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    Thread: So my Audi got booted, and this is what I'm going to do about it....discuss

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      06-10-2008 03:58 AM #1
      EDIT BELOW, NOTHING HAS BEEN DELETED FROM THIS FIRST POST, JUST ADDED BELOW. THIS THREAD HAS TURNED NATIONAL WITH OVER A QUARTER MILLION HITS AND POSTS COMING IN FASTER THEN YOU CAN READ THEM, EDIT BELOW PICTURE.

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      As I told myself I'd never live in a HOA community here I am. After a year here they forced upon us that we had to pay for parking passes to park outside. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ There's over 700 homes.

      Gee, I wounder why they did that?

      So you have to display your pass or you get booted, by an outsider company not associated with the HOA, they just won the contract. As the schmucks drive though they look for the obvious outsiders looking to park (visitors) and boot them, and milk the cows. "That will be $140 Sir to remove the boot."

      Well, it's just a long day @ work, your mind is busy, you park and don't put your pass on your rear view. They throw 2 boots on you, a large display sticker, phone # and $140 removal fee. I've parked in the same spot for 3 months, always displayed, they know the car, a extensively modified Audi parked in the same spot for 3 months with a displayed pass. It's a no brainier I have a pass.

      Gee, I wounder why the pass isn't a permanent sticker?

      Now, why wouldn't I always keep the pass hanging from my rearveiw? Being in the top 10 auto theft capitals in the country, I'm not comfortable DISPLAYING where I live when the community is displayed in the largest characters on the pass.<p>The plastered WARNING sticker on the window mentions you will be penalized to the fullest of law if you remove or damage the boots. So I called the cops.........only one.....but she said I can not damage the the boots, however nothing illegal about removing them.

      You know the case, if you don't pay up evenly you'll get towed,so.......

      I'm just going to get some f-ing dollies, install them and push the freaking Audi right into the garage you bsaterds. Give them a call to come get their num nut boots..........................and the Audi is undergoing a semi-rebuild....I don't need them off...they won't bother me keeping them on....I don't need to drive it.....a waiting game means nothing.

      I own my home, they can not come on the individual property unless I grant permission, and they can not tow it as it'll be in the garage. <p>Discuss <p>Currently outside with 2 boots on it, it'll just look like this again with boots on it, same spot. *Edit: Added below picture





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      06-10-2008 04:02 AM #2
      Good job to you!<br>Id do the same in your position.
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    3. 06-10-2008 04:03 AM #3
      What a ridiculous rule. <p>I like your idea, go with it and let us know what happens. But be careful when pushing the car on dollies. <p><br><BR><BR>
      <i>Modified by JunkStory at 1:04 AM 6-10-2008</i>

    4. 06-10-2008 04:21 AM #4
      so... just curious, what are the dues for the HOA actually paying for? To pay some private company to boot people's cars?

    5. 06-10-2008 04:27 AM #5
      i second your idea. <p>keep us updated on what happens.

    6. 06-10-2008 05:07 AM #6
      We've got a similar situation going on in downtown Orlando - due to fuel prices.<p>A towing company here that has a lot of contracts with private parking lots is using boots instead of towing cars now due to the high price of fuel.<p>It's on the news all the time about how aggressive they are and booting inappropriately. One guy got his Pepsi delivery truck booted, a big semi-truck, while he was delivering to a building. His boss (at Pepsi) had the truck towed back to their shop where they cut the boot off. That was in the paper - they didn't get in trouble for cutting the boot off.<p>The town council is in the process of drafting a law that makes booting illegal on private property.<p>Why would they use two boots? Never heard of that, I'm originally from Denver, where the boot was invented.

    7. 06-10-2008 05:39 AM #7
      pay a locksmith 20 bucks to remove the boot for you, <p>keep the boots.<p>Drive up to the house of the president of the homeowner's association and put the boot on his car.

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      06-10-2008 05:39 AM #8
      So they can come through and boot on a public street? Or is it private?<p>In any case, good luck. Being an armchair lawyer myself, I think you can destroy the boot with a sawzall...it's on your car.

