the 096/01m internal harness DIY...enjoy!

[MRosier]

cool, im gonna swap the new solenoid i bought from the n89 position and stick it in n91 and put the original n89 solenoid back in.

[CoolAirVw]

Quote, originally posted by MRosier »

cool, im gonna swap the new solenoid i bought from the n89 position and stick it in n91 and put the original n89 solenoid back in.

N91 = 3 ohms
n89 = 60 ohms

Wont work

Modified by CoolAirVw at 11:07 AM 7-28-2009


Modified by CoolAirVw at 11:25 AM 7-28-2009

[rinux1]

i have some problems with a my transmission, is slipping when engage second and forth, what do you think it could be? no codes with a obd11 i don't have the vag


Modified by rinux1 at 11:42 AM 7-28-2009

[MRosier]

Quote, originally posted by CoolAirVw »

N91 = 3 ohms n89 = 60 ohms Wont work Modified by CoolAirVw at 11:07 AM 7-28-2009

I thought all the shift solenoids were the same?

this is where i ordered the solenoid from before: http://www.makcotransmissionparts.com/75421A.html

it says order 6 for a set.. so there must not be a difference.. i know what youre saying about the resistance though n89 is 55-65 ohm and n91 is 4.5-5.1


Modified by MRosier at 2:20 PM 7-28-2009

[rychas1]

they are not the same. i can see the confusion. the n91=n93 (EPC). the others are the shift solenoids.


Modified by rychas1 at 11:35 AM 7-28-2009

[MRosier]

so where can i order a n91 solenoid?

[CoolAirVw]

Quote, originally posted by rinux1 »

i have some problems with a my transmission, is slipping when engage second and forth, what do you think it could be? no codes with a obd11 i don't have the vag

So now you have slips in 2nd and 4th?? With as many transmission related problems as you have posted about you better get the VAG. Or since you dont have the VAG and since there isn't a fix posted for any of the others I'll suggest you should probably just take the car to a good trans mechanic.

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[rychas1]

the same site! next one down...

http://www.bulkpart.com/Mercha...unt=1

[rinux1]

well if i wanted to take the car to a mechanic, i wouldn't be asking in this forum, the goal is to do it yourself, that is the forum for, am i wrong?, thanks anyway i thank you for the time you take to answer

[rychas1]

he is saying that the obd2 reader may not give all codes that vagcom may show. check the regional forums are try to find someone local with one. it really does pay for itself.

[rinux1]

thanks richas1, i think that best to do, really good post by the way, very useful post

[CoolAirVw]

Quote, originally posted by rinux1 »

thanks richas1, i think that best to do, really good post by the way, very useful post

Somehow I feel blighted. But I'm ok, cuz I'm smart enough, I'm good enough, and dammit people like me.

[rychas1]

you are awesome!

[CoolAirVw]

No your awesome! You've got MAD trans skills! You help people!

Where'd ya learn all your trans stuff at?

[rychas1]

crying, bleeding over my many auto trannies. plus i just read diagrams over and over. i am a novice, honestly.

[MRosier]

ok so I still havent had any luck fixing this damn trans.

are these trannys finicky about the trans fluid level? like if its too low will it not shift?

a quick run down:

purchased car with a CEL (in limp mode) so i cleared it and it shifted perfectly for days before the CEL came back. generic scanner said shift solenoid D

was told by rychas to replace N89, so I did and cleared codes, would not shift at all. basically the symptoms got worse after I did that. I put in new oem fluid..

however no CEL ever came back after that...so I got it hooked up to VAG and it told me solenoid N91 open or short to ground...

replaced that solenoid with a low ohm one that coolairvw sold to me and there was absolutely no improvement from before I changed the solenoid. only thing I got was an immediate CEL for shift solenoid D again (generic OBD2 scanner)

however I reused the fluid that I drained out, and it wasnt quite enough because nothing ever drained out during the refill.

please help me get this thing fixed! I dont have direct access to VAG, I have to take it up to eip tuning for them to do it

[rychas1]

i am sorry that still no luck, but hey, u got rid of the CEL nonetheless, if u have 0 codes, fluid is the right type/level, filter new, and all that jazz, then it HAS to be the lack of a vagcom not pulling up a certain code that is your issue. having that vagcom makes a difference! did u post in the south forum for vagcom help?? did u go by the dealer? they can scan and make a recommendation, but u dont have to get the work done there.

