VWOA Class Action Suit For Premature Timing Belt Failure Recall Information

**4LUGVDUB** · 07-15-2008 08:13 AM

My 2002 1.8t Gti/337 just sheared 12 teeth off the belt while doing 70mph on the highway with only 82,000 miles on the clock where vw only recomends inspection at 80k no replacement schedule until 105k. I am sure I bent valves if not damaged pistons as well. Seeing as the tensioner/idler and belt are the same exact part #s as the A4, Passat and tt why is it only these vehicles being covered in recall ?????
Tensioner part # 06B 109 477
Idler/Roller # 06B 109 119A
Belt 06B 109 243D

SAME EXACT PART #S SO WHY ARE OUR CARS NOT COVERED IN THIS SUIT!! Yes I am shouting

I am contacting this attorney that filed the suit tomorrow to see whats being done.

On June 22, 2007 Pearson, Simon, Soter, Warshaw & Penny, LLP filed a class action lawsuit against Volkswagen alleging that the timing belts for model year 1999 - 2003 Audi and Volkswagen vehicles equipped with a 1.8 liter turbo-charged engine fail prematurely. The vehicles included are the Audi TT, Audi A4 and Volkswagen Passat. The complaint alleges that the timing belts fail prior to the service interval, as stated in the owner's manual. Plaintiff, on behalf of herself and the Class, is seeking reimbursement for the damages incurred relating to timing belt failures. Additionally, the complaint seeks an order requiring Volkswagen and Audi to update their owner's manuals to require periodic inspections.

UPDATE: The parties have reached a class-wide settlement. Preliminary approval of the settlement was granted by the court on May 19, 2008. Claim forms, class notice and other documentation will be mailed on or about August 1, 2008. Details regarding the terms of the settlement will be in the notice sent to owner's of the class vehicles.

Link to Attorney Office which filed the suit and reached an agreement
http://www.psswplaw.com/CM/Cla...n.asp

I am calling them today, if you paid big money I would suggest trying to recoupe some of it by giving them a call.

**mhjett** · 07-15-2008 08:17 AM

simple answer: going only from what you posted, the golf/jetta aren't included in the settlement because they weren't included in the lawsuit.

**Isgro** · 07-15-2008 08:20 AM

Did you get the recommended 80,000 mile check done? If the belt was on it's way out, wouldn't this inspection have noticed these faults and prompted you to replace it before it blew at 82,000 miles? Just playing devils advocate here.

**4LUGVDUB** · 07-15-2008 08:24 AM

Looks that way, but that can change if enough people with failures get together and file for ours as well.

If you have had a failure, please add your name to the post I would say the Passat, A4 TT cases sets plenty of precedent.

**4LUGVDUB** · 07-15-2008 08:29 AM

I checked it personally walked the crank all the around no stress cracks, grooves and tension was good.

its not really the belt they are blaming, but the tensioner. Its hydraulic and if it loses pressure it lets the belt slack and belt skips at 3000 rpm highway speed in my case = fubar

so the belt is merely symptomatic of the underlying problem

**Tucci** · 07-15-2008 08:37 AM

Quote, originally posted by 4LUGVDUB »

I checked it personally walked the crank all the around no stress cracks, grooves and tension was good.

its not really the belt they are blaming, but the tensioner. Its hydraulic and if it loses pressure it lets the belt slack and belt skips at 3000 rpm highway speed in my case = fubar

so the belt is merely symptomatic of the underlying problem

so you checked it? haha Instead of brining it to a dealer or qualified shop that may have been able to foresee this as they work on the cars daily, you checked it and now want to sue VW. Amazing.

Modified by Tucci at 8:39 AM 7-15-2008

**Grey Mouser** · 07-15-2008 09:39 AM

good luck toolio. Shoulda got it checked by a VW tech. I'd say you are boned.

**nm+** · 07-15-2008 09:42 AM

Quote, originally posted by Isgro »

Did you get the recommended 80,000 mile check done? If the belt was on it's way out, wouldn't this inspection have noticed these faults and prompted you to replace it before it blew at 82,000 miles? Just playing devils advocate here.

This is what VW will say and may win on this.
Hwoever, given the same PN as the passat, the issue on the passat was a failing tensioner that gave no warning before failure.

**B4A3WhatNext** · 07-15-2008 10:03 AM

I have to say that the law firm that filed the suit seems to make a living off of class-action suits. It'll be interesting to see exactly how much of the settlement accrues to the law firm and how much to the plaintiffs. IMO, such suits are almost always settled for the benefit of the lawyers, with very little useful consideration for the actual members of the class.

