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    Thread: Price of gasoline and diesel before taxes and retail markups

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      03-07-2008 02:17 PM #1
      In case you were wondering how much taxes and retail markups make up in pump prices, here are the prices listed in the commodity section in the Wall Street Journal of March 7, 2008:
      Regular gasoline: $2.49
      Regular gasoline, CARB: $2.73
      Diesel, 15ppm sulfur: $3.27
      The Wall Street Journal is commonly found in libraries, so if you need to look that up (or other things found therein), just go to the library.

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      03-07-2008 02:20 PM #2
      Good post. God forbid the government cut the tax on gas during times like these.

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      03-07-2008 02:22 PM #3
      THat's from a refinery to a private station? Or what?
      In before the "OMG we could have $2.50 gas if they cut all profits and taxes?!" replies.
      EDIT: damn, too late.


      Modified by VDub2625 at 2:47 PM 3-7-2008

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      03-07-2008 02:44 PM #4
      Quote, originally posted by GiacGtiAgain »
      Good post. God forbid the government cut the tax on gas during times like these.

      Remember, the government actually makes less gas tax revenue when the price of gas is high. Gas tax is set as X cents per gallon, rather than as a percentage. When gas prices go up, people use less (not much less, as demand is relatively inelastic), meaning the states, etc. take in less gas tax revenue.

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      03-07-2008 03:01 PM #5
      Quote, originally posted by GiacGtiAgain »
      Good post. God forbid the government cut the tax on gas during times like these.

      Yeah, lets make every road a toll road then...that'd be great
      Believe it or not, the government doesn't waste every single dollar you give them. The extensive network of highways we enjoy as Americans wouldn't be possible without gas taxes.

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      03-07-2008 03:04 PM #6
      As far as the gas station itself the markup is often $0.00 to $0.10. They make the money off the car wash and service station, not the gasoline.

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      03-07-2008 03:04 PM #7
      Quote, originally posted by classicjetta »
      Yeah, lets make every road a toll road then...that'd be great
      Believe it or not, the government doesn't waste every single dollar you give them. The extensive network of highways we enjoy as Americans wouldn't be possible without gas taxes.

      Do some homework, report back. We are overtaxed, and I don't care where they cut it. Gas taxes can stay if they cut income tax, or sales tax, or property taxes, etc etc. It would be easy to justify a cut in gas taxes, far easier then justifying our previous tax cuts on income, which upset a lot of people who feel it only benefits the wealthy. I think a cut in the gas tax would be something EVERYONE would rally around. There is tons of waste, and we should focus on stopping that instead of keeping taxes high to support our roadways and infrastructure on top of all the waste. Infrasture = essential, waste = criminal

    8. 03-07-2008 04:54 PM #8
      I think we should do away with gasoline taxes. That way OPEC and Big Oil can have all my money to themselves [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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    10. 03-07-2008 06:08 PM #10
      thanks for the post. can you believe that like 15 years ago it was like half the price?!

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      03-07-2008 06:53 PM #11
      Quote, originally posted by classicjetta »
      Yeah, lets make every road a toll road then...that'd be great

      Be fine with me! I take the subway to work everyday
      Actually, just kidding: I realize the effect this would have on all of our consumer goods.
      Quote, originally posted by classicjetta »
      Believe it or not, the government doesn't waste every single dollar you give them. The extensive network of highways we enjoy as Americans wouldn't be possible without gas taxes.

      Roads are fine; its all the other garbage that the government spends money on. But thats a discussion for another thread in another forum...
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      03-07-2008 06:56 PM #12
      I think we need higher fuel taxes. The higher fuel prices go, the more practical vehicles people drive.



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      03-07-2008 07:00 PM #13
      Quote, originally posted by BRealistic »
      I think we need higher fuel taxes. The higher fuel prices go, the more practical vehicles people drive.

      I agree comletely. Maybe then these half-wit soccer moms will park their Excusions.

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      03-07-2008 07:03 PM #14
      And "cutting taxes" is one of the stupidest things to suggest economically. The US federal government is run like they are purposely trying to bankrupt the entire government. Talk about keeping America safe- if our currency turns to ashes due to the way our federal government is run, nobody is "safe" anyore.
      If anything we need more taxes and more controlled spending on things that do not directly help average US citizens.
      For example>
      Here is an idea- why not repeal all those stupid loop holes in the tax laws so we can actually collect taxes on the huge record profits of these oil companies? And while on that subject, let's actually make them *gasp* pay to pump oil from our federally owned lands, and also be 100% responsible for any impact on that ecosystem.