[MRosier]

well no, now i have a code for shift solenoid D which is back where I started. at one point I wasnt getting a code with the obd2 scanner. as soon as i changed the N91 solenoid which is the one that vag com came up with when i took it up to EIP tuning, the code came back with my obd2 scanner. the fluid level is low, when i refilled it for the 2nd time i didnt have anymore to top it off, no fluid drained out of the hole when i was filling it which is why i asked if itll not shift if it has low fluid

[rychas1]

correct. incorrect fluid (too high or low) will not shift. get that right!! it should drip out of the hole. make sure its warm.

[1997993]

subscribed for info

[xvdubtunerx]

alrighty-- I read up and did my hmwk and so hopefully I won't be wasting anyones time with noobery...

I have a 1997 Jetta with the auto tranny. Not sure if thats an 096 or a 01m but its been shifting like piss for months and I just got a CEL with code P0740 - torque converter clutch solenoid circuit.

I don't have/know anyone with VAGCOM, but before I continue some background:

car was in an accident, and some tranny fluid was lost. I've since checked it and it appears to still be leaking a bit. I'm going to dig into it and fix whatever it is thats bent or broken. I also just did a head gasket job and replaced the head, as it was warped and leaking water into the oil. (at the same time, the water pump, thermostat, and various other items were replaced).

I read that vacuum signature affects these trannies with their adaptive whatever junk, so I did a "reset" of the tranny using the Bentley instructions of holding down the accel. pedal. CEL stayed on and nothing appeared to change.

SO i searched the net and found nothing relevant to my OBD2 code, and so I came here to this thread because frankly I didn't know what else do to.

Tranny was supposedly replaced just before we bought it, but **** all if i know if thats true or not.

In any case -- these are the resistance readings I got from the round plug to the solenoids:

EV-1: 100ohms
EV-2: 120ohms
EV-3: 70ohms
EV-4: 5 ohms
EV-5: 160 ohms
EV-6: 5ohms
Ev-7: 120ohms
TFT: infinity on x10 scale, between 500 and 100 on x1k scale

it appears to me that either the harness or the solenoid (or both!) are bad -- except ev3, ev4, ev6, and the tft appear to check ok. the ambient air temperature today when I measured was between 90 and 100 degrees all day though, and the ohm readings earlier in this thread were spec at 70-something degrees -- so not sure if my readings are within spec or wayyy out of whack. that's my first question.

my second question is, am I barking up the wrong tree?

my theory is thus:
my brother had his accident
tranny lost fluid
began running like piss
tranny continued losing fluid
overheated
harness fried

result: CEL and terrible shifting.

am I on the right track here folks? help would be appreciated. My next step, assuming you guys think I'm on the right path -- is to replace the filter, fluid, and harness/solenoids. I'm also going to determine if the pan or something else is responsible for the leak.

THANKS!!!

Modified by xvdubtunerx at 5:13 PM 8-27-2009


Modified by xvdubtunerx at 6:26 PM 8-27-2009

[rxfx101]

Quote, originally posted by xvdubtunerx »

alrighty-- I read up and did my hmwk and so hopefully I won't be wasting anyones time with noobery... t. In any case -- these are the resistance readings I got from the round plug to the solenoids: EV-1: 100ohms EV-2: 120ohms EV-3: 70ohms EV-4: 5 ohms EV-5: 160 ohms EV-6: 5ohms Ev-7: 120ohms TFT: infinity on x10 scale, between 500 and 100 on x1k scale my second question is, am I barking up the wrong tree? my theory is thus: my brother had his accident tranny lost fluid began running like piss tranny continued losing fluid overheated harness fried result: CEL and terrible shifting. am I on the right track here folks? help would be appreciated. My next step, assuming you guys think I'm on the right path -- is to replace the filter, fluid, and harness/solenoids. I'm also going to determine if the pan or something else is responsible for the leak. THANKS!!! Modified by xvdubtunerx at 5:13 PM 8-27-2009 Modified by xvdubtunerx at 6:26 PM 8-27-2009

ok well solenoid's 4 and 6 are supposed to be around 4.5-6.5 ohms, the other 5 are supposed to be 55-65 ohms.

so i agree they are out of spec and it seems it could be the cable.

spec's:

sol. 1 -N88-
sol. 2 -N89-
sol. 3 -N90-
sol. 5 -N92-
sol. 7 -N94-

all 55-65 ohms

sol 4. -N91-
sol 6 -N93-

all 4.5-6.5 ohms

[xvdubtunerx]

ok-- so you don't think the extremely warm ambient air temps had anything to do with it?

