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    Thread: TDI routine maintenance

    1. 05-09-2008 06:41 PM #1
      I just bought an '06 Jetta TDI. I'm not new to cars but I am new to turbo diesels. Any tips besides just changing oil?

    2. 05-09-2008 06:57 PM #2
      Just go by the owners manual on the maintenace stuff. And make sure you only use vw approved oil. If you use anything else you will damage the cam and lifters and it will cost over 3000 to fix.

    3. 05-09-2008 11:30 PM #3
      Major Volkswagen Scheduled Maintenance #1

      40K Service all Engines include

      Tire rotation, oil change, engine oil filter, top off all fluids, inspect front and rear suspension, inspect exhaust system, inspect engine for oil leaks and coolant leaks, inspect Cv boots, inspect brakes, inspect drive belts, inspect timing belt, Replace: spark plugs, air filter, pollen filter, check and top off battery electrolyte level, lubricate all doors, lubricate sun roof, check all lights, check all systems for fault codes, road test Vehicle.

      Change your oil every 5,000 miles.

      Also due at 80,000, etc

      TDI engines only -- Drain water separator

      (Through 2001 TDI Engines) Replace timing belt and tensioner at 40,000 miles. (Automatic Trans Only)

      (2001 and Newer) *Replace timing belt At 80,000 miles, highly recommended to avoid severe engine damage to 1.8T, 2.0L, 2.0T & 2.8L engines, it is also recommended to replace the water pump along with the timing belt to avoid engine overheating in the event of the water pump properler braking, therefore having to do the repair all over again and paying labor twice. Volksguru.com



    4. 05-10-2008 05:30 PM #4
      5,000 per oil change??? The PD engine can go for ten with proper 505.01 oil.

    5. 05-11-2008 02:51 AM #5
      Volksguru needs to get updated.

      Come on over to TDIclub.com for some better info.

      And don't take it to the dealer.


    6. 05-11-2008 11:33 PM #6
      whatever dude! the recommendation by the manufacturer Volkswagen is every 5,000 MILES not 10,000 follow the rules on how to maintenance your car.

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      05-12-2008 12:52 AM #7
      Quote, originally posted by HBone80 »
      I just bought an '06 Jetta TDI. I'm not new to cars but I am new to turbo diesels. Any tips besides just changing oil?

      For 2004-2006 TDI engines sold in the US, be sure to use VW 505.01 rated oil. Oil with this rating is not commonly found in the usual auto stores; you may have to buy it at a VW dealer or from some internet mail order parts place.

      You did get service records listing the correct oil, right?


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      05-12-2008 12:55 AM #8
      Quote, originally posted by ABIMELECH »
      whatever dude! the recommendation by the manufacturer Volkswagen is every 5,000 MILES not 10,000 follow the rules on how to maintenance your car.

      Go to: http://www.vw.com/myvw/yourcar...en/us/
      Select 2006 Jetta TDI
      Give various mileages

      You will find service intervals every 10,000 miles after the initial two at 5,000 and 10,000 miles.


    9. 05-12-2008 05:46 PM #9
      Quote, originally posted by ABIMELECH »
      whatever dude! the recommendation by the manufacturer Volkswagen is every 5,000 MILES not 10,000 follow the rules on how to maintenance your car.

      The rules for oil changes BY VOLKSWAGEN is every 10,000 miles after the initial two 5,000 mile oil changes.

      MY2002 ALH engines got a revised timing belt which pushes the timing belt change to 80,000 miles.

      MY2003+ ALH got a revised rollers which pushes the change to 100,000 miles.

      MY2004+ PD's are 100,00 miles for the timing belt.

      Since we are talking about MKV's, the timing belt is still at 100,000 miles, with the oil changes at 10,000 miles (after the initial two oil changes at 5,000 miles each).

      Fuel filter changes: 20,000 miles (get a Mityvac to assist in doing the fuel filter changes).

      Water separator: not really needed unless you get really crappy diesel.

      The key to diesel is buying from high volume places, so that the diesel stays fresh.


      In the winter months, use a high quality Anti-gel additive, such as Stanadyne One-Shot All-season formula (which is endorsed by VW). Many of us, use Power Service Diesel Fuel Supplement.

      Air filter: Pay extra money for the cold weather filter, which has a layer of foam glued to it, to prevent snow from soaking into the paper filter element, and acts as a pre-filter.


    10. 05-12-2008 08:51 PM #10
      Quote, originally posted by GT17V »
      Fuel filter changes: 20,000 miles (get a Mityvac to assist in doing the fuel filter changes).

