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    Thread: '03 Passat W8: Torque Converter and Cam Adjuster Problem in last 10 days

    1. Member sicktertothemax's Avatar
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      12-16-2008 12:28 PM #51
      Quote, originally posted by KubvanTurbo »
      At least i own 2 W8's and not a 85 Jetta

      at least you own 2 w8's? well you still sound like your 5 says stuff like that.
      Quote, originally posted by KubvanTurbo »
      Last I checked this was a VW Fan page. Not "I hate / pos / name calling" site.

      well i think we can add to the list of what the site isn't, an elitist game of who was the biggest junk. though you do seem to think it is...

      Quote, originally posted by KubvanTurbo »
      Retarded, the whole thread has gone retarded ..
      Tow a race car with a car. Tarded
      I'm a sissy W8 lover. Tarded
      My dealer hates me and keeps my car too long. Tarded
      Last I checked this was a VW Fan page. Not "I hate / pos / name calling" site.

      usually i don't nitpick but... nice job trying to make a point and contradicting it in the same statement.



      Modified by sicktertothemax at 9:31 AM 12-16-2008

    2. 12-16-2008 08:51 PM #52
      eat me
      Your from fort collins and just a one more internet crybaby
      One more local vw dork... Why I dropped vw from my company and never been better.. It not the car I cant stand, Its the owners like you.

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      12-16-2008 09:08 PM #53
      Quote, originally posted by KubvanTurbo »
      eat me
      Your from fort collins and just a one more internet crybaby
      One more local vw dork... Why I dropped vw from my company and never been better.. It not the car I cant stand, Its the owners like you.

      i have never meet one person from boulder that wasn't pretentious and your no exception. Don't lump me in with the rest of the colorado scene. i'm not from here i and i think the owners here blow... if i hear one more a hole here talk about his stage3 1.8t that he did no work on and then tries to tell me my diesel has a vagcom and "efi"... i'll sell too. i dislike most of the people in the scene because they act like you.
      as for internet crybaby... couldn't be farther from the truth this is the one and only time (probably last) i have ever got into some dumb internet argument and it only because you had to put your 2 cent in on something that didn't involve you...

    4. 12-16-2008 10:24 PM #54
      Below is a quote/report from Edmunds.com on the W8 Passat:
      http://www.edmunds.com/volkswa....html
      Apparently, almost every W8 suffers from a cam adjuster problem that costs approx $10K, and takes a month, to fix. The part has a design flaw, which VW of America has fixed, but they will not offer any warranty help, or support their dealers, who often can't fix these cars.Between the cost of the parts and the constant problems, a W8 cost more than a Porsche to run. Not a car for real world applications.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      This annalysis comes from an outsider who's job is to do nothing but to criticize/praise cars and the manufacturers that build them.
      Here is what Mr. Ed says should be done:
      Suggested Improvements:
      Recall, engine swap, free extended warranty, loaner cars, something to help those who have invested in this product and are now stuck with it.

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Here's an even more interesting web site to check out:
      http://boardreader.com/tp/W8.html
      It gives statistical data on topics such as VW W8. According to BoardReader.com the topic "W8" was discussed 15,078 times on 977 sites in last 3 months.
      Say what you want about anybody on this site blowing up over the problems they have experienced with this W8. All it's going to get you is more arguments. But Hey! If that's what you like I'm game. That means I can be nice to everyone else on this forum.


      Modified by un4givun2 at 7:28 PM 12-16-2008

    5. 12-17-2008 02:47 AM #55
      Quote, originally posted by sicktertothemax »
      Don't lump me in with the rest of the colorado scene. i'm not from here i and i think the owners here blow... .

      I all ready have. maybe you missed it on the last post.
      I have two W8's and you have. none..
      got anymore? your just like the rest of the colorado stalking dub clan.
      Good luck with that.

      A quick search of your post proves it. 20 something colorado noob. who has no reason to be in the W8 forum what so ever.
      At this point we have 150,000 miles on our two W8's and They are awesome cars. Just as long as you can afford them when they need service.