I'm going to open her up today and see what I find. pictures to come. Do you guys think this is the problem resulting in my OBD2 p0740 code?

[rychas1]

as stated before, your 4 and 6 are with norms, the others are not. that means harness. the harness could also mean the TCC code will show up. TCC is controlled by ev4, which is in spec, but still...signals are not getting around, thus the code.

solution...change harness, recheck specs, but be prepared to also change the out of spec solenoids once the codes are cleared and the test drive. the harness may solve it all. get to work

[joshsjetta]

I've read thru this topic at least 3 times now and think I have a grasp on things.
N88, N89, N90, N92, N94 shift solenoids
N91, N93 pressure solenoids

I have no codes but am getting a hard shift from 2nd-3rd. See this post: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4537361

Replacing N93 has been recommended, but since it only occurs during 2nd-3rd I think N93 is functioning properly. I'm leaning towards shift solenoids at this point.

What steps would you recommend at this point? Checking resistance, etc? I appreciate any advice/help you can give. Thanks!

[rychas1]

even without codes, do the tcu relearn/tb adaptation (stated throughout the thread and the beginning) just to be sure. then, i would check resistance at the round plug(the harness plug into the ribbon). determine that, and then replaced solenoids accordingly. i will tell you corresponding solenoids when you get back to me on that.

[CoolAirVw]

Quote, originally posted by xvdubtunerx »

I have a 1997 Jetta with the auto tranny. Not sure if thats an 096 or a 01m but its been shifting like piss for months and I just got a CEL with code P0740 - torque converter clutch solenoid circuit.

P0740 really doesn't mean TCC solenoid circuit. This is why folks need vag-com.

P0740 corresponds to VAg-code 01192 which means tcc slip.

BIG DIFFERENCE!

I fixed 01192 in the following thread.

http://forums.tdiclub.com/show...t=01m

[CoolAirVw]

Quote, originally posted by joshsjetta »

I've read thru this topic at least 3 times now and think I have a grasp on things. N88, N89, N90, N92, N94 shift solenoids N91, N93 pressure solenoids I have no codes but am getting a hard shift from 2nd-3rd. See this post: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4537361 Replacing N93 has been recommended, but since it only occurs during 2nd-3rd I think N93 is functioning properly. I'm leaning towards shift solenoids at this point. What steps would you recommend at this point? Checking resistance, etc? I appreciate any advice/help you can give. Thanks!

I posted in your thread.....

[joshsjetta]

Thanks. I will test the solenoids and get back to you with my findings.

[al bundy]

Hi guys.
I have a problem with a 4-speed automatic gearbox on a Golf MK3 motor AAA.
The car goes over the place with step 1, change in step 2 and after 2 sec is to 1, increasing engine speed, passing and in 2 and is 1 and so on.
ATF level is good, I have no error code on the machine.

[joshsjetta]

Finally got a Fluke. Here are my resistance readings:
EV-1 N88 82ohms
EV-2 N89 154ohms
EV-3 N90 69ohms
EV-4 N91 5.3ohms
EV-5 N92 84ohms
EV-6 N93 5.1ohms
EV-7 N94 67ohms
TFT 75 on K scale

Although N88 and N92 are a little off, N89 is way out of whack. If I am correct, N89 is the 2nd gear solenoid. That would make sense why 2nd-3rd shifts are harsh at times. Your thoughts/suggestions?

Modified by joshsjetta at 3:05 PM 9-22-2009

[rychas1]

everything is off, but n93 (barely). cable for sure! n89 is a 2nd gear solenoid, not the 2nd gear solenoid. do work...

[rychas1]

Quote, originally posted by al bundy »

Hi guys. I have a problem with a 4-speed automatic gearbox on a Golf MK3 motor AAA. The car goes over the place with step 1, change in step 2 and after 2 sec is to 1, increasing engine speed, passing and in 2 and is 1 and so on. ATF level is good, I have no error code on the machine.

not sure i fully understand this... please restate.

[joshsjetta]

Well, I had already ordered the solenoid so I will try that first. If it doesn't help, I know what to replace next.
Also, would measuring resistance at a temp higher than 72degrees affect results? I just realized I had checked resistance when the car was still hot.
Thanks for your help


Modified by joshsjetta at 10:49 PM 9-22-2009

[rychas1]

its supposed to be up to that temp before anything is done, so its accurate.