**velocipedio** · 07-15-2008 10:05 AM

Quote, originally posted by 4LUGVDUB »

I checked it personally walked the crank all the around no stress cracks, grooves and tension was good.

its not really the belt they are blaming, but the tensioner. Its hydraulic and if it loses pressure it lets the belt slack and belt skips at 3000 rpm highway speed in my case = fubar

so the belt is merely symptomatic of the underlying problem

You will lose. You didn't get the belt inspected by VW.

**20thAna3282** · 07-15-2008 10:09 AM

Quote, originally posted by velocipedio »

You will lose. You didn't get the belt inspected by VW.

x2

If you even get a cent i would be shocked.

**saron81** · 07-15-2008 10:32 AM

So a maintainence item failed on your now 7 year old/80,000 mile car... and you want to sue VW? WOW. If you were that worried about it, why didn't you replace it early? You seem to indicate you knew it was a common problem that if went unchecked, could cause extreme engine damage. The maintence schedule is just a "recommended" replacement schedule. Not every vehicle is going to have the same needs. Some will need replaced early, some will last forever. Could've saved yourself a lot of money! Do you think I could sue Ford because my 98 Contour needs converters?

**kerridwen** · 07-15-2008 10:34 AM

Quote, originally posted by 4LUGVDUB »

I checked it personally walked the crank all the around no stress cracks, grooves and tension was good.

its not really the belt they are blaming, but the tensioner. Its hydraulic and if it loses pressure it lets the belt slack and belt skips at 3000 rpm highway speed in my case = fubar

so the belt is merely symptomatic of the underlying problem

LOL!!!

The real problem is that something got lost during the translation.

Just go check what the replacement interval is in KMs in EU cars, and you'll see that it is the same # of kilometers as miles, like if they hadn't done the kms to miles conversion...

There is no way in hell I would expect a timing belt to last 168,000kms. All VWs I've had or that my family had, called for a new belt every 90,000kms.

Also, a bit of research shows that to be safe, you have to replace the belt at about 60,000 miles...

**VWGUY4EVER** · 07-15-2008 10:42 AM

Quote, originally posted by Tucci »

so you checked it? haha Instead of brining it to a dealer or qualified shop that may have been able to foresee this as they work on the cars daily, you checked it and now want to sue VW. Amazing.

Not advocating going to the "stealership" but had you taken it and paid .5hr inspection time at 80K, when the belt failed at 82K, you'd have a very STRONG leg to stand on with VW.

**anon_az** · 07-15-2008 10:43 AM

When I had my GTI, I replaced the belt and waterpump at 65K regardless of what VW recommended. I researched the weak points on the car and gathered this was an important piece of preventative maintenance to do. I understand you want to blame VW, and even if it's legally sound, there is more than enough info out there to tell you to change the stock belt / waterpump earlier than the recommended interval.

**TREGinginCO** · 07-15-2008 11:02 AM

There is only one set of winners in a class action lawsuit.... the lawyers!!

My advice to anyone is to never get involved in those things... because the only people who see any benefit is the attorneys who collect their payments.

I'm not even going to wade in on the issue of suing VW for an issue at 82,000 miles.

**GTI 20v** · 07-15-2008 11:44 AM

The timing belt failed in my 2001 GTI in the same manner- shearing teeth off. FWIW, the "80k inspection" is meaningless. I visually inspected my timing belt a few hours before it failed and there were no apparent flaws. It even passed the inspection criteria layed out in the Bentley manual.

Forunately for me, the ensuing engine damage (bent every exhaust valve) was covered under the 10/100k powertrain warranty.

**2004turbo** · 07-15-2008 12:28 PM

Mine went out at 40k

. I want a Audi so bad but won't let myself because of that

**TabulaVicious** · 07-15-2008 12:29 PM

You bought a Volkswagen, that's why you're being treated like a second-class citizen.

**atomicalex** · 07-15-2008 01:20 PM

If you'd hauled in for the maintenance check, I'd say you have some leeway and would be able to find a dealer to cover it for you. However, without a stamp in your book, you're kind of screwed.

I remember taking my wagon in for that check: I took pizza, homemade cookies, and a bunch of other goodies in along with the request to just check the belt and stamp my manual. I paid the $100 labor, too, without any gripes. Why? Because if the belt had gone, I wanted coverage, and I wanted the techs to think of me well so they would beg VW for me.

Last time I had a belt go, it was on our old 2.0, and it was covered in full because we were on good terms with the dealer.

**SinisterMind** · 07-15-2008 01:25 PM

I had my belts changed at 70k. The belt itself was fine, but the tensioner was worn out. It could've failed before the 80k mark.

