*** DENSITY LINE MOUNTS - MKIV Platform - 1.8T ***

[crazyass713]

check out this thread http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3567938

[INA]

Quote, originally posted by ethorman »

What durometer does the VF mounts use anyone?? That way I have something to compare to? I daily my TT but if the race are not that bad then I would just as well go with them.

You mean the track?

[18Tdesign]

Quote, originally posted by crazyass713 »

check out this thread http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3567938

good reading.

I found it interesting that one person said his VF dogbone inserts cracked. My dogbone is an energy suspension if I remember correctly... or was it Prothane.. been a while. Anyhow, I just didn't realize that the polyurethane was prone to cracking like that. Guess I need to inspect mine for piece of mind.

Sooo the mounts in this thread are not poly, right? Just a hard rubber? Harder than poly, or from reading about the different densities, perhaps that's all relative.

As mentioned above, what is the density of each of these mounts?

EDIT: Nevermind, I will just do the math. If the OEM are 50A as stated in the linked post and your street are 25% stiffer...

That would make them approx. 62.5A.
The Track mounts (at 90% stiffer) would then be approx. 95A.

Is this accurate?

Modified by 18Tdesign at 10:58 PM 12-2-2007

[turbo_20v]

Every VF dogbone insert i've seen installed on a big turbo car has puked out the bushings repeatedly. The bushings do not have enough bearing area and they are too soft. Putting harder ones in makes them rattle like hell.

I prefer the stock mount with an insert. It vibrates less too.

[INA]

Quote, originally posted by 18Tdesign »

EDIT: Nevermind, I will just do the math. If the OEM are 50A as stated in the linked post and your street are 25% stiffer... That would make them approx. 62.5A. The Track mounts (at 90% stiffer) would then be approx. 95A.

The Street Density are 60A and the Track units are 80A.

The Track Density units will be stiffer than anything currently available on the market.
Hope this Helps.

[20VT*J4]

very nice, I think I'm going to need a set soon

[Navydub]

Ok now youve got me strongly considering these just a quick question .

Currently I'm running a T3s60 but this spring i'll be stepping it up to a 3071R. I drive the car basically everyday to and from work, and will be tracking it on weekends.

Now with the exception of rattles which don't bother me at all, is there any reason I should NOT run the track density?

[INA]

Quote, originally posted by Navydub »

Now with the exception of rattles which don't bother me at all, is there any reason I should NOT run the track density?

None that I can think of.

[krautcar]

Will the street density mounts be enough to stop wheel hop or should I get the track density? It's not really bad wheel hop, just sometimes when I get on it too hard from a stop it'll hop.

[WOB-SH573]

Just ordered all 3 Track Density. Looking forward to trying them out.

[Jason@INA]

Quote, originally posted by WOB-SH573 »

Just ordered all 3 Track Density. Looking forward to trying them out.

you're going to love these mounts!

[INA]

Quote, originally posted by Density Mount Install, Mk4 GTI »