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      06-10-2008 05:45 AM #9
      technically it is illegal to hold someones car ransom in Arizona...call them and tell them to remove the boot...if they refuse call the police...they can bill you if they want and take you to court but I doubt it is worth their time...happened to me in Flagstaff I was picking someone up to go out and was inside for 10 minutes and got booted...it sucked.
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    10. 06-10-2008 05:46 AM #10
      <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JimmyGolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pay a locksmith 20 bucks to remove the boot for you, <p>keep the boots.<p>Drive up to the house of the president of the homeowner's association and put the boot on his car.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>BEST. IDEA. EVER. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I strongly urge you to do this. Scrape off any serial number on the boot so that they won't know where the boot came from.

    11. 06-10-2008 05:52 AM #11
      I think I would go on a shooting spree if I ever had to deal with a HOA or parking passes to park at my house.<p>After this I would read all the fine print in the HOA rules and do every tacky/ wierd thing possible with out breaking any rules. Start mowning the grass or washing your cars in a speedo just to #$@& with them.

    12. 06-10-2008 05:56 AM #12
      Take the boots off.<p>Place them on your well-manicured front lawn with a big-ass chain locking it to a secure pole. <p>Then attach a huge sign above the two boots that says "BEWARE OF BOOT"<p>That'll piss off the homeowner association real good.

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      06-10-2008 06:06 AM #13
      You have some good points. But your HOA is going to hide behind the rules. Common sense simply isn't these days (directed at the HOA not you). My HOA is fairly lax on parking enforcement. But that could easily change if someone gets antsy. I'd like to see pix on how to remove boots (pgl911rs@aol.com). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
      <i>Modified by 155VERT83 at 10:09 AM 6-10-2008</i>
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    14. 06-10-2008 06:14 AM #14
      Go for it... Dolly Pics?

    15. 06-10-2008 06:37 AM #15
      <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>The A1 and A2 German</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I'm just going to get some f-ing dollys, install them and push the freaking Audi right into the garage you bsaterds. Give them a call to come get their num nut boots...</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Do it. Then call up the parking company and tell them it will be $300 to get their boots back...

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      06-10-2008 06:42 AM #16
      Pay locksmith to remove boots and rekey. Find vehicle owned by company who booted you and install boots on it.<p>

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      06-10-2008 07:04 AM #17
      of course you could always just saw them off and then when they ask say it must have been some neighborhood kids messing around because your car is safe in your garage and you never saw a boot.
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      06-10-2008 08:06 AM #18
      <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...we had to pay for parking passes to park outside.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>For parking in your drive way? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://**********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>For parking <b>on the street</b>? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>It happens all the time in my neighborhood. People don't realize that vehicles parked on opposite sides of the street (directly across from each other) means <B>one way traffic</B> (no, I don't live on a 4-lane highway <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> )...a safety hazard if it means playing chicken with an F150 or Chevy Silverado going 40mph in a 30mph zone. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Same story with garage sales...the people that frequent them aren't the sharpest tools in the box either. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Are the boots steel or cast iron? If they're steel, sell them as scrap. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/biggrin_upper.gif" BORDER="0">

    19. 06-10-2008 08:07 AM #19
      so basically i think everyone in the car lounge is saying, don't give in and don't pay a dime. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>keep us posted and post some dolly pix <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

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      06-10-2008 08:20 AM #20
      it is a fine line between being neighborly and enforcing association rules.<p>sucks they don't er on the side of leniency for residents.<p>stick it to 'em!

    21. 06-10-2008 08:22 AM #21
      Somehow my condo association is able to survive without parking passes/stickers. Thank goodness.

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      06-10-2008 08:23 AM #22
      I'm in a HOA where some people park a ton of cars on the street every day. Basically it looks like someone is having a big party....every day. And with people parking on the opposite side of the street, it does choke off traffic. Plus you'll have people that "bully" their way through the now one-way, one at a time choke points and it is a real pain. Plus it kind of makes the place look dumpy in my opinion.<p>That said, there has to be a better way to handle the situation than booting cars like they do at your HOA. Maybe only do that if they're a "repeat offender" and also, rather than a temp pass that you hang on your mirror, how a bout a sticker for the window that doesn't say where you live, but is identifiable to the parking enforcers? Maybe only the pass you hang on the mirror bit for visitors?<BR><BR>
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      06-10-2008 08:26 AM #23
      You have to pay to park <i>in your own driveway?</i> Or on the street? If so that is some wicked BS.<p>Either way, more power to you sir. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
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      06-10-2008 08:26 AM #24
      <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>irsa76</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Pay locksmith to remove boots and rekey. Find vehicle owned by company who booted you and install boots on it.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>WINNNER! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/biggrin_upper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