      Water separator: not really needed unless you get really crappy diesel.

      Mk5s fuel filters don't have a water separator, it's all one unit, you can't drain it like you can on earlier cars.

      Mityvacs aren't that helpful with Mk5s either as they have an in-tank tandem pump.


    11. 05-12-2008 09:28 PM #11
      Quote, originally posted by GT17V »

      The rules for oil changes BY VOLKSWAGEN is every 10,000 miles after the initial two 5,000 mile oil changes.

      MY2002 ALH engines got a revised timing belt which pushes the timing belt change to 80,000 miles.

      MY2003+ ALH got a revised rollers which pushes the change to 100,000 miles.

      MY2004+ PD's are 100,00 miles for the timing belt.

      Since we are talking about MKV's, the timing belt is still at 100,000 miles, with the oil changes at 10,000 miles (after the initial two oil changes at 5,000 miles each).

      Fuel filter changes: 20,000 miles (get a Mityvac to assist in doing the fuel filter changes).

      Water separator: not really needed unless you get really crappy diesel.

      The key to diesel is buying from high volume places, so that the diesel stays fresh.


      In the winter months, use a high quality Anti-gel additive, such as Stanadyne One-Shot All-season formula (which is endorsed by VW). Many of us, use Power Service Diesel Fuel Supplement.

      Air filter: Pay extra money for the cold weather filter, which has a layer of foam glued to it, to prevent snow from soaking into the paper filter element, and acts as a pre-filter.

      Dealerships change the oil on all the Volkswagen engines every 5,000 miles, at least the (2) dealerships I have Work for. Do you know or have any idea of whow black is that oil after 5,000 miles imagine 10,000 miles it will blacker and thicker, but that's your choice you go ahead and do what you want after all is your car. About timing belts! Do you you want to talk about timing belts? Lets Do it Because I am very good at it, Dude! I have seen Several Timing belts broken between 80 and 85, we recommend the timing belts at 80,000 just to be safe, I do replace the tensioner,the upper idler roller and the (2) lower Idler rollers obviously along with the timing belt, we also recommend the water pump due to the plastic propeller. We explain the customers and they make the decision if they want to do it or not, but our job as Volkswagen professionals is to inform our customers of what could happen, because we have seen it several times before and our job is to protect their investment. And by the way I was only talking about oil changes. Have a nice day.


    12. 05-12-2008 10:59 PM #12
      Dealerships at their own discretion can recommend more servicing than what VW calls for.

      Onto the topic of oil.....
      Color is not an indication of oil condition.
      let me emphasis this again

      COLOR IS NOT AN INDICATION OF OIL CONDITION

      Try pulling the dipstick on a TDI a few minutes after an oil change--- instant black. This is why you cannot judge the oil by its color. This is why you get the oil analyzed. VW spec oils will easily last 10,000 miles based on oil analysis.


    13. 05-12-2008 11:21 PM #13
      Quote, originally posted by GT17V »
      Dealerships at their own discretion can recommend more servicing than what VW calls for.

      Onto the topic of oil.....
      Color is not an indication of oil condition.
      let me emphasis this again

      COLOR IS NOT AN INDICATION OF OIL CONDITION

      Try pulling the dipstick on a TDI a few minutes after an oil change--- instant black. This is why you cannot judge the oil by its color. This is why you get the oil analyzed. VW spec oils will easily last 10,000 miles based on oil analysis.

      You don't think I know that I would be stupid if after (9) years of WORKING on Volkswagen TDI'S I didn't Know that there is some oil left inside that engine and that the new oil kind of rinse it off therefore turning the new oil black as well. I was not judging the oil by its color. Obviously you don't get my point of the importance of oil changes every 5,000 miles. I could explain here the whole theory, why the engine oil gets black the way it does in TDI'S engines but now I am wasting my time.


    14. 05-12-2008 11:26 PM #14
      changing the oil too early on the TDI, has proven itself on OCI's to be detrimental to engine wear--- OCI's have shown, 5,000 mi oil changes on TDI's to increase wear vs. 10,000 mile oil changes, using VW specification oil.

      Also, 505.01 oils have a weird property to shear down initially, then its viscosity increases back up as it absorbs soot.

      There is theory, and then there is reality. Sometimes the two don't match up.


