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    Thread: BG MOA oil additive and 44k fuel system cleaner

    1. 01-20-2008 10:53 PM #1
      I was out of town for work but my GF took my car to the dealer and had them perform the 20k service.

      Well the dealer also added and charged for BG's MOA oil additive and 44k fuel system cleaner. I don't like that they did this without asking her so that she could of consulted me on the topic first. However, does anyone know anything about these products. I've seen BG's literature which of course is positive, but I'm not sure if this is worth it or is just a way for the dealer to make a few extra dollars.

      Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks


    2. 01-21-2008 02:26 AM #2
      i've used it when i was in tech school and it works great
      the fact they did it and charged more without asking

    3. 01-21-2008 03:28 AM #3
      Yeah, I also used both and they are great products. At work, they use them on the fleet which maintains our long idling cars...We actually took an engine block out of a car and opened it to check the valves and they were clean!!! I was like "WOW". So the stuff really works.

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      01-21-2008 04:40 AM #4
      same here we use bg products at work....never had any complaints about them at all

    5. 01-21-2008 08:12 AM #5
      hold on...oil additive?

      i'm pretty sure vwoa wants nothing in your crank case except vw approved oil, what the $%^^ are they adding additive for? what possible good could that do?

      i dont want to make too big a deal of it for you, but i would write to vwoa and tell them whats going on at this dealership and demand another oil change to get that suspect liquid out of your engine....pronto.


    6. 01-21-2008 08:33 AM #6
      In the Owner's Manual on Page 49 of section 3.2, Tips and Advice states the following:


      Engine oil additives

      Volkswagen does NOT recommend the use of oil additives. They may adversely affect your Limited New Vehicle Warranty.


      You might want to show this to the service dept. and request an immediate FREE oil change.


    7. 01-21-2008 08:39 AM #7
      i knew raceware would chime in, and i particularly like the new quote in the sig. i assume one would see an oil pressure spike like that due to the wrong additive....haha

    8. 01-21-2008 11:07 AM #8
      How about the 44K fuel additive?? I've heard good things, and I'm thinking about putting it in (currently have around 25,000 km).

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      01-21-2008 02:33 PM #9
      That happened to me when I went it for the 10,000 mile change. I didn't complain to the dealer, but I did call VW Customer Care since I knew about the warning in the owners manual. They said "we stand behind whatever our dealer does". I said OK if you think it's fine I'll live with it.

      Still, with the high quality oil that must be used in VWs already, any sort of additive can't possibly improve things. If the additive really were helpful and necessary, it would already be in the oil.


    10. 01-21-2008 02:48 PM #10
      Quote, originally posted by AngryScientist »
      i knew raceware would chime in, and i particularly like the new quote in the sig. i assume one would see an oil pressure spike like that due to the wrong additive....haha


      You still have not told us why you're an Angry Scientist??? Is it because your oil pressure is ONLY 200 PSI at idle?


    11. 01-21-2008 02:50 PM #11
      Quote, originally posted by classicjetta »
      That happened to me when I went it for the 10,000 mile change. I didn't complain to the dealer, but I did call VW Customer Care since I knew about the warning in the owners manual. They said "we stand behind whatever our dealer does". I said OK if you think it's fine I'll live with it.

      Still, with the high quality oil that must be used in VWs already, any sort of additive can't possibly improve things. If the additive really were helpful and necessary, it would already be in the oil.


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    12. 01-21-2008 03:42 PM #12
      I tried the BG 44K fuel additive on my 1.8T Passat and I didn't have any issues. I want to try it on the 2.0T but havent had time to pick it up yet
      DUB'N IN THE DOT

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      01-21-2008 03:56 PM #13
      BG's products are top-notch. I have seen demos in person of their stuff compared to other products on the market.

      Quit trying to milk the dealership out of a free oil change. frankly, id be happy they did that for me. that stuff works great, honestly.


    14. 01-21-2008 06:35 PM #14
      My dealer has also put in the BG MOA but not the fuel additive at my 20K and 30K services. When I asked them why they did it, they said it's because of the oil sludge problems they had with the 1.8T engines. That's also why these engines require synthetic oil now.


