BakBer!

[VReihen6]

Quote, originally posted by BakBer »

so maybe I'll unplug mine and see or i'll just take C2's word for it. Jeff have you checked your codes lately? It may have given a code by now.

yes checked it after the 600 mile drive home in springfield, only 2 codes.

[proshot]

I got a cel from it.

I was under the assumption that sai only ran once on start up and that was it. Is this correct? I'm beginning to believe it is not because after I clear the code, the cel doesn't come back on at start up, it will come on while I'm just randomly driving around. It's never a set time that it comes on either, it's random. Sometimes it will come back within 20 miles, other times it won't come on for 150-200 miles. This confuses the hell out of me.

[.SLEEPYDUB.]

proshot...this is way off topic, but i just realized that it was you that added me on myspace a while back with that goofy smile on your face like u just got road head or something haha!

anyways, back on topic

[RipCity Euros]

[Jefnes3]

Quote, originally posted by proshot »

I got a cel from it. I was under the assumption that sai only ran once on start up and that was it. Is this correct? I'm beginning to believe it is not because after I clear the code, the cel doesn't come back on at start up, it will come on while I'm just randomly driving around. It's never a set time that it comes on either, it's random. Sometimes it will come back within 20 miles, other times it won't come on for 150-200 miles. This confuses the hell out of me.

The air pump runs other times too. It keeps the cat 'stocked' with oxygen.
i.e. when the rear o2 picks up 'rich' for a while the pump turns on so any excess fuel can get burned in the cat.

-Jeff

[VReihen6]

Quote, originally posted by Jefnes3 »

The air pump runs other times too. It keeps the cat 'stocked' with oxygen. i.e. when the rear o2 picks up 'rich' for a while the pump turns on so any excess fuel can get burned in the cat. -Jeff

[RipCity Euros]

Is that the only thing the air pump does? so no cat, no need for the pump?

[VReihen6]

Quote, originally posted by RipCity Euros »

Is that the only thing the air pump does? so no cat, no need for the pump?

no need for the pump either way

unless you have emissions testing

[proshot]

Quote, originally posted by VR6JettaGLI »

proshot...this is way off topic, but i just realized that it was you that added me on myspace a while back with that goofy smile on your face like u just got road head or something haha! anyways, back on topic

Hahah yep, that's me .

Quote, originally posted by Jefnes3 »

The air pump runs other times too. It keeps the cat 'stocked' with oxygen. i.e. when the rear o2 picks up 'rich' for a while the pump turns on so any excess fuel can get burned in the cat. -Jeff

You're the man Jeff .

[RipCity Euros]

Quote, originally posted by JeffBeagley »

unless you have emissions testing

*most* people do. Not everyone is blessed with emissionless states or whatever your situation is. Either way, i wont run a cat...

[BakBer]

I haven't forgot. These parts were going to be made this week but the laser at work is down.

[kurty85]

Can you still add me to the list?

-kurty85

[BakBer]

yep...i probably won't have these till the first of the year. I'm off work till the 2nd

[BakBer]

Quote, originally posted by BakBer »

ok list PowerDubs proshot platinumedVR6 "b/c him and proshot are friends and I can make one shipment" VR6JettaGLI pm me and I'll add you to the list

kurty85
Badstuw


Modified by BakBer at 9:10 PM 12-21-2007

[BakBer]

Ok I have parts. I will take pictures tonight and post. Remember they will be $5 shipped and an extra $2 for polished or sand balsted parts. Also remember that these will give a CEL. I have 20 to sell. The following is a list of the people that requested a part.

PowerDubs
proshot
platinumedVR6 "b/c him and proshot are friends and I can make one shipment"
VR6JettaGLI
kurty85
Badstuw

[BakBer]

Remove your EGR valve. It is the part to the right.

Then replace with EGR block off plate. Use a small bead of silicone to seal the plate. You will need to get a nut to hold the OEM bolt on b/c the bolts were threaded into the EGR valve. The nut and bolt size is M6x1.0

Your part should look something like this installed.

You are now free to remove your SAI pump.

I do not recommend doing this to your car. I made this part upon request and will not be held responsible for any CEL's or engine damage. This is a modification of your car emission equipment and is probably illegal in some states.

I would like to do a group buy so I only have to go to the post office once. I'll be going to find some small bubble wrap lined envelopes to mail these in during my lunch break tomorrow. If anyone wants their part polished or bead blasted let me know and it will cost $2 more than the $5 price.

[rajvosa71000]

I think this is the stupidest mod ever, why do it? so you can drive with a CEL?
BTW, if your O2 sensor is reading rich or lean wouldn't that affect your performance?

[VReihen6]

Quote, originally posted by rajvosa71000 »

I think this is the stupidest mod ever, why do it? so you can drive with a CEL? BTW, if your O2 sensor is reading rich or lean wouldn't that affect your performance?

you like a cluttered engine bay? i sure dont.

and my 02 reads perfect. i have an a/f gauge.