A good friend of the shop Jimmy Loushin, upon hearing about our Mk4 Density Mount release, started snooping around the shop with his hands in his pockets, flashing puppy dog eyes at us...how could we resist. "Alright Jimmy, pull your car in the back, Street Density it is!" Jimmy's Street Beast Chick Magnet A shot of Jimmy's mounts before they were...mounted I would highlight the install of the mounts, but our tech Mike took about 30 minutes to install all 3 as per the factory procedure - nothing special. Since 034Motorsport Density Line mounts are built by an OE manufacturer to our specifications, they fit and are finished just like factory products. No slotting of holes, no untested designs, we simply take what the factory did, and make it better suited to performance applications. Our Street Density "Dogbone" Mount Installed. Looks like stock, but looks don't tell the whole story One grapple with a Density mount will quickly assure you these are not just re-boxed factory mounts, and no poly filling or other tricks of the trade to stiffen up an OE mount. We go right to the source of what makes these mounts resist engine movement - the rubber. A definition for rubber durometer is as follows: Hardness as a property of rubber is difficult to define except according to the methods used to determine it. These methods measure the resistance of the stock to indentation by the blunt point of a metal rod, ball, or needle. Thus the hardness of rubber can best be described as resistance to indentation. Various instruments measure indentation. The most common instrument used on rubber is the Durometer. A shot of the 034Motorsport Durometer Tester A picture of the Durometer being used on a factory mount to determine its "stiffness" Before we finalize on a given spec for the Street or Track density, OE sample mounts are tested with sample durometer ratings, generally the bigger the number the stiffer the mount. Most OE mounts fall in a 30-45 durometer range, rarely higher than this. Generally, Street Density mounts are developed to provide minimum drivetrain movement (or slop) with minimum NVH (noise, vibration and harshness). Usually the perfect balance results in a 50-60 durometer range, and a slight noticeable hum at idle and the faintest vibration. Most passengers, when entering the car, wouldn't feel it unless you pointed it out. Street Density mounts are perfect for the daily driven car where comfort and performance are both priorities, and a faster transfer of power is desired. Think of Street Density mounts like a "lowered, stiffer" suspension for your drivetrain. Track Density mounts are, for all practical purposes, solid mounts, with no concern for comfort or lack-of-vibration - only an unadultered lockdown of the drivetrain. Durometer vary in the 70-90 range, and result in a locked-down, fast reacting, razor sharp drivetrain. You hit the throttle, air rushes into the motor, TQ and HP are produced , transferred to the input shaft of the transmission - and instant power to all driven tires. The problem with OE mounts is that there is so much softening of the rubber in the mount to prevent NVH, that power delivery is compromised. The time lag between when you hit the throttle and when power is actually transferred can be greatly delayed. Instead of applying power to the ground, the first few rotations of the tire are spent loading up the squishy, high travel mounts. Also, shifts can get sloppy and even can be missed with such great drivetrain movement. Also, hard launches and drag launches cause the drivetrain to load up hard and bounce causing intercooler plumbing, wire harnesses and other components to be stressed, even causing damage to the motor or other ancillaries. We've even seen motors dent the hood ! If you've spent time to modify your exhaust, put on a bigger turbo, chip your car or stiffen up your suspension, don't ignore the performance value of a properly controlled drivetrain. Faster power transfer, more precise handling, safety and longevity are to be gained with a drivetrain mounting system suited to the upgraded performance of your car. YOU CANT EVEN TELL!

Hope you guys enjpyed this Tech Article provided by 034 Motorsport

[INA]

[95GLX]

What about something for a VR6, more namely an R32?

Also, do you fill the voids or are these just harder mirror images of the stock rubber inserts?

Anthony

[18Tdesign]

With the replacement of motor mounts new stretch bolts are in order. Do you provide these?

[INA]

Quote, originally posted by 95GLX »

What about something for a VR6, more namely an R32? Also, do you fill the voids or are these just harder mirror images of the stock rubber inserts? Anthony

VR6 is coming soon.These are OEM replacements built to 034 Motorsport specifications.

Quote, originally posted by 18Tdesign »

With the replacement of motor mounts new stretch bolts are in order. Do you provide these?

We can if the buyer wants.

[Adam@Unitronic.ca]

Quote, originally posted by INA »

These are OEM replacements built to 034 Motorsport specifications.

That doesn't answer the question. Are they the same dimensios, ie a copy of OEM rubber inserts just in a different durometer or are they larger/different rubber pieces?

[INA]

Quote, originally posted by Adam@Unitronic.ca »

That doesn't answer the question. Are they the same dimensios, ie a copy of OEM rubber inserts just in a different durometer or are they larger/different rubber pieces?

There is no rubber inserts.....its 1 complete unit and yes they are different durometer to stock.

[Sketchykid]

still curious how you get the engine mount in there.

[INA]

Quote, originally posted by Sketchykid »

still curious how you get the engine mount in there.

Majic

[Jason@INA]

Quote, originally posted by INA »

Majic

houdini?

