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    Thread: Success! Finally Euro LED Tails installed without running wires!!!

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      12-12-2008 01:56 AM #51
      Quote, originally posted by r32-1163 »
      Yeah they'll should for Euro Darkened Amber blinkers, but your vagcom settings will be different.
      Like mentioned if you want to save money you can just swap the pins and run the new wires to the cecm. (which is the proper way anyway )

      You don't need to run new wires either... swap one pin on each connector, open lights and (there are a couple different ways to do this) solder a 'U' shaped piece of wire to the 2nd and 3rd terminal. VagCom and you are done.
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      12-12-2008 02:09 AM #52
      Also the ECS harness has a diode in it that needs to be removed.
      And the harness needs to be repinned as the wiring on a Jetta is different from the Golf...don't ask me why
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    3. 12-12-2008 04:13 AM #53
      Quote, originally posted by nikhsub1 »
      You don't need to run new wires either...

      Yeah but the purists say this isn't the way it's supposed to be. Some of them say it's the Ghetto way cause the red is mixed with the Amber.

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      12-12-2008 10:12 AM #54
      Quote, originally posted by r32-1163 »
      Yeah but the purists say this isn't the way it's supposed to be. Some of them say it's the Ghetto way cause the red is mixed with the Amber.

      I think they work better the ghetto way then... I like the whole light being red for brakes and the alternating red/amber for the signal, it looks dope
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      02-16-2009 08:13 PM #55
      Quote, originally posted by davidraeside »
      I did the same too... thanks for all your help!

      Sorry for bumping an old thread AND quoting a picture, but if I install my LEDs using the method pictured, will I be able to drive the car to the guy who's doing my vag-com coding for the tails?

    6. 02-16-2009 08:16 PM #56
      Yes..... but this still is the cop out way to do it. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      02-16-2009 08:21 PM #57
      Thanks, but riddle me this:
      What exactly does the coding do?
      How will the taillights look when I hook them up without the coding?

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      02-16-2009 08:52 PM #58
      Quote, originally posted by McMerc »
      The OEM way the LED suppose to light-up is:
      Outer ring- city light and signal light only.
      Inner ring- city light and brake light only.
      Here are some video from youtube.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...lated
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...lated

      is it just the video or are the lights flickering at idle?

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      02-16-2009 09:11 PM #59
      without the coding, don't hook up that jumper harness yet, otherwise your brake lights light up amber.
      Just plug it up with the stock harness, and the center will be the turn signal and the outer will be your brake/city light
      And you'll have bulb out warnings.
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      02-16-2009 09:11 PM #60
      Quote, originally posted by PSU »
      Thanks, but riddle me this:
      What exactly does the coding do?
      How will the taillights look when I hook them up without the coding?

      IIRC they won't work right at all without the coding... I had error messages up the wazoo before the coding, saying the lights are out, my blinkers didnt work etc. With the coding you also introduce the amber color for the signals.
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      02-16-2009 09:26 PM #61
      Quote, originally posted by FreeGolf »
      is it just the video or are the lights flickering at idle?

      It's his camera.

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      02-16-2009 09:32 PM #62
      Quote, originally posted by Ikey3125 »
      without the coding, don't hook up that jumper harness yet, otherwise your brake lights light up amber.
      Just plug it up with the stock harness, and the center will be the turn signal and the outer will be your brake/city light
      And you'll have bulb out warnings.

      Thanks.
      So the harness is for the outer taillights?

    13. 02-16-2009 10:26 PM #63
      Quote, originally posted by PSU »
      Thanks.
      So the harness is for the outer taillights?

      The pins are swapped from US spec to Euro Specs. if you plug together without moving pins they wont work.
      The nice thing about running Ghetto harnesses is you can do all the swapping in the adapters and leave the stock connectors 100% unchanged.
      The harness is to cleanly make a splice with the parking and brake wires. (and to swap the pinouts to euro specs)
      It's also possible to solder or use a jumper inside the tails and do the pin swaps if you want to save $$$ on buy parts for the harness.

