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    Thread: The "Unofficial" DSG Issues Thread

    1. Member -AKA-'s Avatar
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      11-10-2009 09:29 AM #626
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      Don't they service the DSG when they replace the MU?

      To access the Mech unit they need to drain the trans oil...so hopefully they refill it with new oil and replace the filter. God only knows if thats what they are doing or if they just replace the fluid they drain out back in when the new mech unit is installed and dont touch the filter...
      I will have to look at my old service records when I had mine in for the 1st replacement...

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      11-10-2009 11:12 AM #627
      Quote, originally posted by luciano136 »
      Don't they service the DSG when they replace the MU?

      that's one of the reasons i'm waiting. first off, i can't afford both the 40k service AND the DSG service at the same time... i'm also in the process of saving cash for winter tires. second thing... obviously if they find the gremlin and call it warranty then i will indeed get the DSG service comp. this would be a stroke of good fortune for us these days!
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      11-10-2009 03:05 PM #628
      Quote, originally posted by NothernSky »
      Got a call from the dealer, that VW Plant will give me a 'courtesy' of 50% of the MU replace/install
      Courtesy??? They should do this at no cost
      Cost with the 'courtesy' = $1K [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthdown.gif[/IMG]
      Calling VW hot line to persue a full warranty replace.
      If ALL Jettas (Boras) are produce in the same VW Puebla Plant, I don't see why I will be excluded. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/mad.gif" BORDER="0">

      Modified by NothernSky at 1:09 PM 10-15-2009

      Well after exactly 1 Month of waiting , got the car back and I can only say now is total smootness, even some issues I tought were normal have been corrected, like engaging in Reverse and feel a tittle bump is now gone, hope it stays in that way. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      11-10-2009 05:17 PM #629
      Quote, originally posted by NothernSky &raquo;
      feel a tittle bump

      now that's what i'm talkin about!
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      11-10-2009 07:25 PM #630
      Quote, originally posted by NothernSky &raquo;
      Well after exactly 1 Month of waiting , got the car back and I can only say now is total smootness, even some issues I tought were normal have been corrected, like engaging in Reverse and feel a tittle bump is now gone, hope it stays in that way. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

      Good luck North! Sounds great! I wish you happy driving from here on out... has VWNL or VWAG promised to increase your DSG warranty? And, did you pay for ANY of this or was it ALL covered?
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      11-10-2009 09:51 PM #631

      Quote, originally posted by VWRedux &raquo;
      Good luck North! Sounds great! I wish you happy driving from here on out... has VWNL or VWAG promised to increase your DSG warranty? And, did you pay for ANY of this or was it ALL covered?

      Thanks VWRedux [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      Saddly I had to pay 50% of the total repair, around 1K, VW Mexico claimed that the VWoA MU Campaign only is covered in US, and no mexican Jetta/GLI/GTI MKV were affected....
      Life is good now
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      11-11-2009 07:48 AM #632
      Quote, originally posted by NothernSky &raquo;
      Thanks VWRedux [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] Saddly I had to pay 50% of the total repair, around 1K, VW Mexico claimed that the VWoA MU Campaign only is covered in US, and no mexican Jetta/GLI/GTI MKV were affected.... Life is good now


      Oh really? Well they should be covering THEIR DEFECTIVE DSG's ALL OVER THE FREAKING WORLD! $1,000.00 is mucho money baby. A company that stands behind their product will be rewarded by a loyal customer base. VWAG is missing a huge opportunity here.
      Funny, our Wolfie Jetta was built in Mexico, and so was yours... so why should we in the USA benefit and no one else? One guess.................. they really don't give a sh**!
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      11-11-2009 11:00 AM #633
      Quote, originally posted by VWRedux &raquo;
      Funny, our Wolfie Jetta was built in Mexico, and so was yours... so why should we in the USA benefit and no one else? One guess.................. they really don't give a sh**!
      I don't know if the VW build for Mexico is the same as the ones that are imported here, but some of the other new cars I drove there (namely the Nissan), are build like a POS.

    9. 11-11-2009 11:45 AM #634

      I was under the impression they quit assembling VW's in Mexico a couple of years ago because of poor quality control? Our GTI came from Germany?

