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    Thread: *** DENSITY LINE MOUNTS - MKIV Platform - 1.8T ***

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      11-30-2007 07:43 PM #26
      I always recommend the Street Density for the everyday road going vehicle.
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    2. 11-30-2007 08:02 PM #27
      Thanks for the advice. I should be ordering within the month then! [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

    3. 11-30-2007 09:39 PM #28
      I must admit I am very excited. These StreetDensity mounts are aiming my way and will be installed ASA I get them!!!
      This year Christmas for my 337 means 034 mounts.

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      11-30-2007 10:45 PM #29
      IM excited for these to arrive as well. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      11-30-2007 11:31 PM #30
      just got a set of tranny and motor street density mounts for my A4, cant wait to get em in...
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      12-01-2007 11:45 AM #31
      I smell hardened rubber Control Arm bushings and sway bar links

    7. 12-01-2007 02:42 PM #32
      besides feeling the engine more.. would there be any adverse effects to putting these on a daily driver?
      90% stiffer sounds better than 25% to me, but I don't have anything to compare it too either.

    8. 12-01-2007 02:42 PM #33
      will you ship to greece?
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      12-01-2007 03:04 PM #34
      Quote, originally posted by 18Tdesign »
      besides feeling the engine more.. would there be any adverse effects to putting these on a daily driver?
      90% stiffer sounds better than 25% to me, but I don't have anything to compare it too either.

      If your going to put these on a daily driver then I recommend the street density units.
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    10. 12-02-2007 06:51 PM #35
      What durometer does the VF mounts use anyone?? That way I have something to compare to? I daily my TT but if the race are not that bad then I would just as well go with them.

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      12-02-2007 08:38 PM #37
      Quote, originally posted by ethorman »
      What durometer does the VF mounts use anyone?? That way I have something to compare to? I daily my TT but if the race are not that bad then I would just as well go with them.

      You mean the track?
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    13. 12-02-2007 10:53 PM #38
      Quote, originally posted by crazyass713 »
      check out this thread http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3567938

      good reading. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      I found it interesting that one person said his VF dogbone inserts cracked. My dogbone is an energy suspension if I remember correctly... or was it Prothane.. been a while. Anyhow, I just didn't realize that the polyurethane was prone to cracking like that. Guess I need to inspect mine for piece of mind.
      Sooo the mounts in this thread are not poly, right? Just a hard rubber? Harder than poly, or from reading about the different densities, perhaps that's all relative.
      As mentioned above, what is the density of each of these mounts?
      EDIT: Nevermind, I will just do the math. If the OEM are 50A as stated in the linked post and your street are 25% stiffer...
      That would make them approx. 62.5A.
      The Track mounts (at 90% stiffer) would then be approx. 95A.
      Is this accurate?



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      12-03-2007 03:40 AM #39
      Every VF dogbone insert i've seen installed on a big turbo car has puked out the bushings repeatedly. The bushings do not have enough bearing area and they are too soft. Putting harder ones in makes them rattle like hell.
      I prefer the stock mount with an insert. It vibrates less too.

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      12-04-2007 02:15 AM #40
      Quote, originally posted by 18Tdesign »
      EDIT: Nevermind, I will just do the math. If the OEM are 50A as stated in the linked post and your street are 25% stiffer...
      That would make them approx. 62.5A.
      The Track mounts (at 90% stiffer) would then be approx. 95A.

      The Street Density are 60A and the Track units are 80A.
      The Track Density units will be stiffer than anything currently available on the market.
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      12-04-2007 11:30 AM #41
      very nice, I think I'm going to need a set soon
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      12-04-2007 02:57 PM #42
      Ok now youve got me strongly considering these just a quick question .
      Currently I'm running a T3s60 but this spring i'll be stepping it up to a 3071R. I drive the car basically everyday to and from work, and will be tracking it on weekends.
      Now with the exception of rattles which don't bother me at all, is there any reason I should NOT run the track density?
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      12-04-2007 03:28 PM #43
      Quote, originally posted by Navydub »
      Now with the exception of rattles which don't bother me at all, is there any reason I should NOT run the track density?

      None that I can think of.
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    19. 12-04-2007 04:13 PM #44
      Will the street density mounts be enough to stop wheel hop or should I get the track density? It's not really bad wheel hop, just sometimes when I get on it too hard from a stop it'll hop.