**driveareliablecar** · 07-15-2008 01:35 PM

Most proceeds from a class action lawsuit will go to the lawyers.
Don't buy and car with an interference engine.

**GTI 20v** · 07-15-2008 01:37 PM

Quote, originally posted by driveareliablecar »

Don't buy and car with an interference engine.

Please tell us, what new passenger cars are available in the US with non-interference engines that the auto enthusiast might enjoy?

**driveareliablecar** · 07-15-2008 02:28 PM

http://www.gates.com/brochure....=3487

Not sure what cars an auto enthusiast might get enthused about. Gates belts can help people decide if they want to look up individual cars.

**Spa_driver** · 07-15-2008 02:31 PM

Quote, originally posted by Tucci »

so you checked it? haha Instead of brining it to a dealer or qualified shop that may have been able to foresee this as they work on the cars daily, you checked it and now want to sue VW. Amazing.

Modified by Tucci at 8:39 AM 7-15-2008

Live and learn....

BTW--Didn't VW recall the pre-03 models for defective tensioners?

**randy** · 07-15-2008 03:03 PM

Quote, originally posted by 4LUGVDUB »

Link to Attorney Office which filed the suit and reached an agreement
http://www.psswplaw.com/CM/Cla...n.asp

Link didn't work for me......

**TisforTurbo** · 07-15-2008 03:22 PM

I thought you are supposed to do the timing belt thing at 60k

**fixmy59bug** · 07-15-2008 03:28 PM

Quote, originally posted by 4LUGVDUB »

Tensioner part # 06B 109 477
Idler/Roller # 06B 109 119A
Belt 06B 109 243D

SAME EXACT PART #S SO WHY ARE OUR CARS NOT COVERED IN THIS SUIT!!

I hate to tell you, but the passat and any other Vw models do NOT share part numbers for any of the timing belt components.

For the Passat:

Belt: 06B-109-119-F (No Supercession here)
Roller: 06B-109-243-B (Superceded to 06B-109-243-E)
Hydraulic Tensioner: 06B-109-244-A (No Supercession here)

For all other 1.8T engines:

Belt: 06B-109-119-A (No supercession)
Roller: 06B-109-243-D (Superceded to 06B-109-243-F)
Hydraulic Tensioner: 06B-109-244 (No Supercession)

Notice they are slightly different part numbers but they are NOT interchangeable.

Besides, If I am not mistaken, Vw lowered the service intervals to 60K inspection and 80K replacement.

I hate to tell you, but I think you got to take this one in the shorts.

**PDing** · 07-15-2008 03:30 PM

Quote, originally posted by TisforTurbo »

I thought you are supposed to do the timing belt thing at 60k

That's what I've been told on my 1999 A4 AND my 2003 GTI 20th AE.

**randy** · 07-15-2008 03:30 PM

I have a 2002 Passat and I did not get a notice from VW for 80K replacement. Original owner too.

**SinisterMind** · 07-15-2008 03:44 PM

Quote, originally posted by PDing »

That's what I've been told on my 1999 A4 AND my 2003 GTI 20th AE.

The manual in my car states to replace the belts at 100k.

**fixmy59bug** · 07-15-2008 04:17 PM

But with all due respect, if they change their mind after something is made, the change doesn't magically appear in the manual.

I have just confirmed it with Vw's Servicenet on the 2004 maintenance schedules that Vw recommends an inspection at 60K, belt replacement at 80k and a roller replacement no later than 100K.

Of course it is wise to just replace it all at once while you are in there at 80K. So I see this lawsuit going nowhere....

**VDub2625** · 07-15-2008 04:24 PM

Quote, originally posted by fixmy59bug »

I hate to tell you, but the passat and any other Vw models do NOT share part numbers for any of the timing belt components.

What about the Audis? THe TT and A4. Same as the Passat?

**Spa_driver** · 07-15-2008 05:13 PM

Quote, originally posted by fixmy59bug »

But with all due respect, if they change their mind after something is made, the change doesn't magically appear in the manual.

I have just confirmed it with Vw's Servicenet on the 2004 maintenance schedules that Vw recommends an inspection at 60K, belt replacement at 80k and a roller replacement no later than 100K.

Of course it is wise to just replace it all at once while you are in there at 80K. So I see this lawsuit going nowhere....

Not for the 03 and later models. The design problem you refer to was on the models made before that. Like I said before I think it was a recall....

**feels_road** · 07-15-2008 10:37 PM

It's not just 80,000 miles. As any tech will tell you, it's a gamble to drive one past 6 years, or so. A good tech would have replaced it approaching six years, regardless of mileage or (sometimes unreliable) visual inspection.

VWVortex

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