Powertrain seems a bit weak.
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All-New 2009 TSX to Debut at New York International Auto Show
The second-generation Acura TSX is designed to appeal to young professionals with its keen-edge styling, athletic performance and advanced electronic featuresTORRANCE, Calif., U.S.A., February 11, 2008– Designed and engineered to reaffirm its place as a desirable and affordable entry point for entry-premium buyers, the all-new second-generation 2009 TSX is larger, more agile, more performance minded and even “more Acura” than ever before. Carefully crafted to honor the original TSX’s vision as a world-class sports sedan, the new TSX has significantly evolved to offer more comfort, convenience, driving performance and safety. It does so with expanded luxury and electronic features, a wider stance for more agile performance, and advanced safety systems.
The 2009 TSX is expected to appeal to current TSX owners, young professionals and other image seekers who will appreciate its innovative styling, technical allure and total performance – while also valuing the outstanding customer treatment that owners have come to enjoy at Acura dealerships. Extremely brand conscious and eclectic in their tastes, buyers will find the TSX as satisfying for driving colleagues to lunch as it is for weekend snowboarding trips or vacation travel.
Powertrain
An all-aluminum DOHC i-VTEC® in-line 4-cylinder engine heralds a pair of firsts for the TSX model, including dual balance shafts and a direct ignition system. Along with improved performance, it is also cleaner as it now meeting the EPA’s aggressive Tier 2-Bin 5 and CARB LEV II Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (ULEV) standards for the first time in TSX history.Displacing 2.4-liters and producing 201 hp and 172 lb-ft of torque (with manual transmission), the new in-line 4-cylinder engine produces its useable power across a much wider rpm range, while five percent more torque further strengthens the engine’s pulling power at middle rpm levels. This allows the 2009 TSX to be more responsive off the line and out of corners, and stronger in the middle of the rpm range where the engine operates most of the time.
This newfound performance and flexibility is due in part to a higher compression ratio, revised valve timing, and improved intake and exhaust gas flow. Further credit goes to the TSX engine’s i-VTEC® "intelligent" valve control system, which provides the power characteristics of a V-6 without sacrificing the light weight or fuel efficiency of an in-line four. Likewise, a new rear-mounted exhaust manifold layout, a close-coupled catalytic converter design, and a Programmed Fuel Injection (PGM-FI) system substantially reduce emissions levels. Estimated fuel mileage is 21/30/24 mpg* (city/highway/combined, 5 AT) and 20/28/23 mpg* (city/highway/combined, 6 MT).
Two transmissions are available, both as standard equipment – a 6-speed close- ratio manual with new performance-oriented ratios for Second through Sixth gears, and a Sequential SportShift 5-speed automatic with a new lock-up torque converter assembly. The manual transmission features a short-throw shifter with a precise, light action that makes it highly rewarding to use, while the Sequential SportShift automatic permits fully automatic operation with intelligent features such as Grade Logic Control and Shift Hold Control, which make driving the TSX on hilly or winding roads more enjoyable. If the driver desires, the automatic transmission can also be operated manually via new steering-wheel mounted F1®-style paddle shifters.
Body and Chassis
The 2009 TSX body structure includes two firsts for the Acura division, including a closed-channel cross-braced roof structure and inside frame rails. Along with a stronger rear bulkhead, the closed-channel cross-braced roof structure yields a more rigid and vibration-resistant structure. The first use of inside frame rails for any Acura model help tailor the aerodynamics underneath the car for improved fuel economy, lower emissions and reduced noise. In addition, new A-, B- and C-pillar separators improve the TSX’s quietness over rough roads and at high speed. Slippery aerodynamics also helps fuel economy as well as high-speed stability – all while lowering emissions.In addition to its 3.0-inch greater width and 2.6-inch wider track, the 2009 TSX has a 1.3-inch longer wheelbase and 2.4 inches more overall length. These dimensions combine to provide greater interior roominess, more agile handling and improved ride quality. Another first for Acura are the TSX’s new dual-mode suspension dampers, which provide superior suspension damping characteristics at both lower and higher damper speeds. Using a unique deflector plate stack, the new dampers adjust compression damping characteristics to suit the vehicle speed, cornering forces and road surface. In creating the second-generation TSX body design, Acura designers sought to retain the crisp, dynamic design of the original and enhance it by widening the body overall and adding more muscular and distinctive cues to create a keen-edged sports sedan. Their key design goal was to create an aerodynamic design that evokes both emotion and tension with a decisively sporty flair.
Outward visibility is improved with a slimmer A-pillar design, while an auto up/down front passenger window adds convenience and a reverse-linked passenger-side door mirror tilts down to help improve safety while parallel parking. The new TSX also has a wider trunk opening and a lower trunk lift-over height for more convenient loading.