      Modified by KubvanTurbo at 11:51 PM 12-16-2008

    6. 12-17-2008 04:43 AM #56
      You're right. If you have loads of extra money the W8 is not just fantastic, but extraordinary. If you are an average citizens who expects reliability alongside performance then roll the dice and try an S4, A6, A3 Audi or similar. Cost to fix still very high, but reliability less flawed (hopefully)
      In the end though, my W8 was hands down this is the best car I have ever had the pleasure of driving in the snow. And I live in snow country. Nothing better then smoking someone off the line in a wagon with a car seat either. Nothing, I mean nothing, got a better jump then that W8 on ice. That said, tho-
      I expect a torque converter to last more than 28 thousand miles (mine failed under warranty fortunately) and a cam adjuster to last more than 52 thousand miles. A ten thousand dollar engine fix is just so absolutely insane that its not even worth arguing about. Its a known problem that VWOA is literally pretending that they don't know it exists. If you guys want to be collectively pissed at someone - right your next rant to them.
      I hope your luck holds out and that, if you need to, you keep saving spare change and steeling from the college kids fund to pay for the upcoming cam adjuster. The writing is on the wall. My car was impeccably maintained but in the end got burned anyway. Enjoy it, good luck, be happy that Edmunds has caught on to the problem because now that it is becoming undeniable maybe VWOA will have to do something. Oh yeah, and bashing people who got burned by their favorite car is just ignorant. Chances are you will be in the same boat sooner or later.

    7. 12-17-2008 10:21 AM #57
      Well said, alaskadub.
      As detuned as the 4.0L 8cly is there's no reason it shouldn't go 200,000 miles before any major mechanical problem occurs.
      Anyone who hasn't had a cam adjuster problem is blessed.
      For 10K there is almost no engine you can't buy brand new. Even the VR6 can be bought brand new for under $5K. $6 or $7K would be way too much to pay for an engine that only makes 270HP and gets 20mpg. This engine retails for more than $20,000.00!!!! That's NASCAR territory!

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      12-17-2008 03:21 PM #58
      well normal v8 power is what i shall be returning to. Audi S8 4.2 which in my experience have been extremely reliable to the 173k miles when i stupidly sold it on.
      W8 looked appealing, but everything i hear says "walk away", aside from the cobble man with 2 of them.. lol enjoy them.
      hope they bring you everything you wish for.
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    9. 12-17-2008 07:05 PM #59
      Its not to say that other motors don't have cam adjuster failures too (they do). Its just not a 7,000 to 10,000 dollar labor event when they fail on other models like an A4, a Dodge or whatever. Good decision making, by the way. Still not sure if there is a [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthdown.gif[/IMG] real problem here? Do a W8 search on Auto trader and you will be surprised at all of the 'great deals' that are being offered on low mileage, well cared for W8s. Its a shame - really. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthdown.gif[/IMG]

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      12-17-2008 09:09 PM #60
      Quote, originally posted by KubvanTurbo »
      A quick search of your post proves it. 20 something colorado noob. who has no reason to be in the W8 forum what so ever.
      Modified by KubvanTurbo at 11:51 PM 12-16-2008

      Post count? here is a phrase for you, name change...
      my reason for being the the w8 forum. research on the motor to deside if i was going to buy one...
      "20 something colorado noob" haha funny, but not even close... i hope by the time i'm 43, i'm doing something better than e-thugin on vortex... good luck with that.

    11. 12-18-2008 07:07 AM #61
      Remember the reply on 12-12-08 where you said you were moving on?
      Obviously, you lied..............
      Why are you so concerned about the value of your 2 P.O.S. W8's in the first place? You love them so much! Why would you ever consider selling them?


      Modified by un4givun2 at 8:28 PM 12-18-2008

    12. 12-18-2008 01:32 PM #62
      Being a special limited production model is no excuse for poor quality and bad design. The W8 was supposed to take VW to the next level.

      To accept this total flop of a car (W8) and write it off as a typical high performance low production number car is B.S.
      If Ford can put an engine in the Taurus that was meant to go in a 2 seater sports car and make it reliable and blow the doors off Cameros and Mustangs then surely VW can purposely design a real car like the W8 and make it reliable.



      Modified by un4givun2 at 8:26 PM 12-18-2008

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      12-18-2008 02:07 PM #63
      Let's keep this on topic, please...

    14. 12-25-2008 01:11 PM #64
      so w8's are crap boxs then all you guys are saying... im on like my 10th vr and iv never had a major issue besides trannys. so you cant talk down all vw's. do you guys really think vwoa is unaware of these problems with the w8. trust me i bet it wasn't a mistake they stopped selling them b4 any of these issues arouse...

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      12-25-2008 03:26 PM #65
      you will need a tow vehicle for the w8, not the other way around. b5 passats other than v6 are to be avoided by non-masochists, what other car has routine catastrophic engine failures even with routine oil changes? 2wd manual trans v6 is the way to go, and even then you'll still have to deal with water leaks, abs modules, cv joints, and a cost of around $1200 to do your t-belt. this is the lesser of 4 evils. btw: to the w8 guru guy, what's the secret to getting the chain timing correct? I did chains and adjusters on one and it misfired and threw allocation faults. I tore it back apart and got all 8 marks to line up, turned it over and over and couldn't find a problem, cams indexed correctly, etc. vw ended up sending me a new engine instead so I never figured out what went wrong.