    20. 12-04-2007 05:08 PM #45
      Just ordered all 3 Track Density. Looking forward to trying them out.

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      12-04-2007 07:56 PM #46
      Quote, originally posted by WOB-SH573 »
      Just ordered all 3 Track Density. Looking forward to trying them out.

      you're going to love these mounts!

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      12-07-2007 08:44 PM #47
      Quote, originally posted by Density Mount Install, Mk4 GTI »
      A good friend of the shop Jimmy Loushin, upon hearing about our Mk4 Density Mount release, started snooping around the shop with his hands in his pockets, flashing puppy dog eyes at us...how could we resist. "Alright Jimmy, pull your car in the back, Street Density it is!"

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      A shot of Jimmy's mounts before they were...mounted
      I would highlight the install of the mounts, but our tech Mike took about 30 minutes to install all 3 as per the factory procedure - nothing special. Since 034Motorsport Density Line mounts are built by an OE manufacturer to our specifications, they fit and are finished just like factory products. No slotting of holes, no untested designs, we simply take what the factory did, and make it better suited to performance applications.

      Our Street Density "Dogbone" Mount Installed. Looks like stock, but looks don't tell the whole story
      One grapple with a Density mount will quickly assure you these are not just re-boxed factory mounts, and no poly filling or other tricks of the trade to stiffen up an OE mount. We go right to the source of what makes these mounts resist engine movement - the rubber.
      A definition for rubber durometer is as follows: Hardness as a property of rubber is difficult to define except according to the methods used to determine it. These methods measure the resistance of the stock to indentation by the blunt point of a metal rod, ball, or needle. Thus the hardness of rubber can best be described as resistance to indentation. Various instruments measure indentation. The most common instrument used on rubber is the Durometer.

      A shot of the 034Motorsport Durometer Tester


      A picture of the Durometer being used on a factory mount to determine its "stiffness"
      Before we finalize on a given spec for the Street or Track density, OE sample mounts are tested with sample durometer ratings, generally the bigger the number the stiffer the mount. Most OE mounts fall in a 30-45 durometer range, rarely higher than this.
      Generally, Street Density mounts are developed to provide minimum drivetrain movement (or slop) with minimum NVH (noise, vibration and harshness). Usually the perfect balance results in a 50-60 durometer range, and a slight noticeable hum at idle and the faintest vibration. Most passengers, when entering the car, wouldn't feel it unless you pointed it out. Street Density mounts are perfect for the daily driven car where comfort and performance are both priorities, and a faster transfer of power is desired. Think of Street Density mounts like a "lowered, stiffer" suspension for your drivetrain.
      Track Density mounts are, for all practical purposes, solid mounts, with no concern for comfort or lack-of-vibration - only an unadultered lockdown of the drivetrain. Durometer vary in the 70-90 range, and result in a locked-down, fast reacting, razor sharp drivetrain. You hit the throttle, air rushes into the motor, TQ and HP are produced , transferred to the input shaft of the transmission - and instant power to all driven tires.
      The problem with OE mounts is that there is so much softening of the rubber in the mount to prevent NVH, that power delivery is compromised. The time lag between when you hit the throttle and when power is actually transferred can be greatly delayed. Instead of applying power to the ground, the first few rotations of the tire are spent loading up the squishy, high travel mounts. Also, shifts can get sloppy and even can be missed with such great drivetrain movement. Also, hard launches and drag launches cause the drivetrain to load up hard and bounce causing intercooler plumbing, wire harnesses and other components to be stressed, even causing damage to the motor or other ancillaries. We've even seen motors dent the hood !
      If you've spent time to modify your exhaust, put on a bigger turbo, chip your car or stiffen up your suspension, don't ignore the performance value of a properly controlled drivetrain. Faster power transfer, more precise handling, safety and longevity are to be gained with a drivetrain mounting system suited to the upgraded performance of your car.

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      12-09-2007 01:37 PM #48
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    24. 12-09-2007 05:46 PM #49
      What about something for a VR6, more namely an R32?
      Also, do you fill the voids or are these just harder mirror images of the stock rubber inserts?
      Anthony

    25. 12-09-2007 09:51 PM #50
      With the replacement of motor mounts new stretch bolts are in order. Do you provide these?

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