Exterior/Interior
Functionality and refinement converge with luxury and style in the interior of the 2009 Acura TSX. Featuring a blend of sweeping, contemporary shapes, a high level of standard comfort and convenience features, widespread use of premium materials and an available Technology Package, this 5-passenger sports sedan offers the upscale modern interior that customers have come to expect from Acura.From the precision-crafted metal door sills to the satin-metal finish accents, from new leather-covered seats to the steering-wheel mounted controls, and from the premium 7-speaker sound system to the dual-zone automatic climate control, the TSX represents a merge of intelligent design and innovation. For example, Bluetooth® connectivity is standard and includes a HandsFreeLink® cellular telephone interface that makes communications easier and safer while en route.
Typical of Acura, the TSX offers an exceptional level of standard equipment. Included are a standard power passenger seat, a new folding key with remote entry, new automatic headlight activation, a premium 7-speaker sound system with CD, AM/FM/XM®, Bluetooth® HandsFreeLink® , and USB port music interface. A HomeLink® remote control system is also standard.
Adding to the already impressive list of TSX standard equipment is the available Technology Package, which bristles with leading-edge electronics that make driving much more efficient and enjoyable. These include an Acura Navigation System with Voice RecognitionTM, AcuraLink® Real-time traffic, AcuraLink® weather, and the highly useful AcuraLink® Satellite Communication System. The navigation system also features Real-time trafficTM covering 76 major metropolitan markets, and offers Traffic Rerouting with dynamic route guidance to help navigate around slow-downs. For 2009, the TSX receives a dash-mounted electronic compass for added directional information while driving.
Included in the Technology Package is a premium sound system tuned by legendary sound engineer Elliot Scheiner. This 10-speaker Acura/ELSTM Premium Surround Sound System with DVD-Audio includes a new Note function for XM® Radio that makes it easy to identify songs to recall at a later date. With push of a button, the Note function can capture 10 seconds of up to 30 songs, along with noting text indicating song title, artist name, and XM® channel.
Safety
The 2009 Acura TSX leads the way in safety with its new Advanced Compatibility EngineeringTM (ACETM) body structure. Engineered into the TSX model for the first time, ACETM improves the dispersal of frontal crash energy through the use of load-bearing frame structures that better match the TSX with other vehicles of different sizes and with different bumper heights. Simply put, ACETM helps maximize the effectiveness of the TSX’s front crumple zones, better dispersing crash forces before they reach the passenger compartment.A broad range of passive safety features likewise contributes to occupant safety, including six airbags (dual-stage, dual-threshold front airbags, new dual-chamber front seat side airbags, and side curtain airbags for outboard seating positions). Three-point seatbelts and head restraints are provided in all seating positions, and front seatbelt load limiters with an integrated automatic tensioning system further protect the TSX driver and front passenger. A new Active Headrest Restrain System is used for the first time on the TSX, while the rear seat features a Lower Anchors and Tethers for CHildren (LATCH) system that allows for the easy and secure affixing of up to two child seats. Exterior features designed to further improve safety include daytime running lights (DRL), pedestrian-injury mitigation features such as a deformable hood, hood hinges and windshield-wiper pivots, and a 5-mph front bumper and 2.5-mph rear bumper. The 2009 Acura TSX is expected to achieve the highest ratings in both government (NHTSA)** and independent (IIHS) crash testing – including garnering IIHS’s TOP SAFETY PICK.
Finally, the 2009 Acura TSX is covered by a comprehensive 4-year/50,000 mile bumper-to-bumper limited warranty and a 6-year/70,000 mile powertrain limited warranty. Additional benefits of ownership include Acura Total Luxury Care® (TLC®) that provides free 24-hour roadside assistance, concierge service and trip routing.
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Powertrain seems a bit weak.
#3
Looks like the same HP as before.
#5
Can someone compare those MPG ratings with some V-6 cars. I don't understand why its not in the 30s......
#6
Isn't 20mpg (city) pretty bad for a 2.4L 4-cyl? My V6 Maxima does better.
#7
Damnit, I was hoping for optional SH-AWD.And WTF is up with the slushbox getting better fuel economy than the manual?
#8
Bullsh&t manThis car needs the engine from the RDX like a crackhead needs a hit.
Where's the progression over the previous model, and is 200HP acceptable for cars in this class? At the very least, Acura needs to give the TSX a Type-S option w/ a higher HP motor to really be competitive. Sales were down 13%~ for January, and I don't see much of a sales bump coming from such a half baked offering.
Modified by rbloedow at 9:26 AM 2-13-2008
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Quote, originally posted by 1SICKLEX » Can someone compare those MPG ratings with some V-6 cars. I don't understand why its not in the 30s...... TSX 21/30/24
Lexus IS 18/26/21
#10
Quote, originally posted by mAdD INDIAN » Isn't 20mpg (city) pretty bad for a 2.4L 4-cyl? My V6 Maxima does better. Not according to the EPA. A 1999 Maxima is rated 19/25/21
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Quote, originally posted by GTI 20v » Damnit, I was hoping for optional SH-AWD. And WTF is up with the slushbox getting better fuel economy than the manual?
Yeah, where is the SH-AWD and Turbo-4 from the RDX to distinguish it from Honda?
The big question:
Why buy this thing over the USDM Accord?
#12
Quote, originally posted by DrewSXR » Why buy this thing over the USDM Accord?
Handling?