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      11-11-2009 12:23 PM #635

      All JETTAS and BEETLES WORLDWIDE are assembled only in VW Puebla Mexico plant.
      If your VIN starts with 3VW is Mexican assembled.
      PASSATS and GTI as far as I know are made in Germany.
      OEM+ FTW

    11. 11-11-2009 03:45 PM #636
      1. VW Caddy 2008
      2. 55,000 kilometers
      3. This has been happening my van for a while but have been searching for a dealer that knows what a DSG actually is.
      When starting off on a gentle hill or driving it makes repeated surges - normally three. Reverse is also similar or worse especially when up hill. Is this defo the Mechtronic unit?
      I had two dualmass flywheels fitted to my last manual gearbox caddy, is it possible there is a similar fault here too?
      I thought alll the DSG gremlins were gone in the 2008 models.
      Very informative treads here thanks guys

    12. 11-12-2009 12:22 AM #637
      Well I gave the car to VW on October 21st concerning the DSG issue. I was leaving class at around 5:20 and saw that I had 3 missed calls from vw. I called em back and they said the car was ready! I couldn't believe it, I ran to my loaner car (hyndai sonata) and drove the **** outta of it to the dealer. The dealer is about an hour away from the college... I made it in 35 min LOL. Anyways, today November 11th I received my car back. I was so happy to see my car again! Ok, now to talk about the details. There is a lot of stuff about what they looked at and replaced, but I thought the most interesting part was the following paragraph written in the invoice (I think this is the summary):
      "Mechatronics unit faulty performed diagnosis and verified customer complaint. Attempted to perform basic settings but vehicle makes a grinding noise while attempting basic settings block 60. Opened tech line contact and was instructed to attempt basic settings again, results are the same. Checked measuring value blocks and was instructed by techline to replace the mechatronics unit. Installed the mechatronics unit, replaced the filter and the bolts. Filled to the proper level and attempted to set basic settings. Even after replacement basic settings block 60 grinds again. QTM assisted with attempting basic settings with the same results. QTM took over the tech line case and escallated case. Every time vechile is put into drive after replacement was done it sets a DTC for basic settings not performed mechanical malfunction. Contacted by tech line to retrieve more MVB in order to write a flash for the mechatronics unit. Reflash was performed by tech line using remote access. Tech line performed basic settings. Test drive of vehicle after reflash was successful. Vehicle drives and shifts correctly. Vehicle is now operating to manufacturer specs."
      So now that this amazingly written flash for my DSG has solved these problems, I'm wondering if getting the DSG flash from uni would hinder my DSG useless. It seems that this flash was a bitch to write, so I don't know. The list of stuff they did is 2 pages long (excluding the page about the loaner car). Listed in order, they are the following:
      Test drive
      Guided Functions/Techline Diagnosis/QTM involvement
      Technical check
      Perform basic transmission settings
      wheel remove+reinstall
      front wheel housing liner remove+reinstall
      Pressure pipe remove+reinstall
      mechatronics cover remove+reinstall
      battery ground strap remove+reinstall
      transmission control module replace
      -screw
      -gasket
      -mechatron
      -filter
      -gear oil
      techline telediagnosis/programming
      test drive
      Anyways, the car runs great now. It is very smooth, yet not every jerking motion has been completely removed. But it definitely is worlds better than before. The car also shifts a bit faster than what I remember. This has definitely affected acceleration a bit, which amazed me when I got on the gas.
      Fun fact: Almost got pulled over by a cop today after I got my car back. Was spiritually driving and I noticed a car turning behind me. I am extremely paranoid, so on the road at night I assume everyone is a cop. Luckily my being paranoid paid off and it turned out he was a cop. He started following me. Well I drove all the way near my house and noticed that he followed me all the way there too. So I passed my house and drove all the way to the police station. I pull up to the front of the police station, turn off the car and get out of my car. Walk up to the door, he pulls behind me about 2 seconds later and asks me what am I doing. I told him "I was on my way home, but I saw a car following me. So instead of going home, I drove towards the police station to be safe." He just stared at me and drove away. Think fast eh? I didn't know what other way to get outta that ticket he was gonna give me than to do what I did lol. Woulda been funny if he was like "hey you're already here, walk in with me while I suspend your license!"



