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    Thread: MKV MFSW Swap questions (07 Rabbit w/ Auto)

    1. 08-07-2008 04:21 PM #1
      They work now! Read the lower post.

      I have just swapped my stock wheel and controler for a MFSW with Paddles. The Paddle shift works fine but I get nothing from the Multi Function buttons.
      Any one out there have any input for me?


      Modified by dokaman at 11:25 PM 12-8-2008

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      08-07-2008 04:28 PM #2
      Post a complete AutoScan along with the part numbers of all the parts that you installed.

    3. 08-07-2008 07:56 PM #3
      The stock controller was part number (VW 1KO 953 549 AH) and the new controller is part number (VW 1KO 953 549 AJ)

      Thursday,07,August,2008,16:57:41:02498
      VCDS Version: Release 805.0
      Data version: 20080625
      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

      Chassis Type: 1K0
      Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56
      VIN: WVWBR71K97W085970 Mileage: 14120km/8773miles
      00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
      01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
      02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
      03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
      08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
      09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
      15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
      16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
      17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
      19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
      25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
      42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
      44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
      46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
      52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
      56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 01: Engine Labels: 06A-906-032-BGP.lbl
      Part No SW: 07K 906 032 S HW: 07K 906 032 Q
      Component: 2.5l R5/4V G 9652
      Revision: --H01--- Serial number: VWZ7Z0F8143581
      Coding: 0000003
      Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
      No fault code found.
      Readiness: 0110 1101
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09G-927-750.lbl
      Part No SW: 09G 927 750 FL HW: 09G 927 750 FL
      Component: AQ 250 6F 0920
      Revision: 00H38000 Serial number:
      Coding: 0000072
      Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
      No fault code found.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK70.lbl
      Part No: 1K0 907 379 P
      Component: ASR FRONT MK70 0105
      Coding: 0017025
      Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
      No fault code found.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
      Part No: 1K0 820 047 FP
      Component: Climatic PQ35 120 0606
      Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
      No fault code found.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-M.lbl
      Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 P HW: 3C0 937 049 P
      Component: Bordnetz-SG H46 1501
      Revision: 00H46000 Serial number: 00000006173049
      Coding: 008D0F214004150000140000001400000008730B5C0000
      Shop #: WSC 23345 444 54504
      Part No: 1K1 955 119 E
      Component: Wischer 210906 020 0501
      Coding: 00038805
      Shop #: WSC 23345
      No fault code found.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 15: Airbags Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
      Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
      Component: 5L AIRBAG VW8R 034 8000
      Revision: 05034000 Serial number: 003B6D06R32S
      Coding: 0013644
      Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
      Part No: 1K0 959 339 G
      Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0007
      No fault code found.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549.lbl
      Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AJ HW: 1K0 953 549 AJ
      Component: J0527 034 0070
      Coding: 0012122
      Shop #: WSC 01392 785 00200
      Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
      Component: E0221 007 0050
      1 Fault Found:
      01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
      000 - -
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
      Part No SW: 1K0 920 953 H HW: 1K0 920 953 H
      Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1610
      Revision: V0003000 Serial number: VWZ7Z0F8143581
      Coding: 0007207
      Shop #: WSC 23339 444 85450
      No fault code found.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 1K0-907-530.lbl
      Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 H HW: 1K0 907 951
      Component: J533__Gateway H12 0150
      Revision: H12 Serial number: 31001069181083
      Coding: 3F0F034007000000
      Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
      No fault code found.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.lbl
      Part No SW: 1K0 920 953 H HW: 1K0 920 953 H
      Component: IMMO VDD 1610
      Revision: V0003000 Serial number: VWZ7Z0F8143581
      Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
      No fault code found.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
      Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 M HW: 1K0 959 701 M
      Component: Tuer-SG 005 0967
      Coding: 0001077
      Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
      No fault code found.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-14x.lbl
      Part No: 1K1 909 144 L
      Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.069 H07 1806
      Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
      1 Fault Found:
      02546 - Steering Limit Stop
      005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
      Freeze Frame:
      Mileage: 14110 km
      Temperature: 26.0°C
      Voltage: 12.00 V
      Voltage: 11.80 V