    14. 02-17-2009 01:55 PM #64
      Quote, originally posted by r32-1163 »
      Yeah but the purists say this isn't the way it's supposed to be. Some of them say it's the Ghetto way cause the red is mixed with the Amber.

      Since this thread has been brought back from the dead, I'd like to try and clear up the whole red mixed with amber thing. No matter which way you wire them, OEM or 'Ghetto', at some point the outer ring will be lit red and amber at the same time.
      In OEM mode, if you have the lights on, the outer and inner ring are lit red at (depending on VCDS settings) about 1/3 the maximum intensity. If you then switch the turn signals on, the amber lights up on the outer ring at 100% intensity, but the red portion of the outer ring is still lit. It doesn't, contrary to popular opinion alternate red / amber. It shows a red / amber mix, so the only time you get a true amber is during the day, when you don't have the lights turned on. The true benefit of doing it OEM is when the brake pedal is applied, only the inner portion of red led's goes to 100% intensity.
      In Ghetto mode, during normal usage the same applies. However if you have the brake pedal depressed the outer ring of red led's is at 100% intensity along with the inner portion, so when the turn signals are on you do get a slightly muddy amber.
      I re-wired mine OEM in the end though i coded them to operate slightly differently.
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      02-17-2009 09:05 PM #65
      Wow, after one long day these tails are finally in, and functioning.
      Such a headache.
      I'll explain why later.

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      02-17-2009 09:15 PM #66
      Pardon the crappy Blackberry pictures.
      It's supposed to snow again tomorrow so the car is going to stay dirty.

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    17. 02-17-2009 10:56 PM #67
      r32-1163 is cheater but smart

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      02-18-2009 08:32 AM #68
      Looking good PSU, can't wait to see more pics

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      02-22-2009 12:58 PM #69
      Quote, originally posted by PSU »
      Wow, after one long day these tails are finally in, and functioning.
      Such a headache.
      I'll explain why later.

      I'm digging in to mine now.
      Care to expand on your 'headache'? Probably too late for me.....
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      02-22-2009 01:09 PM #70
      Quote, originally posted by Mr_Peach »
      I'm digging in to mine now.Care to expand on your 'headache'? Probably too late for me.....

      Good luck, I am really wanting to tackle this mod myself...waiting for warmer weather before spending that much time out in the garage (and for all you up north and back east....i know....i live in CA, what can I say).

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      02-22-2009 01:29 PM #71
      Quote, originally posted by Mr_Peach »
      I'm digging in to mine now.
      Care to expand on your 'headache'? Probably too late for me.....

      I did mine last year, its pretty easy.
      I ran the wires up front tho.
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      02-22-2009 02:19 PM #72
      Quote, originally posted by davidraeside »

      I'm having a noob moment here. I bought the harnesses from ECS, but I need to move the pins around.
      I find instructions for moving the pins on the blocks that have the purple release tab, but I'm needing to move the pins on the other block.
      How do I do that?
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    23. 02-22-2009 02:40 PM #73
      it's easier to explain if you look at this thread:
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3358144
      Basically you release the purple clip, make a tool out of a paper clip as shown, insert the tool release the pin.

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      02-22-2009 02:49 PM #74
      Thanks, I saw that.
      I want to modify the block that doesn't have the purple clip.
      Looking at the photo above, my three wires are in the wrong slots on the right hand blocks. I need to move two of them.
      Agghhh, it gets worse. I just figured out that what I thought was a splice in the ECS wire bundle is a diode.
      Anyway, I need to understand the basics of "re-pinning" these connectors before I can make progress.
      Modified by Mr_Peach at 11:51 AM 2-22-2009


      Modified by Mr_Peach at 12:05 PM 2-22-2009
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    25. 02-22-2009 03:33 PM #75
      to repin it's pretty simple.
      if you're re-pining the other side without the purple clip you need to lift up the piece that locks down the pins. if you look at it carefully see a flat area you can lift up with a small flat screwdriver.
      yeah the ECS wires come with a diode. just remove the diode and cover with heatshrink or electrical tape.
      you just need to splice 2 wires to one.

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