 away... no exceptions!). The remaining 4 games are reserve for non-conference play - but (and this is important) at least 1 of those non-conference game must be away game at another FBS school. And if you schedule a FCS home game, you must play 2 FBS away games. Now, we can't stop SEC teams from beating up on Troy or UAB but I think overall, this sort of scheduling requirements will even the field a bit.

      5. So what about teams not in a conference? They can't win a "division" (see #2 above) so they can't qualify for playoffs. We have to come up with an "equivalent" litmus test. Here is how to do it - Notre Dame and BYU (let's not beat around the bush) have to play a competitive schedule. If they want to be in the final 4, their strength of schedule cannot be lower than the weakest strength of schedule of any teams ranked in the top 10. Yes, it is somewhat arbitrary but these schools chose not to be in a conference in an arbitrary decision so if they want the "normal" rules, they can join a conference.

      Anyway, this is just something I've been thinking about in terms of eligibility to participate in the final 4 playoff. Now, I don't want to go into on how the rankings or polls should be administered but I'm sure you'll find no shortage of opinion on the internet.

    2. 04-29-2012 12:04 AM #16227
      We agree on most here.

      Honestly - im torn on the conference winner part. If they would do a proper 8 team playoff then it is no big deal.

      This really would have helped in 2006 when you had Michigan and Ohio state with USC and Florida.

      Do you rank them based on BCS # and 1 v 4 and 2 v 3?

      I would have to say that if there were 5 teams (which i do not think this has been a problem but it could be) and 4 are conf winners and the other is like last years Alabama - how do you pick Bama over the conf winners?

      And if you do then you basically are going to force a 6 or 8 school playoff.

      Like you said everyone has an opinion.

      Personally id go with a 6 school. Rank an overall strength for the 6 power conferences. Top 4 conferences get the auto bids. The last 2 spots would be determined by the BCS formula. That way the Big East does not get an auto bid for being bad but if 3 or 4 schools became elite the winner would get their shot.

      It is nice to see the Rose Bowl P12 and B1G are not standing in the way this time
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      04-30-2012 02:07 PM #16228
      The reason I didn't want to go into how the rankings will be determined is because it is a different question than eligibility. My post only concern eligibility... the BCS formula is a mess and it will have to be reformed as well.

      I think the bare minimum would be that coaches poll need to be eliminated from BCS formula. You can't have self-interested parties voting on something that determines a playoff. The second most obvious change that needs to happen is that the computer rankings need to be transparent (so mistakes can be spotted), and needs to be statistically meaningful (so margin of victory HAS to be part of the formula). The secret computer rankings has no place in the revised BCS formula.

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      05-04-2012 08:08 PM #16229
      RIP WAC football...

      Who knew Nebraska moving to Big 10 and Texas getting its own cable network will result in WAC death.

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      05-07-2012 12:25 PM #16230
      Quote Originally Posted by bzcat View Post
      RIP WAC football...

      Who knew Nebraska moving to Big 10 and Texas getting its own cable network will result in WAC death.
      *needs citation


      It's sad that the the WAC may only continue for Olympic sports but the second part of your post is a stretch at best.
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      05-07-2012 03:07 PM #16231
      Quote Originally Posted by LinkATX View Post
      *needs citation


      It's sad that the the WAC may only continue for Olympic sports but the second part of your post is a stretch at best.
      Oh please... if you need citation for that, you haven't been paying attention the last 18 months

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      05-07-2012 06:28 PM #16232
      Ha, OK. If you believe that it was only the last 18 months that had anything to do with the WAC failing, well I guess we can end the conversation. FWIW, the WAC's fall started in the late 70's when both Arizona schools left for the new PAC-10. That's when they lost their major bowl tie, the Fiesta. Conference membership changes are not a new trend, the money tied to the auto-bids and bowl affiliations are. I suppose you could point the finger at Jim Delaney; I just have a hard time blaming someone for doing their job by acting proactively to protect the viability of their conference when the writing has been on the wall since the birth of the BCS.

      I'd love to hear your argument that supports your original statement though...
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      05-07-2012 07:26 PM #16233
      Quote Originally Posted by LinkATX View Post
      Ha, OK. If you believe that it was only the last 18 months that had anything to do with the WAC failing, well I guess we can end the conversation. FWIW, the WAC's fall started in the late 70's when both Arizona schools left for the new PAC-10. That's when they lost their major bowl tie, the Fiesta. Conference membership changes are not a new trend, the money tied to the auto-bids and bowl affiliations are. I suppose you could point the finger at Jim Delaney; I just have a hard time blaming someone for doing their job by acting proactively to protect the viability of their conference when the writing has been on the wall since the birth of the BCS.

      I'd love to hear your argument that supports your original statement though...
      WAC's 1970s salad days has nothing to do with WAC in the 2010s. And no, Arizona schools leaving WAC for PAC10 didn't really fatally injure WAC. They still had Holiday Bowl, which was way bigger deal than Fiesta Bowl back then. The Arizona schools move did set in motion the domino that eventually killed Big West Football. The parallels are uncanny to the latest round of conference musical chairs.

      The latest round of conference realignment started with Nebraska leaving the Big 12. I like to hear you debate that was not the domino that start it all this time around. But the domino wouldn't have fell all the way down to FCS leagues had Texas not decide to move ahead with the Longhorn Network. I'm not saying these are bad things... or pointing fingers. I'm just saying that these 2 events lead to the demise of WAC football.