    16. 12-29-2008 01:40 AM #66
      two wheel drive, v6
      haha
      haha
      take that to ski and you'll never get there in time.

    17. 12-29-2008 07:09 AM #67
      That's the same thing the VW dealership here did to me. They had the engine out 3 times for cam adjuster replacement. The last 2 times they had a VW tech flown in to check everything. Each time they reistalled it and fired it up it threw a different cam timing code. After all of that and 8 weeks in the shop they suddenly found excess metal in the oil and said the engine need replacing. They put a used engine that had 30K fewer miles on it than mine. I argued with them to put the new adjusters on that engine before installing it. They refused to do it. My argument was that this engine would suffer the same problem withing the next year if not sooner. I even told them it might not make it out of their shop. They put that used engine in and it threw a code for the cam adjusters the first time they fired it up. I had to pay almost $5,000.00 over what my extended warranty would pay so I could get a brand new engine. The entire event took over 12 weeks and over $22,000.00.

    18. 03-04-2009 05:35 PM #68
      VWTECHBOB$
      Do you have a number for the shop you have in San Jose, I'm looking for an independent shop to work on my W8.

      Matt

    19. 03-25-2009 10:46 PM #69
      Hello all, It took me awhile but I'm finally jumping in on this conversation... been watching from afar for months w/ great interest. Here's the deal: I've owned my '04 W8 6-spd since April '08 (10 months); bought it w/ 32K and just hit 50K. God I love this car! But it scares the hell out of me. It was pretty much cherry when I bought it... and it's still almost like new. Seemed like the two previous owners must have barely driven it much in 4 yrs? 10 days after I bought it a fan switch failed and it overheated in traffic. The used car dealer covered the $1500 repair but had it over a week (they didn't blink an eye when I called that the car just broke down w/ an overheating problem... hmmm?). Then I had a couple mechanics (including a former certified VW tech who was now running a hi-tech tuner shop) tell me that they really weren't interested in getting involved with the service of my W8... hmmm? This all caused me to start looking for sites & topics like this... and stress out. I have an aftermarket warranty that I've used a couple times for other problems like a new radiator, etc a month ago w/ fair results (cost me $170 deductible & co-pay but it saved me over $600) but I don't know how well it would protect me if I catch the dreaded Cam Adjuster bug. That is IF I catch it before I sell it. Simply can't afford an $8K fix, period. God I love driving this car!
      I have several questions: are there any warning signs? Steps besides more frequent oil changes that can prevent? I've changed oil every 7K but I guess I may switch from Castrol to something better. Does the cam adjuster failure happen more frequently in either the auto or stick? Is there anyone out there that has high miles on a W8 and never had this problem or is it simply a FACT that it WILL happen to all... and will it, sooner or later, actually happen again after it has been repaired/replaced? Can I tell you how much enjoy driving this car... when its running well!
      Thanks for any advice.

    20. 03-26-2009 06:42 AM #70
      I know what you mean. I like driving this car too much. When I think about the $34,000.00 I've spent in 2 years to keep it running it sends chills down my spine. I'm actually out about $12,000.00 in out of pocket expenses.
      One problem I have, that no one else seams to have, is the tires/wheels. This car is very heavy for it's size. The tires are maxed out for the load rating. There's no fix for this because bigger wheels and tires won't clear the suspension components and/or the fenders.

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      03-30-2009 11:18 AM #71
      Quote, originally posted by cew8gti »
      Hello all, It took me awhile but I'm finally jumping in on this conversation... been watching from afar for months w/ great interest. Here's the deal: I've owned my '04 W8 6-spd since April '08 (10 months); bought it w/ 32K and just hit 50K. God I love this car! But it scares the hell out of me. It was pretty much cherry when I bought it... and it's still almost like new. Seemed like the two previous owners must have barely driven it much in 4 yrs? 10 days after I bought it a fan switch failed and it overheated in traffic. The used car dealer covered the $1500 repair but had it over a week (they didn't blink an eye when I called that the car just broke down w/ an overheating problem... hmmm?). Then I had a couple mechanics (including a former certified VW tech who was now running a hi-tech tuner shop) tell me that they really weren't interested in getting involved with the service of my W8... hmmm? This all caused me to start looking for sites & topics like this... and stress out. I have an aftermarket warranty that I've used a couple times for other problems like a new radiator, etc a month ago w/ fair results (cost me $170 deductible & co-pay but it saved me over $600) but I don't know how well it would protect me if I catch the dreaded Cam Adjuster bug. That is IF I catch it before I sell it. Simply can't afford an $8K fix, period. God I love driving this car!
      I have several questions: are there any warning signs? Steps besides more frequent oil changes that can prevent? I've changed oil every 7K but I guess I may switch from Castrol to something better. Does the cam adjuster failure happen more frequently in either the auto or stick? Is there anyone out there that has high miles on a W8 and never had this problem or is it simply a FACT that it WILL happen to all... and will it, sooner or later, actually happen again after it has been repaired/replaced? Can I tell you how much enjoy driving this car... when its running well!
      Thanks for any advice.