      Modified by Alik4041 at 11:40 PM 11-11-2009

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      11-12-2009 01:54 AM #638
      Ya... your story reminded me when I was driving home from work one cold rainy night in queens ny. At 3am you could make every lite all along union turnpike if you knew how... 40mph in some sections, 70 in others with no other cars to be had. But I messed up the timing and ran a fast yellow/red as I see a cruiser on the other side of the road w/lites off.... we made eye contact... I was going 70+ in a 35... as he lit up his Christmas lites and peeled off to give chase, I immediately pulled over, turned off my engine, put on my emergency flashes along with the interior lites so he could plainly see me as I lowered my window.
      As they pulled up next to me, they said, "What happened man... why did you stop?... blew the timing didn't ya?"... as if they were bummed out there would not be a chase! I said, "Well, ya I did blow the timing, so I figured I'd save you the hassle of the chase." (WAY WRONG ANSWER!) They took 2 hours to give me 2 $100 tickets and 6 points.
      Three months later, the same thing happened only this time I was making every lite along this 20 mile stretch in my brothers tricked out Firebird 400 when these same cops pulled off after me... giving chase. But when they saw it was me again, I just grinned thinking the worst... but they just broke out in laughter, gave each other a high5 and peeled away burning a patch for ar least 2 blocks.... only now the timing was no more.... lucky.... another 3 points would have meant doom!
      PS: oh ya... glad to hear your baby is back! Happy Motoring! [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      11-12-2009 01:55 AM #639
      Quote, originally posted by Alik4041 &raquo;
      So now that this amazingly written flash for my DSG has solved these problems, I'm wondering if getting the DSG flash from uni would hinder my DSG useless. It seems that this flash was a bitch to write, so I don't know.


      I got my Mechatronics replaced, so I will say DO IT!! , Unitronic flashed with DSG Stage 2 back again and 0 issues, I did it the same day (yesterday) when my car was back from the VW dealer. (1 month wait )
      OEM+ FTW

    15. 11-12-2009 02:50 AM #640
      Thanks redux, it's been such a wait! I actually got back in the car and turning the wheel was actually difficult at first because the sonata's wheel could be turned 360 with a pinky. Same with the hand brake. Told my dad to drive it and he said it doesn't feel any stiffer on the wheel than the last time he drove it, so must be just me. Car has been away so long, i gotta get used to it again lol.
      Sky, was the flash worth getting at all? I mean I don't see how they could make dsg faster than what it already is. Just wondering of what you think of it because I intend to go DSG stg 2 as well.

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      11-12-2009 10:31 AM #641
      Alik... I wouldn't flash your DSG for awhile... give it some time dude... see if the damn repair thing holds up first... If your tranny breaks again, they'll blame it on the re-flash... something to get out of repairing it again... if it ain't broke..... leave well enough alone, at least for a few months. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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    17. 11-12-2009 10:44 AM #642
      Quote, originally posted by VWRedux &raquo;
      Alik... I wouldn't flash your DSG for awhile... give it some time dude... see if the damn repair thing holds up first... If your tranny breaks again, they'll blame it on the re-flash... something to get out of repairing it again... if it ain't broke..... leave well enough alone, at least for a few months. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

      I agree.
      Leave everything as is.
      It seems even after replacing the mech and reprogramming/flash the same issues reappear after a couple months of driving.

    18. 11-12-2009 05:07 PM #643
      I'm very satisfied with it right now, so no rush in flashing it.

    19. 11-15-2009 03:53 AM #644
      Quote, originally posted by VWRedux &raquo;
      Alik... I wouldn't flash your DSG for awhile... give it some time dude... see if the damn repair thing holds up first... If your tranny breaks again, they'll blame it on the re-flash... something to get out of repairing it again... if it ain't broke..... leave well enough alone, at least for a few months. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]


      super-quote...
      If it works keep it that way, better a little "less perfomance" but good driveability/realiability, tha risking of ruining the DSG...

      good luck

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      11-15-2009 09:21 PM #645
      I guess I have became a member of this Thread.
      Today I was driving a little spirited and than I went to back the car into a parking spot. I pulled up and shifted the car in reverse and it didn't go in gear. I shifted to neutral and back into park still the same. So I than put the car in park and turned it off. Than tried to restart and the car wouldn't crank and the PRNDS was flashing. Tried several times and still no change. Tried disconnecting battery and even checked the transmission connection to make sure it was secure. Still same problem. Called the tow truck and had it taken to the dealership. I guess I will find out tomorrow what they find.