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      <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>badb5</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>It's on the news all the time about how aggressive they are and booting inappropriately. One guy got his Pepsi delivery truck booted, a big semi-truck, while he was delivering to a building. His boss (at Pepsi) had the truck towed back to their shop where they cut the boot off. That was in the paper - they didn't get in trouble for cutting the boot off.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>LMAO!! That's like the beginning scenes for the movie "Cast Away" when they had to unload that FedEx truck in Red Square that was booted.<p>"Yeah, I guess that would be stuck"<p>But to boot a delivery truck is just assinine. I double parked all the time when I worked for Pepsi on my route and the cops never gave me any trouble.<p>I'll take messy yards and ghetto living over a Nazi regime any day. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
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      06-10-2008 08:29 AM #26
      Please post pix of the car booted in your garage when it gets there. Awesome.<p>If you need help afterwards figuring out how to get them off, post them up and I'm sure TCL will be there FTW <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>

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      when you finish the rebuild, please consider getting a vanity plat that reads "DAS BOOT".

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      06-10-2008 08:37 AM #29
      This would be an awesome How To thread on removing boots! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/biggrin_upper.gif" BORDER="0"> keep us posted
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      I've never had experience with a boot. Do they use ordinary key lock cylinders? The kind of thing that would only need to be replaced if you, say, DRILLED the mother****er out? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/biggrin_upper.gif" BORDER="0">
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      Once in your garage, here's some light reading to get those suckers off……<p><A HREF="http://web.mit.edu/minidev/lib/boot" TARGET="_blank">http://web.mit.edu/minidev/lib/boot</A><p>
      How We Beat the Boot<p><br>Parking boots are public property.<p>The parking-control officers who attach them to your wheels intend for<br>them to stay there until you've paid off your fines. Removing the boot<br>without authorization, or damaging it in any way, is a crime.<p>Nevertheless, in cities like Denver and Boston, where the boot has been<br>a part of life for years, the contraptions occasionally disappear. In<br>some cities, more than 10 percent of the boot stock has vanished or been<br>rendered inoperable.<p>That came as no surprise to the mechanical experts who examined our<br>boot. The boot, they say, is nowhere near as tough as it looks. Anyone<br>with less than $30 worth of basic hand tools and enough dexterity to<br>screw in a light bulb can probably break the boot's grip on a car wheel<br>in about ten minutes.<p>The boot is designed to intimidate, our experts say; its toughest parts<br>are the ones that would be the most obvious targets for boot-busting<br>vandals -- the lock mechanism, for example. With a special<br>tamper-resistant padlock surrounded by a box made of quarter-inch carbon<br>steel plates, the lock will stand up to just about anything short of a<br>low-yield nuclear device. So our bootbusters ignored the lock and<br>looked for other less-obvious places where the boot could be attacked.<br>It took them no time to discover several major weak points in the boot's<br>protective armor.<p>Deflating the tire.<p>If the boot is going to work properly, it must be properly installed,<br>and that's not an easy process -- especially in the dark, when you have<br>a long night of boot-installing ahead. If the installation is even a bit<br>sloppy (that is, if the jaws that attach the boot to the wheel are a<br>little bit loose), it's often possible to remove the boot by letting the<br>air out of the tire and simply sliding the whole thing off.<p>This is by far the simplest strategy. It doesn't always work --<br>conscientious installer can prevent it almost every time, and some car<br>wheels don't leave enough room for the process anyway. But veterans of<br>boot-happy cities have told us they've removed dozens of boots this way,<br>quickly, quietly, and easily.<p>The hubcap plate.<p>A key element to the boot's effectiveness is its ability to prevent<br>car-owners from getting access to the lug nuts on the booted wheel. Once<br>the lug nuts are accessible, the wheel can be removed and replaced with<br>a spare tire, and the car can be driven away.<p>If the boot is properly installed, the plate will be tightly secured<br>over the hubcaps, making it impossible event to imagine loosening the<br>lug nuts. But the plate is one of the more flimsy parts of the boot;<br>it's attached by a half-inch swivel pin that is spot-welded to the<br>frame. As our boot-busting experts explained, spot welds that hold<br>together two pieces of metal of different thicknesses are inherently<br>weak. There are several such welds on the boot, and this one is<br>especially vulnerable.