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      04-24-2008 01:13 PM #1
      so i've been having some great conversations in other threads about running, everything from starting out to equipment to experienced runners... but those conversations tend to spring up in threads about other topics.
      i know there's runners in here, whether they speak up or lurk... so being that there is no running forum i thought i would start a thread specific to running and see how it goes. just please keep it OT.
      let's see what happens.
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      04-24-2008 01:18 PM #2
      i'll get it going... i'm a newbie runner. played baseball and hockey in h.s. so endurance is something new to me. i'm running my first 5k next weekend as a base time, and then i will begin my real training.
      after i run the 5k i will begin the real program to try and build my endurance and drop my time. i plan on 10k's being my next stop, but i want to see how the progress actually goes with the 5k.
      my intial program is going to be:
      Mon: Off
      Tue: Tempo run of 2-4 miles
      Wed: Something sprint/speed based
      Th: Tempo run of 3-4 miles
      Fri: Off
      Sat: Slow 2 miles
      Sun: Slow long run, starting at 4, thereafter either 5 or 6.
      it's a slight tweak (on Tues.) to this program http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_4/142.shtml with a little elaboration based on a program i found at runnersworld.com... my own hybrid.
      would love some input from the experienced folks in here.
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      04-24-2008 01:41 PM #3
      I'm a new runner this winter/spring as well, part of ym overalll get-into-shape plan.
      Beginning stats: 5'11", close to 250 with some asthma and no endurance.
      I've been using this 12-week walk/run program:
      http://www.lifecommstore.com/b...m.pdf
      and after some bronchitis and other setbacks, I'm on week 7; never could have imagined I would run for 10 minutes without a break!
      So far I'm doing about 2.25-2.4 miles in about half an hour, jogging around 5.4mph.
      I upgraded from DSW clearance rack adidas to some specific running shoes from Fleet Feet, and that has made a huge difference for comfort & shinsplints.
      So far it's been a lot of fun, although I know there is still a ton of room for improvement.

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      04-24-2008 01:42 PM #4
      I did my second ever 5K last week and I am thinking of entering another one this saturday.
      I do like endurance activities, but I am having a hard time committing myself to training for them, because I also want to lift to gain muscle. Anyone know how much I could endurance train and still gain muscle? I know most of you in here do zero cardio, but if I run 5-10 miles a week, will I totally sabotage any lifting gains?

    5. 04-24-2008 01:46 PM #5
      I'm just starting to train for a 5k at the beginning of June. I ran the same one in about 25min last year when I was not in very good shape. I'm trying to break 20min this year (hence the actual training rather than just the usual "playing basketball keeps me in good enough running shape" mentality I used last year).

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      04-24-2008 01:55 PM #6
      Quote, originally posted by Elliot »
      I'm just starting to train for a 5k at the beginning of June. I ran the same one in about 25min last year when I was not in very good shape. I'm trying to break 20min this year (hence the actual training rather than just the usual "playing basketball keeps me in good enough running shape" mentality I used last year).

      nice, a 5 minute gain would be solid! i'm planning on being in the 23's for this one. i know once i start doing my program and getting in the 4, 5, and 6 mile runs that the 5k will be much easier. for now the longest i do is a 5k, but i do it 3-4x a week.
      I'm just a regular Joe, with a regular job. I'm your average white, suburbanite slob.

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      04-24-2008 01:58 PM #7
      Quote, originally posted by G-rocco »
      never could have imagined I would run for 10 minutes without a break!
      So far I'm doing about 2.25-2.4 miles in about half an hour, jogging around 5.4mph.

      ya i found pacing to be a big hurdle myself. as of now i could go out and run a 6:30 mile, but i would follow it up with an 8:00 and then probably a 10:00... which isn't really pratical or effective and i would feel like garbage if i did it that way.
      I'm just a regular Joe, with a regular job. I'm your average white, suburbanite slob.