      Modified by 06JettaGLI at 3:38 PM 1-21-2008

    15. 01-21-2008 06:43 PM #15
      Quote, originally posted by 06JettaGLI »
      My dealer has also put in the BG MOA but not the fuel additive at my 20K and 30K services. When I asked them why they did it, they said it's because of the oil sludge problems they had with the 1.8T engines. That's also why these engines are synthetic oil only now.


      ...if you don't use oil?

      While BG stuff is top quality and the fuel additive is one of the few that does anything at all, we must remember that they aren't needed for synthetic oils and frowned upon by VW.

      Tje OP should request a free oil change - barring that, he should keep that receipt to prove that it was actually a VW dealer that put that stuff in.

      You might want to look here too...


    16. 01-21-2008 11:18 PM #16
      I 100% agree that the oil additive should not be put into a fully synthetic motor oil.

      However, that's not to say that the fuel additive shouldn't be!


    17. 01-21-2008 11:19 PM #17
      Into the fuel tank, not the motor oil...obviously!!

    18. 01-22-2008 12:07 AM #18
      Quote, originally posted by tharsis »
      BG's products are top-notch. I have seen demos in person of their stuff compared to other products on the market.

      Quit trying to milk the dealership out of a free oil change. frankly, id be happy they did that for me. that stuff works great, honestly.


      How do you technically quantify an additive to "Work Great" ?

      If additives were good all car companies would NOT recommend AGAINST using them. Neither you nor 99.999999% of consumers have any idea what all the consequences are of mixing your own brew by adding some foo-foo dust additive to your oil.

      It's simply foolish to be experimenting with your engine's oil when it's the life blood of your engine and VW spends millions per year testing engine oils for YOUR engine. When VW determines some chemical needs to be included in your oil chemistry, they specify it in their oil specs. Altering those specs is very, very foolish when you have no clue what the outcome will be.

      But hey, I'm sure the Net "wisdumb" is more accurate than the scientific tests VW conducts year round. Duh !


    19. 01-22-2008 07:19 AM #19
      Quote, originally posted by AdamVC »
      Into the fuel tank, not the motor oil...obviously!!


      ...to pour a can of Automatic Transmission Fluid into the gas tank periodically to clean out deposits. We used to take the air cleaner off and slowly pour a glass of water down the carb too - I wouldn't recomment either now....

      Most fuel additives are totally worthless and only techron and BG44K were shown in testing to do anything at all....


    20. 01-22-2008 07:44 AM #20
      as i previously posted, i agree STRONGLY that oil additives are a terrible idea, but i think the biggest issue here is that the stealership threw it in and charged the OP for it without asking.

      its one think if someone adds an oil additive of their own accord, then the consequences are on them. personally i would demand an oil change to get that krap out of my engine.

      in all my years of car ownership, no one, other than myself has ever changed my oil. that decision is validated more now than ever.

      i would def. write to vwoa and tell them whats going on. its bad enough when i read about people who bring their gti to pep boys to get the oil changed and it gets ####'d up, you should be able to trust the dealer.


    21. 01-22-2008 08:11 AM #21
      Quote, originally posted by AngryScientist »
      ...but i think the biggest issue here is that the stealership threw it in and charged the OP for it without asking...


      ...that he said that his wife (correction - G/F - sorry) dropped it off. Since most folks expect that the dealer won't give them bad idea they probably said "we'll do our recommended service" and she said OK.

      This is why it is vital to read the manual and to request only those services required - and not let the dealership talk you into other "recommended" services....




      Modified by cb1111 at 9:45 AM 1-22-2008


    22. 01-22-2008 08:21 AM #22
      re-read the OP, clearly states that the "girlfriend" (dont push the poor guy into marriage...haha) wasnt asked. i totally agree that what you expect for service at the dealership should be spelled out to the letter.