[BakBer]

Quote, originally posted by rajvosa71000 »

I think this is the stupidest mod ever, why do it? so you can drive with a CEL? BTW, if your O2 sensor is reading rich or lean wouldn't that affect your performance?

the only function of the SAI is to pump oxygen into the exhaust if the post cat o2 sensor reads rich. once the air is pumped in it accelerates the catalyst to change the reading on the post cat o2 sensor. There is a little more to that. Jeff at C2 explained it on the 1st page of this thread.

This can be a good mod for turboed cars that have wide band and standalone. pressure building up in the exhaust manifold before the turbo can back up to the EGR valve.

Remember I was asked to make this part after JeffBeagley posted up the picture up of the one I made for him while he was hanging out at my house.


Modified by BakBer at 12:24 AM 1-10-2008

[BakBer]

proshot
platinumedVR6
kurty85
Badstuw

The $5 shipped price will only apply to the people that I have on the above list. The packing and shipping is causing me to not make any money and I'm pretty much giving them away but I'm sticking to my original price to the people that requested one. I will be putting the parts I have left in the classifieds for $15 shipped.

My paypal: baker.justin.t@gmail.com

I will ship as soon as I receive payment from the 4 people on the list. These will be shipped in a bubble envelope via United States Post Office.

PM me for any questions

[Badstuw]

payment sent! thanks for makin these man.

[Corradokcid]

Quote, originally posted by Jefnes3 »

Its fairly simple, really. There are several equipment tests that use SAI pump. One of them is testing for the MAIN oxygen sensor. When the pump is removed the ecu will be unable to perform the test and assumes the o2 sensor to be 'bad', thus ignores signals from the o2 sensor. ALL VW obd2 cars do this, back to mk3. This is the logically safe condition. You can see this by watching vag-com. Look at block 001 after you have removed the pump/valve, you will see live lambda trim ~frozen at zero. My opinion: its a bad idea to disable o2 control on the ME7 since it uses full time wideband control. Can this be 'fixed' in software: sure, I can keep the o2 control loop functional. (there are emission test consequences) -Jeff

i really dont think you guys get what jeffnes is saying...... your basically removing somthing because of looks that is a great feature

full time wideband on factory management is a amazing feature

i cant wait till obd3 comes out for even more controll.....ask a big block marine engine guy about it he'll explain

more controll= better ability to make power and safer because you can see and controll more parameters of a motor......

yes removing this doesnt make you lose power but it does take away a great stock ecu feature.....its one of the reason obd2 is better then obd1 (more controll) remember we are working with pumps that controll explosions the better controll we have over the explosion the better engines run......

so do what you want....but ask a mechanical engineer what he thinks and i bet you'll get the same answer that jeff stated

[MeiK]

Quote, originally posted by Corradokcid »

i cant wait till obd3 comes out for even more controll.....ask a big block marine engine guy about it he'll explain

Cyclative emissions readiness on OBD3 = the end of us cheating past emissions testing.

Just throwing that out there. lol


Modified by MeiK at 11:11 AM 1-15-2008

[kungfoojesus]

Quote, originally posted by proshot »

I got a cel from it. I was under the assumption that sai only ran once on start up and that was it. Is this correct? I'm beginning to believe it is not because after I clear the code, the cel doesn't come back on at start up, it will come on while I'm just randomly driving around. It's never a set time that it comes on either, it's random. Sometimes it will come back within 20 miles, other times it won't come on for 150-200 miles. This confuses the hell out of me.

That is the theory but I specifically recall mine turning on after I would come to a stop in traffic a couple miles from my house. So easy to hear that whiney thing if you're listening.

What is the point of creating more pollution anyway? These engines have electronic warm start features, which is why they're better than OBD1 for the environment and on internals upon cold starts. This mod doesn't make power so I don't see the point but its cool for guys that like show cars!


Modified by kungfoojesus at 10:17 AM 1-15-2008

[joeysmoey]

I've got a 1.8t (AWW) and I want to block the port on the head. If this will work I will take six of these.

[BakBer]

Quote, originally posted by joeysmoey »

I've got a 1.8t (AWW) and I want to block the port on the head. If this will work I will take six of these.

You have PM

[joeysmoey]

Here is the pic of my head port on engine code (AWW) LMK

[BakBer]

[joeysmoey]

Ok, Thanks for the pic, I see that your two mounting holes are roughly 1.75" ouside edge to outside edge and mine are 1.55" so I don't think this will work for me. Thanks anyway, nice product!

[BakBer]

Quote, originally posted by joeysmoey »

Ok, Thanks for the pic, I see that your two mounting holes are roughly 1.75" ouside edge to outside edge and mine are 1.55" so I don't think this will work for me. Thanks anyway, nice product!

You have PM

[03gleye]