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    Thread: FMIC's, and the way they can be "displayed"

    1. 08-07-2008 04:20 PM #1
      I got this idea to make this thread from a couple other threads on here.

      I was wondering, whats everyones opinion on the best look for a FMIC? Sleeper, hidden behind some grille inserts, or visible in the front bumper, so everyone knows you're packing forced induction?

      For me, I LOVE the look of a FMIC sitting in a front bumper on a nice car. I know FMICs are for performance, and not for looks, but when i see a car with a huge FMIC driving down the street, its almost like sex for me. However, a lot of people on here seem to be more for the "sleeper" look. Whats your opinion?

      A picture of my point:

      Ive ridden in this car before. Its by far the fastest car Ive ridden in. Youre all going to say, "its just a Honda CRX, come on now!" but this car was FAASSST, and everyone knew what it was who lived in that area, and as soon as people saw his FMIC or heard his BOV, they would back off and not even bother racing him. I love the look of the FMIC in his front bumper, and I think if he had it covered, it would have taken something away from the car.


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      08-07-2008 04:21 PM #2
      Roof mount the b*tch... Maximum visual exposure and mad street cred!


      Modified by Holden McNeil at 4:23 PM 8-7-2008

    3. 08-07-2008 04:22 PM #3
      All I'm going to say is that sex must f*ckin' suck for you if a metal box is close to it.


      Modified by SickWrathTerror at 4:23 PM 8-7-2008

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      08-07-2008 04:22 PM #4
      **** fmic's heheh

      i rock a V mount


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      08-07-2008 04:23 PM #5

      Visible core with hidden piping works for me.


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      08-07-2008 04:25 PM #6
      I found a name brand, American made FMIC for cheap on craigslist... Unfortunately, it's about .5" too thick and 4" too long, so the lower part of my bumper is hacked to bits. The IC was already painted black, so it isn't as obvious as you might think, but it does bug me. It works REALLY freaking well, though (due to the oversize).

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      08-07-2008 04:25 PM #7
      Front mounts are for girls.

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      08-07-2008 04:27 PM #8
      Quote, originally posted by Red MK4_GLI »
      but when i see a car with a huge FMIC driving down the street, its almost like sex for me. However, a lot of people on here seem to be more for the "sleeper" look. Whats your opinion?

      A picture of

      My opinion is that either you have some terrible sex, or you're not getting laid at all.


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      08-07-2008 04:27 PM #9
      It's all about the V-mount.

      FMIC in the traditional orientation blocks the radiator. When I see an FMIC I don't think "badass!"... I think "bolt-on turbo kit."

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      like this:

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      08-07-2008 04:32 PM #11
      My opinion is that the location should be chosen on optimum efficiency / functionality.

      The aesthetics should maintain the vehicle's design language and not attempt to draw attention or disrupt the style of the vehicle.

      So if a FMIC in the middle of the front of your car works best, then I would look for bumpers / covers that do their best to integrate the opening into something that looks natural on the vehicle, doesn't bring too much attention to the piece, but still allows it to functionl optimally.

      So don't cover it up all the way, and don't just make a big square cut in your polyurethane.


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      08-07-2008 04:34 PM #12
      I suggest trying sex

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      08-07-2008 04:36 PM #13

      How about IN the bumper.

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      08-07-2008 04:37 PM #14
      sleeper status.

      I always thought powdercoated intercooler piping hidden behind the bumper was the best way to go. I always thought that a shown fmic might bring unwanted attention.


    15. 08-07-2008 04:37 PM #15
      I hate the way V mounts look. Give me the good old fashioned FMIC any day.

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      08-07-2008 04:37 PM #16
      Hidden, coated with matte black jet hot or something similar.

      Unless its one of those FMIC air filter things on NA cars, those you HAVE to show off.


    17. 08-07-2008 04:39 PM #17
      Quote, originally posted by GRNWNV »

      How about IN the bumper.

      BADASS!!!


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      08-07-2008 04:39 PM #18
      i like it when done right. dont leave a hacked bumper with piping popping out where your lower bumper grills are supposed to be.

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      08-07-2008 04:42 PM #19
      Quote, originally posted by GRNWNV »
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      How about IN the bumper.

      Ha! That's neat...

      Quote, originally posted by PsyberVW »

      So don't cover it up all the way, and don't just make a big square cut in your polyurethane.

      Yeah, I would have liked to do that. Someday when I get around to it, I'll find a bumper that works nicely and looks similar to stock, or I'll downsize the FMIC, or run an Air-to-Water IC. As it sits now, the car isn't really a show piece, so it's pretty low on my list.


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      08-07-2008 04:44 PM #20
      Mine is so big that you can't see the end tanks. It just looks like a shiny radiator. Sorry, no pics.
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      08-07-2008 04:47 PM #21
      Quote, originally posted by AKADriver »
      It's all about the V-mount.


    22. 08-07-2008 04:48 PM #22
      I've thought about powdercoating mine black as it contrasts quite a bit, however, driving a Mazda 3 alone gives off enough of a sleeper look.

      Kev


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      08-07-2008 04:50 PM #23
      HOLY CRAP!!!

      one of the best automotive pics i have ever seen.


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      08-07-2008 04:58 PM #24
      Quote, originally posted by AKADriver »
      It's all about the V-mount.