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      04-24-2008 02:06 PM #8
      [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] OT RUNNING THREAD! [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      My stats/background:
      I'm 5'10", 162 lbs and have been running for 9 years. The only formal race I've ever competed in was the OC Marathon in 12/04 and finished in under 4 hours. Right now I run about 15 miles per week and about a third of that is during two days each week of Fire PE at a local college, which can either be long distance or shorter tempo-type stuff. It makes it hard to have a planned training schedule so I just adapt week by week to get my miles in. I plan to start training for some sub-marathon length races starting in the fall.
      Anyway, I'm doing a long run on a treadmill today because I was stupid this week and picked up a couple of nice sunburns. My normal shady, flat trail is infested with beehives right now and I can't run at night because I have plans. I haven't run on a treadmill in over a year... not looking forward to it.
      Anyone else using an online training log, like the one on http://www.runnersworld.com? I just started mine on the first of this month. It's quite helpful.



      Modified by Sozsei at 11:09 AM 4-24-2008

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      04-24-2008 02:22 PM #9
      i made my own excel spreadsheet. i time my mile marks and it calculates my min/mile and mph for each consecutive mile... has been very handy so far. i noticed right off the bat that a moderate speed during the first 2 miles that left me with enough juice for a bit faster last mile (for 5k of course) shaved a good 30 seconds off my training time.
      i also noticed (and felt it yesterday) that 2 days off for what i am doing was too much, so I am adding back a bit of Tuesday work, but not the extent (yet at least) of what my program wants me to do.
      I'm just a regular Joe, with a regular job. I'm your average white, suburbanite slob.

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      04-24-2008 03:40 PM #10
      I award this thread points and the OP for creating it. I normally run Mondays Tuesdays and Thursdays. I used to do Mon-Tues Thurs-Fri, but I wanted Fri off. I occasionally do self testing on the weekends; higher intensity running to get a taste of my limits. I need to do more distance and more frequency though.
      THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!

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      04-24-2008 03:52 PM #11
      Jnm, can you link up that spreadsheet some how?

      So far I am at about 3k and it's taking, ah, like 20 mintues. I suck at life.
      "I don’t want the company to be driven by numbers. I want it to be driven by making better cars and contributing to society. That will turn into profit, which we can use to develop better cars. That should be the cycle, and that will, as a result, build a company with a strong foundation."
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      04-24-2008 04:13 PM #12
      well... not sure how to host an excel file. i tried google docs but its very clumsy and lost a lot of formatting. i can e-mail if you want, but the site that Sozsei mentioned is good too.
      http://traininglog.runnersworl....aspx
      edit: actually that runnersworld one has a ton of info you can log, really cool, going to start using it. also, when i was entering my route to save it, i learned that my 3 mile mark is actually my 3.1 mile mark... so my times are all going to drop by about 45 seconds. w00t!. gotta update my charts at home i guess.


      Modified by jnm1point8t at 4:48 PM 4-24-2008
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      04-24-2008 04:27 PM #13
      Quote, originally posted by jnm1point8t »
      well... not sure how to host an excel file. i tried google docs but its very clumsy and lost a lot of formatting. i can e-mail if you want, but the site that Sozsei mentioned is good too.
      http://traininglog.runnersworl....aspx

      Screen shots? View the excel file as you want it to be seen and hit the print screen button. Host the pics and then post. Just an idea.
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      04-24-2008 04:39 PM #14
      Quote, originally posted by jnm1point8t »
      well... not sure how to host an excel file. i tried google docs but its very clumsy and lost a lot of formatting.

      If it would help, I could host the excel file on my ftp site and post a link to it. PM me for my email address if you want me to give that a shot.
      edit, I'm going for my run right now so I'll be away from the computer for a few hours.



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      04-24-2008 04:47 PM #15
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      "I don’t want the company to be driven by numbers. I want it to be driven by making better cars and contributing to society. That will turn into profit, which we can use to develop better cars. That should be the cycle, and that will, as a result, build a company with a strong foundation."
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      04-24-2008 08:00 PM #16
      I just got back from my run (I'm a noob) and after about 1 mile, my shins were fuggin killing me. I'm off until Monday.
      THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!