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1K0-959-433-46.lbl
      Part No: 1K0 959 433 AF
      Component: KSG 0401
      Coding: 13C803083F090585880A048050CC
      Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200
      Component: Sounder n.mounted
      Component: NGS n.mounted
      Component: IRUE n.mounted
      No fault code found.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
      Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 M HW: 1K0 959 702 M
      Component: Tuer-SG 005 0967
      Coding: 0001076
      Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
      No fault code found.
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 56: Radio Labels: 1K0-035-161.lbl
      Part No SW: 1K0 035 161 B HW: 1K0 035 161 B
      Component: Radio DE2 014 0017
      Revision: 00014000 Serial number: VWZ4Z7F6167123
      Coding: 0040401
      Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
      No fault code found.
      End ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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      08-07-2008 08:03 PM #4
      Try 0013122

    5. 08-07-2008 11:20 PM #5
      I have tried that code, it says it is accepted but still throws a code?

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      08-08-2008 09:31 AM #6
      Probably something you forgot to retrofit?

    7. 08-08-2008 11:22 AM #7
      Any clues? I swapped the wheel, wheel harness, and controller.

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      08-08-2008 12:10 PM #8
      Check the measuring blocks of steering wheel, if the buttons work first. If they do, the problem is somewhere else.
      There is something else involved in the whole process. I helped few guys retrofit the MFSW and the outcome is sometimes unexpected:
      One guy has a fault code, but his buttons work just fine.
      The other guy has no fault codes at all, the buttons work (checked the measuring blocks), but the radio does not seem to receive/interpret them.
      I am not sure, maybe there is a coding of the radio itself. Or maybe something with the CAN Gateway...

    9. 08-08-2008 02:03 PM #9
      So far on mine, the paddles work but the other buttons do not work.

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      08-08-2008 10:23 PM #10
      Quote, originally posted by dokaman »
      So far on mine, the paddles work but the other buttons do not work.

      That's why I believe it is radio's fault...

    11. 08-09-2008 11:34 AM #11
      I do have the basic radio, no changer. Maybe the non premium HU is not MFSW compatible? I have tried to recode the radio as well. No matter what I have done so far, I still ge the trouble code.

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      08-09-2008 05:53 PM #12
      Could it be a slip ring problem?
      Qoute Ross-Tech Wiki:
      Steering Column Control Module
      There are 2 types of steering column control modules, each of them has 3 variants. The type is depending on the installed slip ring, either use the part number of the currently installed module or the part number of the slip ring to determine the correct module for the vehicle in question. If a part number is not listed, contact us and ask for help with this topic.

      Type I (Compatible to Slip Ring: 1K0-959-653, 1K0-959-653-A)
      Lowline
      Part Numbers: 1K0-953-549
      Supported Features: None
      Midline
      Part Numbers: 1K0-953-549-A
      Supported Features: Cruise Control, Trip Computer
      Highline
      Part Numbers: 1K0-953-549-B, 1K0-953-549-D, 1K0-953-549-AD, 1K0-953-549-AM
      Supported Features: Cruise Control, Trip Computer, Multi-Function Steering Wheel
      Type II (Compatible to Slip Ring: 1K0-959-653-C, 1K0-959-653-D)
      Lowline
      Part Numbers: 1K0-953-549-E, 1K0-953-549-AE
      Supported Features: None
      Midline
      Part Numbers: 1K0-953-549-F, 1K0-953-549-AF, 1K0-953-549-AH, 1K0-953-549-AP, 1K0-953-549-BC
      Supported Features: Cruise Control, Trip Computer
      Highline
      Part Numbers: 1K0-953-549-G, 1K0-953-549-AG, 1K0-953-549-AK, 1K0-953-549-AL, 1K0-953-549-AQ, 1K0-953-549-BD, 1K0-953-549-BK
      Supported Features: Cruise Control, Trip Computer, Multi-Function Steering Wheel



      Modified by Blackfinger at 2:58 PM 8-9-2008

    13. 08-09-2008 07:17 PM #13
      I will check this out.
      Thanks

    14. 08-15-2008 10:24 AM #14
      Just an update.
      The error light turned off today . I have the paddles working fine, buttons light up, steering assist started working again, and NO radio buttons.
      Maybe the basic radio is not mfsw compatible? I tryied to code the radio and is said out of range.


