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    Thread: Motive First Drive: 2009 Volkswagen Passat CC

    1. 04-17-2008 01:21 AM #1

      "Was ist das? Der neue Passat?"

      We got that question more than a few times when we drove Volkswagen's new Passat CC in Germany and Austria, and it is a good one. The Passat CC appears to be merely a better-looking replacement for the existing Passat but is in fact an entirely new model designed to slot above the current, more conservatively styled sedan. Naming issues aside, the Passat CC has far more going for it than a pretty, cut-down body. Underneath is a raft of changes — new technologies and improved chassis dynamics — that provide a far superior driving experience to the Passat sedan, making this car a bit more special than we first expected...

      FULL STORY...


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      04-17-2008 01:30 AM #2
      I love it, and I love the rear seats!

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      04-17-2008 01:35 AM #3
      I'm much more excited for this car than I was before, I'm curious to see how well it is received by the public...

    4. 04-17-2008 01:38 AM #4
      I want to like this car, but the first thing that comes to mind when I see it is Chrysler Concord.
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      How is the outward visibility?

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      Out of curiosity, how come the US model has less horsepower?

    7. 04-17-2008 02:06 AM #7
      Is your studio done yet?

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      04-17-2008 02:27 AM #8
      I still don't understand why it couldn't be the next gen Passat, with slight tweaks for the 5-seater model. It's svelte, comfy, quick...things the passat has always aspired to be.

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      I've always liked the whole car. But man do I ever love the interior

    11. 04-17-2008 08:47 AM #11

      Quote, originally posted by tjl »
      How is the outward visibility?

      Fine, except for the rear. You need the Nav option with the rear view camera.




      Modified by GT17V at 8:49 AM 4-17-2008


    12. 04-17-2008 09:02 AM #12
      "the new version of the 2.0T has internal modifications that reduce reciprocating weight and friction, which help to keep the emissions and economy in check while still delivering similar power."

      Huh?? What new version of the 2.0T? Can someone direct me to some info about this?


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      04-17-2008 09:35 AM #13
      Nice article! I am warming up to the car and am happy that a manual trans will be available in the car. That said, it still looks a little weird. I see a bit of chrysler sebring in the tail lights from some angles as well. I'll have to see this car in person. I am also intrigued by the adjustable suspension.

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      04-17-2008 09:54 AM #14
      I'm disappointed that the adjustable suspension won't be making it over here. That alone would give the CC some needed separation between it and the Passat. So will our CC end up driving much like the Passat with Sport Suspension then?
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      A lot of Mercedes CLS features on this car
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      04-17-2008 10:17 AM #17
      Love the car, but the 4-seat configuration is a deal killer for me. I often need 5 seats. Those sexy rear buckets should be an option, not standard.

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      04-17-2008 10:26 AM #18
      I have to wonder how a car seat would fit into those back seats. Looks like it would definitely be a challenge.

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      04-17-2008 10:29 AM #19
      Quote, originally posted by features@motivemag »
      The Passat CC appears to be merely a better-looking replacement for the existing Passat but is in fact an entirely new model designed to slot above the current, more conservatively styled sedan.

      I thought VW had decided to simply name it "Volkswagen CC" ?
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      04-17-2008 10:44 AM #20
      I like this car. I really do. It has a nice profile, looks good, but then I see the 3/4 view of the rear and.....


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      Modified by gravitymachine at 9:45 AM 4-17-2008


    21. 04-17-2008 10:52 AM #21
      Quote, originally posted by axe »

      I thought VW had decided to simply name it "Volkswagen CC" ?

      Reading > You...

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      When the Passat CC arrives this September on the North American continent it will lose its Passat designation and simply be known as the CC.

    22. 04-17-2008 10:55 AM #22
      Quote, originally posted by satisfied »
      Is your studio done yet?

      The studio is in Chicago. The cars are in Europe. I might be giving you more credit than you deserve, but even the dimmest of forum members should be able to see the problem this presents.

      Anyway...

      Nicely-written article.


    23. 04-17-2008 10:55 AM #23
      damn, beat me to it...

    24. 04-17-2008 10:57 AM #24
      So, no AWD?

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      04-17-2008 11:01 AM #25
      Quote, originally posted by rudyr »
      So, no AWD?

      Why not?


    26. 04-17-2008 11:01 AM #26
      Funny thing is I dont think people will care much about this "coupe".