    15. 05-13-2008 12:00 AM #15
      I also Know what is soot, A particle made primarily of elemental black carbon, wich is found in diesel engines, soot warms the air by absorbing sunlight and radiating the heat to the air. this is also another reason to have the oil change done every 5,000 miles. About increasing the engine wear for doing the oil changes every 5,000 miles thats not true. We are not talking about heavy machinery hear we are talking about a diesel car. I know a customer that owns a 1998 BEETLE 1.9 TDI WITH 241,000 MILES and he has always done the oil changes every 5,000 miles since he bought the car and still runs like a Champ. So next time you are ready to do your 10,000 miles oil change, before you drain your oil completely take a sample and look at it tell me what you see.

    16. 05-13-2008 08:35 AM #16
      I have -02 Passat 130hp pd. VW LongLife serviceinterval for 02-03 cars could be as long as 31 000 miles with 506.01 long life oil.

      I'm using 507.00 rated oil changing it every 12500-13500 miles. Color doesn't tell anything in diesels because it turns black in 200miles.

      For TDI most important is changing air and fuel filter at least once a year especially if you live in cold climate area and use summer and winter spec diesel.


    17. 05-13-2008 01:20 PM #17
      Oh, you work for a dealer, that explains quite a bit.

      Were those 80k broken TBs on cars with 100k kits? Do you also change the stretch bolts?

      As some one said, in Europe with ULSD you can get 30,000 miles out of an oil change if you do proper sampling.

      I see your 2 broken TBs and raise you the 14 dealer botched jobs we found off the top of our search: http://forums.tdiclub.com/show...unt=1

      and the 4 dealer botched jobs oilhammer himself has done THIS YEAR alone http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=141633


    18. 05-13-2008 01:27 PM #18
      Quote, originally posted by ABIMELECH »
      I also Know what is soot, A particle made primarily of elemental black carbon, wich is found in diesel engines, soot warms the air by absorbing sunlight and radiating the heat to the air. this is also another reason to have the oil change done every 5,000 miles.

      Why is sunlight getting into my engine? I'd think that I would have bigger problems.

      Quote »
      About increasing the engine wear for doing the oil changes every 5,000 miles thats not true. We are not talking about heavy machinery hear we are talking about a diesel car.

      And the difference being? People have SHOWN, with oil sample analysis that you do have increased wear with shorter OCIs. No touchy feely 'oo look at the black oil' they actually got the numbers.


      Quote »
      I know a customer that owns a 1998 BEETLE 1.9 TDI WITH 241,000 MILES and he has always done the oil changes every 5,000 miles since he bought the car and still runs like a Champ.

      241k? that's it. That car's a Baby. Talk to us in another 150k.

      Quote »
      So next time you are ready to do your 10,000 miles oil change, before you drain your oil completely take a sample and look at it tell me what you see.

      You can't *see* anything. It's black. Why not do an Oil Sample Analysis and compare it to the dozens taken by TDIClub members? http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=154548


    19. 05-13-2008 10:35 PM #19
      I don't care you can't argue with me, I have seen what I have seen and you don't.


      Modified by ABIMELECH at 6:41 PM 5-13-2008

    20. 05-13-2008 10:45 PM #20
      Quote, originally posted by anony13 »
      Volksguru needs to get updated.

      Come on over to TDIclub.com for some better info.

      And don't take it to the dealer.

      Frequently Asked Questions Volksguru.com


      How often should I change the oil in my Volkswagen?
      Every 5,000 miles, on turbo engines it is highly recommended to use synthetic oil by Volkswagen and by Volksguru.com TDI Engines use synthetic oil as well but it is specific for this engines.Castrol SLX OR TXT 505.01 Professional Motor Oil.Use oil viscocity 5W40 or if not available 5W30. Really



    21. 05-13-2008 11:10 PM #21
      Quote, originally posted by ABIMELECH »
      soot warms the air by absorbing sunlight and radiating the heat to the air. this is also another reason to have the oil change done every 5,000 miles.

      Ummm... how does sunlight affect the oil INSIDE my engine?

      It sounds like you are throwing out quasi-technical jargon to try to impress people.

      Nine years eh? Would you be surprised to know that there are MANY people that have MANY more years working on Diesels (be they VW or otherwise) that can see that you are inaccurate in your statements and have the information to back up their statements?


    22. 05-13-2008 11:51 PM #22
      Quote, originally posted by ABIMELECH »
      Volksguru.com

      You're either a shill for volksguru or an idiot.

      http://www.vw.com/myvw/yourcar...en/us/


    23. 05-13-2008 11:56 PM #23
      Quote, originally posted by anony13 »

      You're either a shill for volksguru or an idiot.

      http://www.vw.com/myvw/yourcar...en/us/

      He is Volksguru.