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      11-15-2009 11:08 PM #646
      Crap, that's the first Fahrenheit I've heard of having that problem. What's the build date on your GTI? And do you know whether or not it was covered by the extended DSG warranty?
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      11-23-2009 10:02 AM #647
      So a funny thing just happened to me on the way to the transit station this morning...
      Car has been running for two minutes at best, pull up to the stop sign about to merge out into traffic, I see an opening and accelerate out...car jerks hard for the 1-2 and 2-3 upshift! It sounded as if it was slamming into gears 2 and 3. The temp outside was about 45 degrees so it wasnt incredibly cold out yet. I couldnt believe it, I just laughed to myself and thought that i still may not be out of this DSG h*ll!!! I have never experienced the hard upshifts, this is the first time. All of my issues were the "typical" harsh 2-1 downshifts, lurching starts, surging in forward and reverse, etc.
      I have put 4500 miles on the new trans since it has been replaced. This has really only been the first issue I have experienced. Needless to say my fingers are still NOT crossed...


      Modified by -AKA- at 9:04 AM 11-23-2009

    23. 12-04-2009 09:59 AM #648
      2008 GTI, DSG (Older FSI motor)
      DSG Problems:
      - surging/bucking in 1st/R (repeating engagement)
      - clunky downshifts from 3-2 and 2-1 (D mode)
      - bogging idle leaving the line and stopping
      - drops out of gear leaving the line at idle
      - delayed M mode downshifts between 5-4 and 4-3.
      Here I sit at my (favourite) VW dealer, with 800km left on my factory warranty and a fistfull of warranty repair receipts.
      Starting at about 20k/km (12k/mi) I started getting the surging/bucking in 1st and R issue. Had it in at 3 different dealers and this was the first one that didn't tell me I was crazy and that it was 'operating to spec'. That's why I come back. Not becasue it's the greatest service in the world, but becasue it's convenient and they don't kick me out...right away. I live in the Toronto area and there are many. many VW dealers I can go to.
      Anyway, at about 40k/km (25k/mi) they replaced the mechatronics unit. It worked for about a month, or roughly 5k/km (3k/mi) before I started noticing it again. It was never that bad, so naturally I couldn't duplicate the problem again when I'd bring it back (for any number of other problems I've had with the car). I'd even been on rides with the techs to no avail. What started happening later was even weirder, but what eventually led to today's events:
      It started producing a noticable clunk when downshifting (D mode) between 3-2 and 2-1. Once I was convinced it was happening any time, and all I had to do was turn the radio off (very difficult) I decided it was time to take 'er in again. Additionally, (I drive in M a lot) it started downshifting with a 3-4 sec delay between 5-4 and 4-3 while accelerating. Then, if I were to let it roll away by itself on a very slight incline, it would start to go, then make a huge clunk and drop out of gear, followed by re-engaging and moving along smoothly.
      This behaviour was followed by the sticky clutch feeling when coming to a stop, when the idle would drop down and then pop back up. Noticed the same thing when letting it roll off the line by itself (no accelerator pressure).
      So I shoed up at the dealer today after calling and asking if I could take a tech for another ride to show them what's up. Ended up sitting for two hours waiting, which made it more difficult to get it to reproduce the surging...but kep the sucker in the car until it eventually did it, and he noticed the clunking right away. Even got it to drop out of gear once for him.
      So just heard, they're ordering another mechatronics unit and they're gonna let me know tomorrow when it'll be in.
      I'll keep ya posted!

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      12-04-2009 10:50 AM #649
      sell it........
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      12-07-2009 11:31 AM #650
      Wow, three mech units in huh...???...it only took two to go bad for them to replace the whole trans for mine. Maybe VWoC has different protocol than VWofA, who knows. Keep us updated on how number 3 works...

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