    23. 01-22-2008 08:29 AM #23
      Quote, originally posted by AngryScientist »
      as i previously posted, i agree STRONGLY that oil additives are a terrible idea, but i think the biggest issue here is that the stealership threw it in and charged the OP for it without asking.

      its one think if someone adds an oil additive of their own accord, then the consequences are on them. personally i would demand an oil change to get that krap out of my engine.

      in all my years of car ownership, no one, other than myself has ever changed my oil. that decision is validated more now than ever.

      i would def. write to vwoa and tell them whats going on. its bad enough when i read about people who bring their gti to pep boys to get the oil changed and it gets ####'d up, you should be able to trust the dealer.


      NOW, I can tell why you're Angry...


    24. 01-22-2008 09:40 AM #24
      Quote, originally posted by AngryScientist »
      re-read the OP, clearly states that the "girlfriend" (dont push the poor guy into marriage...haha) wasnt asked. i totally agree that what you expect for service at the dealership should be spelled out to the letter.


      corrected....

      We don't want to add to his misery...


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      01-26-2008 08:23 PM #25
      Quote, originally posted by AngryScientist »
      re-read the OP, clearly states that the "girlfriend" (dont push the poor guy into marriage...haha) wasnt asked. i totally agree that what you expect for service at the dealership should be spelled out to the letter.

      Scam alert!

      It just never ends with these folks. In most states the law insists that the customer be informed about any work BEFORE it is performed. You might have a legal case against their actions. Ask for your money back on this charge!


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      01-28-2008 06:48 PM #26
      Here's the deal....44K is great...but it gets past the rings and in to the crankcase. Use it before the oil change. MOA won't hurt, but given the current VOA oil specs, it won't do too much on a presently good motor...but it's a head-trip thing, anyway. Maybe the MOA helps deal with the 44K that got in to the crankcase. Just something I picked up while working at dealershipsa and hanging with a BG rep.

    27. 01-28-2008 09:54 PM #27
      Quote, originally posted by tharsis »
      BG's products are top-notch. I have seen demos in person of their stuff compared to other products on the market.

      Quit trying to milk the dealership out of a free oil change. frankly, id be happy they did that for me. that stuff works great, honestly.


      those rigs are hokus pocus..they don't tell you about the moly dry coated bearings and crank..

    28. 06-12-2009 10:49 PM #28
      Did you doubters know that BG partners with Audi/VW?
      Did you know that BG manufactures equipment for Audi/VW?
      Do you know that BG manufactures the chemistry required to remove the SLUDGE created from SYNTHETIC motor oil in the 1.8's?

      No wonder VW told the customer that they support the dealership... THEY KNOW that BG Products manufactures products that ACTUALLY do what they say they do.

      MOA = Zinc, Calcium, Phosphorus and Magnesium... ingriedients already found in oil. However, with an additional dose, MOA fortifies any conventional OR synthetic oil. Friction is easy to improve... but MOA's ability to increase the life of oil and it's ability to maintain cleanliness inside an engine is amazing.

      It is well worth an extra $10 in an oil change. BG even backs the end user with up to $4,000 dollars as long as the car gets LOF's at least every 5K. This Protection Plan lasts FOREVER.

      As for 44K... it is the most expensive fuel additive that I know of. And it is also the strongest and most effective. The trick is that it is made of Poly Etheramine. (The stuff in Chevron gasoline, but at SUPER CONCENTRATIONS.) Look it up. toptiergas.com OEM's WANT poly etheramine in fuels. A vehicle's emissions are only as good as the gas that you put into it. And we all know that petro companies do not always add detergents to gasoline. That's where the deposits begin to win. But 44K will turn the table and clean up the engine to like-new condition again.

      VW knows it works.... so do I. The rest of the additives out there may be considered krap, but BG does exactly what it says it will do. They help us win the war on deposits with NO negative effects.


    29. 06-13-2009 01:17 AM #29
      Most additives are nothing but snake oil.

      That said, I have nothing but good things to say about BG. I had a car with a powerloss problem that three specialists couldn't figure out. After spending $2k with no results, two of the three suggested a top end. As a last resort I did a full engine flush using BG products and it did the trick.


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