      Judging by his location... he probably works for Stuart VW.


    24. 05-14-2008 04:41 AM #24
      Old TDI's need 505.00 oil. Newer PD's need 505.01 oil for normal oilchange interval = 10 000 miles

      LongLife system that we have in Europe specification is 506.00 which is 0W-30 and 507.00 / 5W-30


    25. 05-14-2008 10:56 AM #25
      O man shut up with the 5k change interval ALREADY!!! Its 10k and motor happy. Anybody who wants to learn something come over to the tdiclub everyone else can remain in there own bubble

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      05-14-2008 11:08 AM #26
      Well... I know where I'm going for my next timing belt change.

      Bro, do you even lift? When you only have 90 horsepower, you don't ever lift.
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    27. 05-14-2008 02:49 PM #27
      You guys at the dealers should read the actual service manuals more. Most modern Volkswagens are 10k mile oil change intervals and require a specific oil...

      Of course most of my paycheck this week will be coming courtesy of VW techs and not following directions...so thanks!!!


      Modified by oilhammer at 2:49 PM 5-14-2008


    28. 05-14-2008 06:33 PM #28
      What an idiot... sorry VWguru, but my last oil analysis showed 17ppm of iron in 10,200 miles

      WITH DELVAC 1, A NON PD CERTIFIED OIL, AND THE CAR IS AN 04 GOLF WITH 158k.

      Oil probably would have lasted until 20k, since the wear was so low!

      Can you show me a better analysis using a 5,000 mile interval? Better than 17ppm in 10,200 miles, or 2.5ppm/k

      9 years isnt impressive... the 25 year master tech royally screwed my EGR cooler recall, and had no idea why. He didnt use the new flex pipe and also casually forgot a few bolts.

      Not to mention VW techs have no idea what a TDI needs for a timing belt change...

      that being said, "oilhammer" knows his stuff very well, and knows how to fix a TDI!


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      05-14-2008 07:05 PM #29
      I've been changing the oil in my Golf every 10K miles since it was new (except for the first two changes which were at 5K miles). The car has 165K miles on it, runs like a top, and I doubt it'll be in any danger of blowing up from old oil anytime soon.

      In my Rabbit (non-turbo), however, I change it every 3K miles. It doesn't use synthetic, though. At about 2500-3K miles, that car starts to complain (smokes more, less power, etc).

      The owners manual on the Golf says to change it every 10K miles. I'm following what VW told me to do. I think the 'change every 5K miles' is pretty much overkill.

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    30. 05-14-2008 07:24 PM #30
      For whats its worth I change mine every 5000. I sometimes will go 10,000 but mostly at 5000. I run my car real hard and it modded to hell and back.

      Most of my customers use 10,000 miles changes.


    31. 05-15-2008 02:56 PM #31
      Quote, originally posted by ABIMELECH »

      I would be stupid if after (9) years of WORKING on Volkswagen TDI'S

      Have you fixed any of them in those (9) years of working on them?


    32. 05-15-2008 03:51 PM #32
      TIPS?
      Check out tdiclub.com
      Best tip I can give

      ALSO
      From VW.com

      Modified by wfg970792 at 11:57 AM 5-15-2008


      Modified by wfg970792 at 11:58 AM 5-15-2008


      Modified by wfg970792 at 11:59 AM 5-15-2008


    33. 05-15-2008 04:02 PM #33
      And here it is for an 06:

      Looks like 10k mile oil changes to me. Where is this 5k coming from?


      Modified by wfg970792 at 12:08 PM 5-15-2008


    34. 05-15-2008 05:20 PM #34
      It's a shame Abimelech didn't take the chance to correct himself when he was wrong.

      TDI's like the PD engine are rated at 10,000 miles between oil changes according to VW. In Europe, the same engine and oil. with the addition of the stock factory oil sensor can go 25,000. The timing belt change interval on that diesel engine is 100,000, period.

      Oh, and Abimelech was a mechanic here less than a year ago: http://www.driveforceone.com/


      But it looks like they're not around anymore and he's moved to a dealer.


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      05-15-2008 06:46 PM #35
      You guys obviously don't know anything. Volksguru.com clearly knows more about Volkswagens than the people who designed and built them. LOL!

      Besides, he's posted that lame link a half-dozen times already. Therefore, it must be true!!

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