      Dynamically it probably doesn't drive much better than a loaded Passat


    27. 04-17-2008 11:04 AM #27
      Quote, originally posted by rudyr »
      So, no AWD?

      only with the VR6


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      04-17-2008 11:09 AM #28
      Any idea why VW hasn't ditched tiptronic in favor of DSG for all their cars? At $38k for the top trim line, an extra $1-2k isn't a big deal.

      I also never understood why they don't offer a manual trans. with their best (most powerful) engines.

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    29. 04-17-2008 11:11 AM #29
      Nice write up, though it seems to go easy on any criticism...unless of course the CC is beyond any nits!

      I agree with an earlier post that the 4 seater could be an option. But then again, if you think hard, when was the last time you carried 5 adults? At the most you have 3-4 persons in the car, with the middle rear seat mostly unoccupied/occupied by junk. I think this is a change that will probably catch on in the long run.


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      04-17-2008 11:26 AM #30
      Dear Motive,

      Your German sucks. Consider hiring actual editors and proof readers.


      Modified by velocipedio at 8:28 AM 4-17-2008


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      04-17-2008 11:28 AM #31
      Quote, originally posted by Impeccable »
      Funny thing is I dont think people will care much about this "coupe".

      Dynamically it probably doesn't drive much better than a loaded Passat

      The loaded 3.6 Passat, however, is going away, and will eventually be replaced by a very different car.

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      04-17-2008 11:31 AM #32
      Two things I would like to know or confirm about the new CC:

      1.) Is the moonroof retractable or just a see-through version such as Maxima?

      2.) Do the back seats fold down as they do in the current car? I sometimes need a larger trunk space and this is a must.

      Thanks a lot


    33. 04-17-2008 11:39 AM #33
      Quote, originally posted by GT17V »


      Fine, except for the rear. You need the Nav option with the rear view camera.


      Modified by GT17V at 8:49 AM 4-17-2008


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      04-17-2008 11:45 AM #34
      Quote, originally posted by VeeDubOne »
      Nice write up, though it seems to go easy on any criticism...unless of course the CC is beyond any nits!

      I agree with an earlier post that the 4 seater could be an option. But then again, if you think hard, when was the last time you carried 5 adults? At the most you have 3-4 persons in the car, with the middle rear seat mostly unoccupied/occupied by junk. I think this is a change that will probably catch on in the long run.

      Last time I did that was in my MINI...I bought the damn thing cuz I was sick of taking large groups everywhere...

      Now I have an MX5


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      04-17-2008 12:03 PM #35
      Quote, originally posted by Impeccable »
      Funny thing is I dont think people will care much about this "coupe".

      Dynamically it probably doesn't drive much better than a loaded Passat

      Whether the CC finds a niche or not remains to be seen I guess. However the CC I drove in Germany were *far* better dynamically than the current Passat. I'd have to wonder though if the Passat will get a facelift soon and see some of these improvements that the CC has.

      My personal small nits after driving it myself. Rear visibility is a bit less than other sedans, but not obnoxiously so. Blind spots however are fine since the rear seat glass goes so far back into the c-pillar. The rear-end styling just doesn't look very German to me whereas the rest of the car is pretty unique. Price is a little endearing on the high-end, but the car does have a very substantial feel to it that makes it feel more expensive than it is. Lastly I'm of course worried how badly this car will get watered-down for the U.S. market, particularly the suspension setup. German engineers on hand at the event said the CC should come over with the same suspension, but I've heard that before. Hopefully VW doesn't screw this one up.

      The CC is an obvious niche vehicle in this segment. If you want outright performance then the G37, IS or 3-series may be a better choice. However the outright performance enthusiast market is a bit smaller than the near-luxury/luxury buyer so who knows what will happen. Either way, I was surprised how well executed the CC is and like it a whole lot better than the Passat.

      On the panorama roof - it has a vent function on it, but does not slide open like a typical sun roof. I have an email into VWoA on the split/fold seats for the U.S. market. The German-market cars only get a pass-through opening where the rear center armrest is, but there was talk of split fold seats being available later in the life-cycle. With VWoA moving right now and the product planning group largely being decimated it is hard to get firm answers. I heard yesterday we *may* get the adaptive chassis control as an option but a final decision hasn't been made yet. It is a cost decision.

      Anyway, if anyone has any other questions I might be able to shed some light on let me know.

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