<p>With a common battery-powered drill and a 15-cent grinding wheel or<br>"cut-off tool", one of our experts was able to grind away most of the<br>weld on the pin in about two minutes. With a five-dollar cold chisel and<br>a standard hammer, he did the same job even faster.<p>Once the weld is broken, a quick blow with a hammer forced the pin out,<br>releasing the plate from the boot frame and making it easy to change the<br>tire and drive away, leaving the old, boot-laden tire behind (or safely<br>stowed in the trunk as a souvenir).<p>The jaw-to-frame pins.<p>The main frame of the boot -- the "arm" -- fit into a pair of metal pins<br>on the wheel-clamp, or "jaw". The pins are a central element of the<br>boot's structure. They're also one of its weakest links.<p>The pins are only about an inch long. when the boot is installed, they<br>appear to be connected to each other through some sort of thick, central<br>rod. In fact, they're just stuck into holes drilled in the frame, and<br>spot-welded at the bottom.<p>Even when the boot is assembled, there's plenty of free play between the<br>arm and the pins. A few strong, sharp blows with a hammer on the top of<br>the pins quickly breaks them free and makes them easy to remove. With<br>those pins gone, the boot comes apart immediately.<p>The welds holding the lock-box to the frame. For all the effort that the<br>bootmakers put into developing an impregnable locking mechanism, it's<br>amazing how loosely the lock-box is attached to the rest of the boot.<br>Four flimsy spot-welds hold the entire padlock-and-cover-plate assembly<br>to the main boot frame. It took an expert just a few seconds to chip<br>away one of the welds with a chisel and hammer; when one of our spastic,<br>incompetent, weak-wristed editors tried it on a second weld a few days<br>later, it took less than a minute.<p>Once the lock-box is liberated from the frame, the entire boot can be<br>dismantled and removed quickly with a ratchet and standard (16-inch)<br>spark-plug socket.<p>The arm itself.<p>If all else fails, our experts discovered that they could actually cut<br>through the tough-looking steel of the main arm with a battery-powered<br>drill and a cut-off tool. forget the oxyacetylene torches and the nitric<br>acid -- the boot arm cuts like butter with a cheap hobbyist's tool. By<br>our calculations, a standard drill-and-cut-off tool set-up can cut<br>through the main arm in less than ten minutes.<p>The padlock keys.<p>When the parking-control officers come to remove a boot, the first thing<br>they have to do is unlock the padlock. Since the city is buying about<br>100 of the monsters, it seems highly unlikely that every boot will have<br>a different key. In other cities, like Denver, a single master key<br>unlocks them all.<p>That means, of course, that an anarchist thug with a penchant for<br>trouble-making (or a wily hustler with an eye for a quick profit) could<br>easily dismantle and remove the boot from some poor innocent scofflaw's<br>illegally parked car, take the thing home, bust the lock off and pay a<br>less-than-scrupulous locksmith to make up a new key -- a key that would<br>instantly unlock every boot in the city.<p>Of course, the city can always change all the padlocks on a regular<br>basis (although they don't come cheap). But if we know this city, the<br>pirates will soon be making and selling the keys faster than the cops<br>can replace the locks, forcing the taxpayers to pour ever-increasing<br>sums of money into a parking-law-enforcement mechanism that is neither<br>appropriate nor effective for San Francisco.<br>

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      06-10-2008 08:48 AM #32
      Two boots is just obnoxious. I say that there are some good ideas here, booting the company owner's car, selling for scrap, booting the boot-mobile while it's parked. <p>personally I vote for booting the boot-mobile after hours with your own lock... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I also agree that dolly pics are needed.<p>Good luck with sticking it to the man. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

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      06-10-2008 08:48 AM #33
      Keep parking your car outside and keep cutting the boots off. The company will run out of them at SOME point.
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    34. 06-10-2008 08:59 AM #34
      <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ATL_Av8r</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Keep parking your car outside and keep cutting the boots off. The company will run out of them at SOME point.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Good idea. I'd rather buy an angle grinder than pay the fine. Don't pay the fine.<p>Oh yeah, move to somewhere without a HOA.

    35. 06-10-2008 09:03 AM #35
      <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JimmyGolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pay a locksmith 20 bucks to remove the boot for you, <p>keep the boots.<p>Drive up to the house of the president of the homeowner's association and put the boot on his car.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>My favorite reply so far. <p>Keep us updated......stories like these really raise my blood pressure. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/mad.gif" BORDER="0">

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