#13
Quote, originally posted by Hajduk » Not according to the EPA. A 1999 Maxima is rated 19/25/21
According to the gas reciepts & odo reading it gets 27-28mpg @ 75mph and in the city it gets around 22-23mpg. Right now with its misfiring issues its getting 23mpg combined. Once it gets fixed, I would imagine it would do better.
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Quote, originally posted by Hajduk » Handling?
We hope![]()
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Acura is really hitting the "fail" bulls eye these days. I WANT to like Acura and Honda, but their designs these days and market strategies are really a big let down.
Quote » Displacing 2.4-liters and producing 201 hp and 172 lb-ft of torque (with manual transmission), the new in-line 4-cylinder engine produces its useable power across a much wider rpm range, while five percent more torque further strengthens the engine’s pulling power at middle rpm levels. This allows the 2009 TSX to be more responsive off the line and out of corners, and stronger in the middle of the rpm range where the engine operates most of the time. Seems about right HP/TRQ ratio.......but wait I thought honda 4-cylinders only made 10 TORKS!!!
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Quote, originally posted by InfinitiG » Acura is really hitting the "fail" bulls eye these days. I WANT to like Acura and Honda, but their designs these days and market strategies are really a big let down. Seems about right HP/TRQ ratio.......but wait I thought honda 4-cylinders only made 10 TORKS!!!
What's the damage on the poundage? Less i hope![]()
#18
Quote, originally posted by mAdD INDIAN » According to the gas reciepts & odo reading it gets 27-28mpg @ 75mph and in the city it gets around 22-23mpg. Right now with its misfiring issues its getting 23mpg combined. Once it gets fixed, I would imagine it would do better.
So you would likely average better than that with the TSX.
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Quote, originally posted by Hajduk » Handling? I hope so!
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Quote, originally posted by Hajduk » So you would likely average better than that with the TSX.
Probably! Shouldn't the Accord 4-cyl and TSX get similar mileage?
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Quote, originally posted by Hajduk » TSX 21/30/24
Lexus IS 18/26/21
Is that the 250 or 350? Are you comparing manuals or automatics?This press release kinda hits home my points in the other thread, good car but a big disapointment, especially when you see what other car companies are doing.
#22
You know what they should do is just have more engines and options on the next TL instead of having the TSX.
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Quote, originally posted by DoubleNaught »
What's the damage on the poundage? Less i hope![]()
I'm wondering that too, but I'm not getting my hopes up. It would have been nice to see a little bump in the power, even with the extended available power range. Seems like most companies these days are able to make new engines that expand on power and fuel economy.
Quote » TORRANCE, Calif., U.S.A., February 11, 2008– Designed and engineered to reaffirm its place as a desirable and affordable entry point for entry-premium buyers, the all-new second-generation 2009 TSX is larger, more agile, more performance minded and even “more Acura” than ever before. Carefully crafted to honor the original TSX’s vision as a world-class sports sedan, the new TSX has significantly evolved to offer more comfort, convenience, driving performance and safety. It does so with expanded luxury and electronic features, a wider stance for more agile performance, and advanced safety systems.
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Quote, originally posted by mAdD INDIAN » According to the gas reciepts & odo reading it gets 27-28mpg @ 75mph and in the city it gets around 22-23mpg. Right now with its misfiring issues its getting 23mpg combined. Once it gets fixed, I would imagine it would do better.
Are you calculating with imperial gallons or US gallons? Knock 20% off if you're using Imp. to get the equivalent US rating. For instance, your city rating of 22-23mpg would be 18-19mpg.
As for the TSX's power rating.
I was hoping for at least 225hp. They need the Type S model to bring some enthusiast excitement to the TSX.
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Quote, originally posted by Hajduk » TSX 21/30/24
Lexus IS 18/26/21
Those figures are pretty low especially when you can get the TL with the V6 270hp auto 20/30 and 6-spd 19/29.
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Quote, originally posted by 1gokart » Those figures are pretty low especially when you can get the TL with the V6 270hp auto 20/30 and 6-spd 19/29.
The 2008 TL is rated 18/26 for the auto and manual.
#27
Quote, originally posted by Hajduk » Handling? Or dealer service. Or additional content.
Originally Posted by alleghenyman
#28
So still no push button start (smart key) and still horrible gear ratios for the 6MT I see![]()
I will not be a repeat buyer.
#29
I was expecting the turbo from the RDX would make it into the TSX.Are they doing a Type-S?
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#30
Honestly, the improvements made are all minor.
8 ft-lbs more torque, auto up/down on passenger only, mirror tilt while reverse, updated nav w/traffic, better stereo, and probably the most noticeable one is more interior room.
#31
Quote, originally posted by rbloedow » is 200HP acceptable for cars in this class? Isn't that exactly what you get from an A4 2.0T or IS250?
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#32
The powertrain is completely disappointing IMO. I was hoping for more.As for the rest of the vehicle, I still like the interior/exterior.
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#33
So... it's bigger and has pretty much the same i4 motor and power?Awesome!
#34
it sounds ok as a base model... they just need to add a type-s
#35
Quote, originally posted by psteng19 » I will not be a repeat buyer. Same here.