      Modified by BRealistic at 7:04 PM 3/7/2008
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      03-07-2008 07:09 PM #15
      Also remember... gas tax revenue is a 100% profit for the government.
      The government doesn't spend a dime researching, finding, drilling, processing, shipping, selling or marketing a freaking ounce of fuel... but they sure draw 100% profit off it.
      I'm not even going to get into the taxes argument in this country... they're too high and the government spends too damn much of it and when the economy is tough... the government never does with less.

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      03-07-2008 07:11 PM #16
      Quote, originally posted by BRealistic »
      And "cutting taxes" is one of the stupidest things to suggest economically. The US federal government is run like they are purposely trying to bankrupt the entire government. Talk about keeping America safe- if our currency turns to ashes due to the way our federal government is run, nobody is "safe" anyore.
      If anything we need more taxes and more controlled spending on things that do not directly help average US citizens.
      For example>
      Here is an idea- why not repeal all those stupid loop holes in the tax laws so we can actually collect taxes on the huge record profits of these oil companies? And while on that subject, let's actually make them *gasp* pay to pump oil from our federally owned lands, and also be 100% responsible for any impact on that ecosystem.

      Modified by BRealistic at 7:04 PM 3/7/2008

      Your agenda is pretty clear... good thing you're not running the show.

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      03-07-2008 07:20 PM #17
      Quote, originally posted by TREGinginCO »
      Your agenda is pretty clear... good thing you're not running the show.

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      03-07-2008 07:32 PM #18
      Quote, originally posted by TREGinginCO »
      Also remember... gas tax revenue is a 100% profit for the government.
      The government doesn't spend a dime researching, finding, drilling, processing, shipping, selling or marketing a freaking ounce of fuel... but they sure draw 100% profit off it.

      ORLY? The recent and not-so-recent forays into the Middle East sponsored by our government are completely removed from the oil supply chain?

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      03-07-2008 07:43 PM #19
      Quote, originally posted by TREGinginCO »
      Your agenda is pretty clear... good thing you're not running the show.

      The agenda of for the people and by the people is not something that I made up. (Shrug)
      Anyways, we all have different ideas of how to fund our government. But taxing the companies that make profits from our society has/had always been a major component.

      As far as fuel price go- I am well over hearing people complain about prices. They have had long enough to make life choice changes to use less fuel. Anybody that keeps the same life choices and just expects fuel to get cheap again for any length of time is an idiot.



      Modified by BRealistic at 7:46 PM 3/7/2008
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    20. 03-07-2008 07:47 PM #20
      Quote, originally posted by TREGinginCO »
      Also remember... gas tax revenue is a 100% profit for the government.
      The government doesn't spend a dime researching, finding, drilling, processing, shipping, selling or marketing a freaking ounce of fuel... but they sure draw 100% profit off it.
      I'm not even going to get into the taxes argument in this country... they're too high and the government spends too damn much of it and when the economy is tough... the government never does with less.

      The government gives billions of dollars to oil companies each year. The government allows them to drill and extract oil from public lands for almost nothing. Your ignorance is ridiculous. Most gas taxes go toward roads and transportation infrastructure that allow people to have jobs.

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      03-07-2008 07:53 PM #21
      You guys are complaining about taxes
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    22. 03-07-2008 08:01 PM #22
      Quote, originally posted by Golfotron &raquo;
      You guys are complaining about taxes
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      That's whats so ridiculous. The US government is $9.2 Trillion in debt and we have the lowest taxes of any major industrialized country. Yet half our country complain about taxes.

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      03-07-2008 08:18 PM #23
      Quote, originally posted by WakeHead &raquo;
      That's whats so ridiculous. The US government is $9.2 Trillion in debt and we have the lowest taxes of any major industrialized country. Yet half our country complain about taxes.

      Shhhh. You can't use facts and logic when discussing taxes. That's unAmerican.
      Anyways- I'll just add one more thing since this is teetering on political comments,and I know how much the mods hate political commentary here. It is ridiculous that our country has industries with guaranteed profits. Oil companies, pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, etc- all play in a system where they can do whatever they like without any significant oversight or consequences. We should be concerned with creating a sustainable and viable society. Yet we all act like wild dogs on a fresh kill- trying to get our fill as quickly as possible before the meal is gone.
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      03-07-2008 08:18 PM #24
      Diesel costs more than gas? Isn't it less refined? Someone please enlighten me.
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      03-07-2008 08:21 PM #25
      Quote, originally posted by lowredcabrio &raquo;
      Diesel costs more than gas? Isn't it less refined? Someone please enlighten me.

      supply>demand.
      There may be something with the new low sulfur diesel too.
      Though don't ask why they have yet to respond by increasing production.
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