      7K is too long an interval for oil changes. You should be changing your oil every 5k max. I usually change my oil every 3k as I drive my car very hard. Even with regular oil changes at the correct intervals there's still no guarentee since the update to this particular problem came out after these cars were released.

    22. 03-30-2009 06:48 PM #72
      So has anyone started some sort of lawsuit yet? I read the 1st two pages and this is defiantly recall material. And the only was to get a recall is to make them do something about it...

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      03-30-2009 09:02 PM #73
      From everything I've read about people dealing with this problem is that VWOA hasn't been the greatest to deal with. From one of the earlier threads, I remember a guy having this problem while under warranty and instead of them fixing the problem they replaced his engine with a used engine that hadn't gotten the update. So basically, he'd end up having the same problem down the road! The best thing that anyone can do if you want this car is to buy and extended warranty. I understand that warrenty issues have happened but I always say, "better safe than sorry." If you have an extended warrenty than at least you have some means of getting some type of help even if it isn't from VW themselves. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      04-19-2009 04:24 PM #74
      LOL. WHat is wrong with you people. Lawsuit? Really? Have none of you ever owned a car? Look i know your all pissed but if your car is out of warranty it is out of warranty. deal with it. You spent 45,000 dollars on a car with an engine that was put in the phaeton a 100,000 dolalr car. None of you got an extended warranty? Look I'm a vw tech and am currently looking at buying a W8. It had the t converter and cam adjusters at 30,000 miles. It only came in for the adjusters and VWoA which you all are bitching about told our tech to replace the converter while he was in there for free under warranty. VW takes care of you while your under warranty better then any other company out there. But you all want to sue? Heres a word of advice that some of youmay not know. You can still buy extended warranties after you have purchased a car. You can also buy them from credit unions/banks for a great deal less money. I do feel bad for you because i know it's expensive. But come on, you really want to blame vw? Also jsut to answer any questions about why they didn't replace the cam adjusters at the same time as the torque converter is because its only like 6 hours for the torque converter or something but 20+ for the cam adjusters. Most good techs if they do the cam adjusters let the customer know about the torque converter at that time since the trannys out as well as the engine. I hope everyone understands im not making fun of you, i just find it frustrating that everyone thinks vw should pay for all of this when the cars are out of warranty. Vw doesn't have to have recalls if its not a safety issue, but they have a lot of recalls on all of there cars because they like repeat buisness. But why would they want to have more recalls on vehicle that are limited like the w8 motor, or phaeton, or specialty vehicles like the beetle when everyone who owns those vehicles typically only bought the car for status or cuz it was cute and then swears off vw because of 1 issue. I love vw but they have some issues. But think you could be driving a chevy. Besides go drive a rabbit, or jetta, or gli, gti, or any of there new vehicles that are not special in some way and tell me what you think. MKV's are pretty much bullet prove because of what they have learned from beetle owners and w8 owners. So if your still mad though take a look at extended warranties. You might be able to pay just 1000 dollars and get everything fixed.

    25. 04-20-2009 12:11 AM #75

      Don't fall for the extended warranty trap! VW sold me a 4-year-48K mile extended warranty in April 2008 for $4,800.00. It covered all components. In Nov. 2008 the engine had to be replaced. They could not exceed the Blue Book value on the car for the repairs. This engine is so expensive that there are no W8's on the road today that are worth more than the engine cost. Strange isn't it? The engine cost more than the car.
      They valued my car $5K less than the engine cost. I had to pay the difference. So in a period of 7 months I shelled out over $9,600.00. Now that car isn't even worth $9,600.00.
      If you already own this car research the extended warranty carefully before buying. The one VW tries to sell you won't cover the full cost of the engine. If you're thinking of buying this car, RUN!.

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