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      08-15-2008 10:36 AM #15
      I will be testing this theory (incompatible radio) soon.

    16. 08-15-2008 05:56 PM #16
      Hope to hear about your test

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      10-04-2008 12:12 AM #17
      Well, swapping the radio did not help. The last thing I can think of is CAN Gateway... Any other thoughts?

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      10-04-2008 05:20 PM #18
      I actually found another weird behaviour of the MFSW:
      When I had MFA+ the up/down buttons were changing channels/songs in my RNS-510 when the cluster was in Radio/Navi mode.
      When I reinstalled non-MFA cluster only volume buttons work.
      Does it mean the cluster is responsible for the communication between wheel and radio/navi?

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      10-04-2008 08:28 PM #19
      Out of curiosity, Have you checked the measuring value blocks to make sure the buttons are actually working? If you are not getting signal from the buttons to the CCM, then the problem lies somewhere in the wheel, slip ring, or wiring to the CCM. If the CCM does get signal from all buttons (and the signals are correct), then the problem would be an incompatibility somewhere...

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      10-04-2008 11:41 PM #20
      Quote, originally posted by fixmy59bug »
      Out of curiosity, Have you checked the measuring value blocks to make sure the buttons are actually working? If you are not getting signal from the buttons to the CCM, then the problem lies somewhere in the wheel, slip ring, or wiring to the CCM. If the CCM does get signal from all buttons (and the signals are correct), then the problem would be an incompatibility somewhere...

      The first thing I did was to check the measuring blocks. And the buttons work as they should. The signal is lost somewhere after the steering wheel control module. I believe it can be cluster responsible for blocking the signals.

    21. 10-08-2008 10:22 AM #21
      Some more great info, I will have to play with this today.

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      10-08-2008 11:25 AM #22
      Cluster doesn't block communications, but an incompatible radio can indeed be the problem...

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      10-08-2008 01:55 PM #23
      Quote, originally posted by Theresias »
      Cluster doesn't block communications, but an incompatible radio can indeed be the problem...

      So how do you explain that RNS-510 used up/down buttons when MFA+ cluster was in radio/navi mode and when I switched to non-MFA cluster RNS does not react to up/down buttons any more. Even mute stopped working.
      I have tested the compatible radio (from my car, worked with buttons for sure) in the car where wheel control module measuring blocks showed the buttons working and there was no communication between buttons and the radio.
      In my opinion it is cluster that receives the signals from buttons first and later resends them to the radio. I do not have CAN logger to prove this theory, but it make perfect sense: my up/down buttons were used to operate the MFA+ until I switched to the radio/navi mode on the MFA+. Since that moment they were used by the radio. In the past when all wheel buttons controlled radio/phone, the cluster was transparent just resending signals to the radio. Since the MFA+ buttons are on the wheel, it is the cluster that decides how to interpret them. So the newer clusters (non-MFA) just block the button signals, since they do not understand them (they were not built for MFSW vehicle).
      I hope I am wrong, because it means the end of MFSW retrofitting.

    24. 10-12-2008 01:57 AM #24
      Still no luck

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      10-13-2008 11:27 PM #25
      Let me preface by saying I have no exp w/VAGCOM or working on the VW electronics. I do have some knowledge re simple com networks.
      In a can bus isnt data broadcast over the entire network to each node and a given node will respond/take action if the node recognozes the opcode to do so? In such a scheme using no addressing I think itd possible for two devices to contend for a specific opcode, eg "button up". In such a case, unless there is a slave/master protocol (or node addressing) I think it would more or less be a crap shoot for nodes added after the fact to work.
      In any case, the little I do know, one node cant blcok another unless that is one of its functions. Who knows, maybe this is one of the cluster functions, but I dont know why.
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