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      05-07-2012 08:06 PM #16234
      I agree with most of your post, but still feel the WAC (along with most of the other "have not" conferences) were doomed from the inception of the BCS. They over expanded in response and had schools with relatively small budgets traveling thousands of miles to play. Yes, this round of expansion was started with Nebraska and fueled by the LHN like you stated. I felt like your initial post was a bit short sighted is all (in wording).
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      05-10-2012 04:00 PM #16235
      I bet Landry Jones is regretting not entering the draft after this...
      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...f=twitter_feed

      If these guys don't return, I believe that will leave Jones one receiver that has recorded a catch previously!
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      05-11-2012 06:58 PM #16236

    12. 05-12-2012 03:52 PM #16237
      Quote Originally Posted by bzcat View Post
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      05-14-2012 04:03 PM #16238
      MORE realignment?!?!?

      Florida State's President makes a statement:

      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...2_a7&eref=sihp
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      05-14-2012 05:38 PM #16239
      You know the collective alumni/booster community has completely lost its head and common sense when the President of an University has to write a letter like that. Even for Free Shoe University, this is a new low.

      And what happened to the gentleman's agreement to never take an academic pot shot at another conference? It's ironic to hear FSU making a fuss about the inferior academics of Big 12. They certainly did their part to lower the academic perception of ACC.

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      05-19-2012 11:35 AM #16240
      There are so many implications from this. College football be a changing'!
      http://m.si.com/news/cfb_sp/to_cfb_s...detail/4956775
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      06-10-2012 09:23 PM #16241
      Thought this was an entertaining, if outlandish read. Was a little difficult to keep up with deeper into the story but I figured this for a 'what if' senario is as good as any other 'what ifs' we've discussed here over the past five years.

      What if Chris Leak had gotten that first down against LSU in '04?
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      06-10-2012 11:15 PM #16242
      Fun read.

      I remember that game because I remember I got insanely drunk that night and wound up being hungover for a day and a half.

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      06-21-2012 06:33 AM #16243
      From ESPNU.com

      http://espn.go.com/college-football/...otball-playoff

      IMO; there still will be the schools or conferences who will will have issues with the selection process (selected 4 teams). And I really hate that they're leaving it up to a committee to select the teams.
      Who will this committee consist of; writers, former coaches, current coaches, commissioners.........who?
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      06-21-2012 09:57 AM #16244
      Can someone tell me how Dabo is pulling 5 stars and #1 recruits away from schools like Bama and LSU?

      Clemson gets great HS players every year and it never ceases to amaze me.

    20. 06-21-2012 10:36 AM #16245
      Quote Originally Posted by e_dub View Post
      From ESPNU.com

      http://espn.go.com/college-football/...otball-playoff

      IMO; there still will be the schools or conferences who will will have issues with the selection process (selected 4 teams). And I really hate that they're leaving it up to a committee to select the teams.
      Who will this committee consist of; writers, former coaches, current coaches, commissioners.........who?
      should be the 6 power conference commissioners and 2-3 from the smaller conferences so they get a say as well.

      Then again Utah, TCU, and Boise are now all in a power conf so this might be a moot point
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      06-21-2012 12:13 PM #16246
      Quote Originally Posted by JustinCSVT View Post
      Can someone tell me how Dabo is pulling 5 stars and #1 recruits away from schools like Bama and LSU?

      Clemson gets great HS players every year and it never ceases to amaze me.

    22. 06-21-2012 01:02 PM #16247
      Quote Originally Posted by JustinCSVT View Post
      Can someone tell me how Dabo is pulling 5 stars and #1 recruits away from schools like Bama and LSU?

      Clemson gets great HS players every year and it never ceases to amaze me.
      a chance at playing instead of competing with the best of the best for playing time

      If you are a 5 star recruit at RB and Bama has signed 2 other 5 star RBs - why would you go to Bama? Going to Clemson you will get exposure and more playing time. Both of these will get you give you a better shot at the NFL

      just my theory
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      06-21-2012 03:56 PM #16248
      Quote Originally Posted by e_dub View Post
      From ESPNU.com

      http://espn.go.com/college-football/...otball-playoff

      IMO; there still will be the schools or conferences who will will have issues with the selection process (selected 4 teams). And I really hate that they're leaving it up to a committee to select the teams.
      Who will this committee consist of; writers, former coaches, current coaches, commissioners.........who?


      Quote Originally Posted by Juiced6 View Post
      should be the 6 power conference commissioners and 2-3 from the smaller conferences so they get a say as well.

      Then again Utah, TCU, and Boise are now all in a power conf so this might be a moot point
      Having the selection committee consist of conference commissioners seems like a bad idea. Besides the obvious conflict of interest, I seriously doubt they have time to watch enough football to make an unbiased decision. As long as there is transparency in the process and clear guidelines (emphasis on conference champs, SOS), former coaches seem like the best choice. They know college football better than most and they probably have the time/will to watch a lot of football.

      Either way, the BCS (as we know it) is dead! Amen!
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      06-21-2012 04:26 PM #16249
      Quote Originally Posted by Juiced6 View Post
      a chance at playing instead of competing with the best of the best for playing time

      If you are a 5 star recruit at RB and Bama has signed 2 other 5 star RBs - why would you go to Bama? Going to Clemson you will get exposure and more playing time. Both of these will get you give you a better shot at the NFL

      just my theory
      This.

      Why sit the bench or split time with 3-4 other guys when you can be a star somewhere else?

    25. 06-21-2012 05:06 PM #16250
      Quote Originally Posted by LinkATX View Post
      Having the selection committee consist of conference commissioners seems like a bad idea. Besides the obvious conflict of interest, I seriously doubt they have time to watch enough football to make an unbiased decision. As long as there is transparency in the process and clear guidelines (emphasis on conference champs, SOS), former coaches seem like the best choice. They know college football better than most and they probably have the time/will to watch a lot of football.

      Either way, the BCS (as we know it) is dead! Amen!
      I don't see it being bad because we know these commissioners wont vote for an all SEC final 4. Hell it would be tough just to get a second team in
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