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      04-24-2008 08:55 PM #17
      alright, here's a screen shot. you can copy and paste to excel but all the formatting is lost. my 5k times here are actually a bit high ... as i said, i found out i was going a bit too far on my runs.
      i just copy and paste one day that has the formula in it to another day and edit the times. easy enough to add a line if you need more than 4.
      also... i have a different tab for each month.
      it's easy for a quick look, but that runnersworld one is just awesome, though takes a bit to update every run.
      oh yeah, and you have to convert seconds in time to hundreths... 15 seconds becomes .25, 30 seconds bceoms .50, etc.
      http://spreadsheets.google.com...FBHNQ


      Modified by jnm1point8t at 8:57 PM 4-24-2008
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      04-24-2008 09:43 PM #18
      Not bad. 3 miles if I could complete it would probably take me about 30 minutes+ right now.
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      04-25-2008 02:27 AM #19
      A couple of days ago I ran a 5k in barely under 25 minutes. Not bad for a chubby guy who has only been running for a couple of months. Next goal is a 21 min 5k.
      I still need to get my tempo and breathing down as it's still kinda screwed up. I'll be going along good and feeling great and short a breath and it kills me. It sucks.

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      04-25-2008 09:29 AM #20
      What are you guys using for gear?

      IE, any special shirts, shorts, under "garments"..?
      "I don’t want the company to be driven by numbers. I want it to be driven by making better cars and contributing to society. That will turn into profit, which we can use to develop better cars. That should be the cycle, and that will, as a result, build a company with a strong foundation."
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      04-25-2008 09:34 AM #21
      i have an under armour undershirt that is meant to keep you warm that i use when its cool out. other than that nothing special.
      I'm just a regular Joe, with a regular job. I'm your average white, suburbanite slob.

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      04-25-2008 10:00 AM #22
      Quote, originally posted by SteveMKIIDub »
      What are you guys using for gear?

      IE, any special shirts, shorts, under "garments"..?

      I've got a million T-shirts, so I just wear those. THey do get pretty heavy with sweat, so I can see buying some UA typer stuff in the heat of the summer.
      I've been trying to find the right undershorts. Bosers are too.. well, bouncy. I've got some UA comperssion shorts that are good, but they're long! Bought some champion C9 stuff at target and that works pretty damn well
      TMI warning
      I'm a big giy, and have always had the 'thunderthighs' I don't have a problem with the twig n' berries, just a lot of discomfort at the top of my thighs from the wrong undershorts and chafing
      But the C9 stuff works damn well, along with some microfiver boxerbriefs I got at H&M a while ago.
      Yesterday I tried to do my 'off day' run around the neighborhood; It was agony! Oh, the shin splints! I guess my legs are conditioned to running on the treadmill, which sucks, cause it's nice to be outdoors sometimes.

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      04-25-2008 10:07 AM #23
      ya my first few times after the winter treadmill was torture on my shins, stretch them out too! they are muscles too.
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      04-25-2008 10:44 AM #24
      anybody else have runners knee? i have it a bit in my left knee and found some simple exercises to strengthen the quads while even sitting at a desk.
      I'm just a regular Joe, with a regular job. I'm your average white, suburbanite slob.

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      04-25-2008 11:10 AM #25
      I run a bit... Just did Boston on Monday sub 3hrs and have taken it easy since then with mostly biking. Did run ~4 miles yesterday to loosen up my wooden legs and they feel pretty normal today. For shorts if you look for actual running shorts you'll find they have a liner inside, sorta like a built in speedo under the shorts to support the boys. Even without thunder thighs and wearing running shorts, mine were chafed to hamburger Monday and the post race shower was not fun for that part. I try to stick to tech type shirts for any real running, though I've got tons of old race shirts for general use when it's not 90 out. I don't think I've ever had shin splints but guess you just have to slowly build your base and be wearing good shoes.
      I've entered a couple of races for the summer so far including a half marathon in late May in Boston and the Mt Washington road race in late June. I know I have to work on my speed as I only hit the track once this year in training for the marathon so will probably do a bunch of 5k's like the free fun runs my town's police puts on Thursday nights soon. My training is a bit lax in general, never really kept too much track of what I've run. I looked at some training plans the other month for the marathon but ended up running pretty much how I felt. The past few years I've done Boston and slacked off the rest of the year, biking some but only really running again in Jan/Feb but hopefully I'll keep things going this year.

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