      FMIC in the traditional orientation blocks the radiator. When I see an FMIC I don't think "badass!"... I think "bolt-on turbo kit."

      I don't know...it seems like that would retain a lot of the same underhood heat as a regular top mount. My gigantic front mount covers up most of the flow to the radiator, but I still cruise around at less than 190*, and up to 210* when stuck in traffic. It never even gets hot enough to turn the fan on, and I'm running a stock cooling system.

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      08-07-2008 05:02 PM #25
      Quote, originally posted by DesiDub »
      I've thought about powdercoating mine black as it contrasts quite a bit, however, driving a Mazda 3 alone gives off enough of a sleeper look.
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      Kev

      Wow, That is a beautiful picture. I wish I had one of my setup, they're all at home... Black radiator paint isn't too expensive, though, and I think it would look really nice.
      Quote, originally posted by One_Love »

      HOLY CRAP!!!
      one of the best automotive pics i have ever seen.

      x2. Taken of their own car at least...

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      08-07-2008 05:04 PM #26
      Even for most front mount intercooler setups, you can add proper ducting to the radiator if you have overheating problems while doing hard stints/track days.
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      08-07-2008 05:15 PM #27
      I much prefer dual SMIC's.

      Let the radiator, A/C condensor, and oil cooler do their thang in the middle. Put the SMIC's on the outside. Everyone is happy.

      FMIC's are lame.


    28. 08-07-2008 05:23 PM #28
      Thanks for the photo comments folks

      Quote, originally posted by Shomegrown »
      I much prefer dual SMIC's.

      Let the radiator, A/C condensor, and oil cooler do their thang in the middle. Put the SMIC's on the outside. Everyone is happy.

      FMIC's are lame.

      That's a really ineresting setup. I've never seen SMIC's before. Unfortunately with limited space behind the bumper on the 3, I don't think it would be possible for us.

      Are SMIC's a common application and how is the air routed to them through your bumper?

      Kev


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      08-07-2008 05:28 PM #29
      Quote, originally posted by Shomegrown »

      FMIC's are lame.

      How, exactly?

      I guess it depends on the car, but my cooling system works great, my A/C is intact, my power steering cooler gets plenty of fresh air, my intake temps stay very cool, and you can't really even tell I have a FMIC.

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      08-07-2008 05:53 PM #30
      Quote, originally posted by DesiDub »
      Thanks for the photo comments folks

      That's a really ineresting setup. I've never seen SMIC's before. Unfortunately with limited space behind the bumper on the 3, I don't think it would be possible for us.

      Are SMIC's a common application and how is the air routed to them through your bumper?

      Kev

      SMICs are quite common on factory turbo applications. The 1.8T, which as we all know can never lose, is a SMIC setup (and gets heatsoaked quite rapidly after raping Enzos).

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    31. 08-07-2008 06:12 PM #31
      Quote, originally posted by Voodoo.T »

      SMICs are quite common on factory turbo applications. The 1.8T, which as we all know can never lose, is a SMIC setup (and gets heatsoaked quite rapidly after raping Enzos).

      LOL! Thanks, I had no idea this is used in factory setups. Learn something new everyday

      Is there ducting through the grill then, that routes the air to the SMICS?

      Kev


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      08-07-2008 06:20 PM #32
      Not enough for higher hp applications, hence why people get FMIC's to lower the intake temperature. Also on OEM applications the plastic endtanks/rubber hoses has a lot to do with trapping heat.
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      08-07-2008 06:50 PM #33
      Quote, originally posted by Art Vandelay »

      How, exactly?

      I guess it depends on the car, but my cooling system works great, my A/C is intact, my power steering cooler gets plenty of fresh air, my intake temps stay very cool, and you can't really even tell I have a FMIC.

      Is your car making 500+ hp? I know of a few high hp cars who went away from FMIC's because they were overheating on the track.

      Also, why not SMIC's? They work and they make the other coolers work LESS hard because they don't interact with them.

      Quote, originally posted by PineappleMonkey »
      Not enough for higher hp applications, hence why people get FMIC's to lower the intake temperature. Also on OEM applications the plastic endtanks/rubber hoses has a lot to do with trapping heat.

      That's a broad generaliztion. If you're using a stock side mount designed for 150 hp on a car with 300 hp, you'll have problems. However invest in a good design and you can have very low IAT deltas.

      Here's a ~500 hp Audi S4 doing a 50-100 mph pull in 3rd gear with ER SMIC's. The IAT delta is nearly zero.

      Like I said, I see no reason to go to an FMIC and make my other coolers LESS effective.

      Quote, originally posted by DesiDub »

      LOL! Thanks, I had no idea this is used in factory setups. Learn something new everyday

      Is there ducting through the grill then, that routes the air to the SMICS?

      Kev

      Yes, shrouds bring air through the IC's, then vents in the fenderwell expell the air in the wheelwells. It's a great solution. With an FMIC, the hot air ends up going through your radiator and going straight to your engine. Not ideal.


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      08-07-2008 06:51 PM #34
      Quote, originally posted by DesiDub »

      Is there ducting through the grill then, that routes the air to the SMICS?

      Kev


      Yep. Below is a Seat Ibiza (cousin of the Golf), but it's primarily the same thing.

      In all fairness, I've tried two different styles of SMIC with incredibly negative results... Notably,having to fix tubing on the side of the freeway, after punching a hole in the endtank of a Blackstone SMIC.

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