[Rogue Status]

Any way to get just the engine mount? I already have the Dogbone and Tranny mounts from BFI.

[Jason@INA]

Quote, originally posted by Rogue Status »

Any way to get just the engine mount? I already have the Dogbone and Tranny mounts from BFI.

check your im.

[WOB-SH573]

Mine showed up today! Looking forward to trying them out.

[kust0m337]

My StreetDensities are installed since Monday.

The mounts really changed the way the car handles; its not subtle, I can really feel an improvement in the way the engine's torque is delivered to the wheels. Its hard to explain but when I step on the accelerator the power transfer is simply BETTER. Shifting through gears feels solid too. I've spent (IMO, a lot of) $$$ on improving power alone, but these mounts help in making the most out of it.

There was, however, an as-equally-noticeable increase in NVH. I did some highway driving and at 90-100mph in 6th gear the exhaust was droning quite a bit. Some trim bits have started to rattle, I'll have to isolate them better but it should be a piece of cake. My car is a DD so I guess if I had the Tracks in I could be really annoyed, but with the Streets its all in the margins of reasonable (and that is subjective I know).

to 034 and INA for these mounts!

[INA]

Quote, originally posted by kust0m337 »

My StreetDensities are installed since Monday. The mounts really changed the way the car handles; its not subtle, I can really feel an improvement in the way the engine's torque is delivered to the wheels. Its hard to explain but when I step on the accelerator the power transfer is simply BETTER. Shifting through gears feels solid too. I've spent (IMO, a lot of) $$$ on improving power alone, but these mounts help in making the most out of it. There was, however, an as-equally-noticeable increase in NVH. I did some highway driving and at 90-100mph in 6th gear the exhaust was droning quite a bit. Some trim bits have started to rattle, I'll have to isolate them better but it should be a piece of cake. My car is a DD so I guess if I had the Tracks in I could be really annoyed, but with the Streets its all in the margins of reasonable (and that is subjective I know). to 034 and INA for these mounts!

Thanks for the honest review....much appreciated. for you for taking the time to do this for me

[kust0m337]

Quote, originally posted by INA »

Thanks for the honest review....much appreciated. for you for taking the time to do this for me

NP!!! I really my new mounts!!!!

[greek 1.8t]

Quote, originally posted by kust0m337 »

My StreetDensities are installed since Monday. The mounts really changed the way the car handles; its not subtle, I can really feel an improvement in the way the engine's torque is delivered to the wheels. Its hard to explain but when I step on the accelerator the power transfer is simply BETTER. Shifting through gears feels solid too. I've spent (IMO, a lot of) $$$ on improving power alone, but these mounts help in making the most out of it. There was, however, an as-equally-noticeable increase in NVH. I did some highway driving and at 90-100mph in 6th gear the exhaust was droning quite a bit. Some trim bits have started to rattle, I'll have to isolate them better but it should be a piece of cake. My car is a DD so I guess if I had the Tracks in I could be really annoyed, but with the Streets its all in the margins of reasonable (and that is subjective I know). to 034 and INA for these mounts!

thats good to hear got mine 2 cant wait to see what there like but unfortunately my car will be offroad for a little longer

made a little vid of my stock 1s compared to the street density 1s!

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3594353

top stuff ina / 034 just wish you would advertise your stuff alltogether and not release stuff every week

please no more till after the holidays ye?

[INA]

Quote, originally posted by greek 1.8t »

no more till after the holidays ye?

I got some hot stuff coming out in around christmas day....

[greek 1.8t]

Quote, originally posted by INA »

I got some hot stuff coming out in around christmas day....

note to self: stay away from the tex

[G-Shock]

I think I might need to buy these.

[gofastGTI]

I want a dogbone mount, sweet deal!!

[Jason@INA]

Quote, originally posted by INA »

[PjS860ct]

how much for just the Engine Mount (track) already have bfi trans and dogbone stg2 mounts

thanks

[UmbroVR6]

i know the vr6 was mentioned as coming soon. that does include the R32 correct?