Naturally Aspirated Top 1/4 Mile List.

[billyVR6]

Top 50 Naturally Aspirated 1/4 Mile List.
01. 10.74 @ 121.54mph - Nate Romero - 1995 Corrado - 2.1L 20v - Race Car - 1610 lbs. - Retired
02. 10.78 @ 12x.xxmph - Marcelo Griebler - 2007 Gol - 2.2L 16v - Race Car - 1750 lbs. (w/o Driver?) - Retired
03. 11.12 @ 128.75mph - Shaun Potgieter - Golf MK1 - 2.0L 20v - Race Car - Details Coming Soon. - Active
04. 11.26 @ 121.xxmph - Chris Alamorian - 1998 GTI - 3.2L R32 - Street Car - 2176 lbs. - Active
05. 11.26 @ 118.06mph - Aslam Seedat - Golf MK1 - 2.0L 16v - Race Car (Pro-Mod) - 1650 lbs. - Active
06. 11.35 @ 120.78mph - Bernd Arndt - 1993 Corrado - 3.1L 24v VR6 - Race Car - 1800 lbs. w/o Driver - Active
07. 11.45 @ 120.00mph - Elton Scullard - 1984 Golf - 2.1L 20v - Race Car - 1840 lbs. - Active
08. 11.54 @ 116.57mph - Bernd Arndt - 1979 Rabbit - 3.1L VR6 - Race Car - 1750 lbs. w/o Driver - Active
09. 11.57 @ 000.00mph - Bradley Van Rooi - Golf Mk1 - 2.1L 16v - Race Car - 1675 lbs. - Active
10. 11.61 @ 000.00mph - Shaun Du Preez - Golf Mk1 - Details Coming Soon. - Active
11. 11.67 @ 000.00mph - Barend Lombard - Golf Mk1 - Details Coming Soon. - Active
12. 11.68 @ 113.07mph - Anthony Dowd - 1998 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Race Car - 1980 lbs. – Retired
13. 11.73 @ 120.55mph - Arthur - Gol GTI - 2.2L 16v - Race Car - 2155 lbs. - Active
14. 11.82 @ 113.43mph - Matt Ivan - 1995 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Street Car - 2210 lbs. - Active
15. 12.00 @ 112.64mph - Chris Palumbo - 1995 GTI - 3.2L R32 - Street Car - 2480 lbs. - Retired
16. 12.05 @ 112.49mph - Mike Steelz - 1989 GTI - 3.2L R32 - Street Car - 2207 lbs. - Active
17. 12.08 @ 111.18mph - Zane Axsel - Golf Mk1 - 16v - Details Coming Soon. - Active
18. 12.09 @ 109.40mph - Nate Romero - 1978 Rabbit GTI - 2.0L 8v - Race Car - 1550 lbs. - Retired
19. 12.13 @ 120.55mph - Marcio - Gol GTI - 2.2L 16v - Street/Race Car - 2237 lbs. - Active
20. 12.13 @ 107.60mph - Kris Eshenour - 1982 Scirocco - 2.0L 8v - Race Car - 1690 lbs. - Retired
21. 12.20 @ 109.00mph - Kossob/Perkins/Perkins - 1977 Rabbit - 2.0L 8v - Race Car - 1680 lbs. - Retired
22. 12.23 @ 000.00mph - Janus Terburgh - Golf Mk1 - 16v - Details Coming Soon.
23. 12.24 @ 109.42mph - Chris Alamorian - 1991 GTI - 2.8L 24v VR6 - Street Car - 2371 lbs. - Retired
24. 12.31 @ 110.33mph - Joe Pendergest - 1980 Pickup Truck - 2.1 20v - Race Truck - 1825 lbs. - Active
25. 12.35 @ 110.00mph - Billy Mason - 1997 GTI - 3.0L VR6 - Street Car - 2300 lbs. - Retired
26. 12.43 @ 111.04mph - Tim Jessilonis - 1997 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Street Car - 2200 lbs. - Active
27. 12.45 @ 109.00mph - Bill Matter - 1980 Rabbit - 2.1L 8v - Race Car – Inactive
28. 12.48 @ 107.00mph - Jose Carvalho - 1983 GTI - 2.0L 20v - 1874 lbs. - Active
29. 12.49 @ 108.82mph - Joe Pinto - 1996 GTI - 2.9L VR6 (ABV) - Street Car - 2230 lbs. - Retired
30. 12.50 @ 107.95mph - Jesus Villarino - 1995 GTI - 3.2L R32 - Street Car - 2464 lbs. - Retired
31. 12.50 @ 107.25mph - Ben Zarpentine - 1994 Golf - 2.0L 20v - 2255 lbs. - Active
32. 12.56 @ 000.00mph - Nate Romero - 1995 Corrado - 2.0L 8v - Race Car - Retired
33. 12.58 @ 000.00mph - Annie Silva - Golf Mk1 - 2.1L 16v - Race Car – Active
34. 12.61 @ 110.xxmph - Ruben Wright - Golf MK1 - 2.0L 8v - Race Car - 1xxx lbs. - Active
35. 12.68 @ 106.95mph - Fredrick Du Preez - Golf Mk1 - Details Coming Soon. - Active
36. 12.68 @ 102.13mph - Todd Lloyd - 1995 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Race Car - 23xx lbs. - Active
37. 12.73 @ 107.32mph - Anthony Dowd - 1995 Jetta - 2.8L VR6 - Street/Race Car - 2250 lbs. - Retired
38. 12.83 @ 103.65mph - Bill Warburton - 1995 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Street Car - 2346 lbs. - Retired
39. 12.83 @ 105.48mph - Paul Kiernan - 1995 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Street Car - 2450 lbs. - Retired
40. 12.84 @ 106.96mph - Jacob Bailey - 1988 GTI - 3.2L R32 - Street Car - 2305 lbs. - Active
41. 12.84 @ 106.00mph - Collin Gyenes - 1979 Rabbit - 2.0L 8v - Race Car - 1500 lbs. w/o Driver – Retired
42. 12.85 @ 000.00mph - Edward Kriel - 2005 Golf Citi Mk1 - 2.0L 16v - Street Car - 1900 lbs. w/o driver - Active
43. 12.90 @ 106.xxmph - Paul Kiernan - 1995 GTI - 3.2L R32 - Street Car - 2498 lbs. - Retired
44. 12.90 @ 103.40mph - Johan vd Berg - Golf Mk1 - Details Coming Soon.
45. 12.9x @ 106.00mph - Bernd Arndt - 1980 Rabbit - 2.0L 16v - Race Car - 1550 lbs. w/o Driver - Retired
46. 12.98 @ 103.00mph - Rick Brenner - 19xx Scirocco - 2.0L 8v - Race Car - 1500 lbs. w/o Driver - Retired
47. 12.99 @ 109.xxmph - Brandon - 1986 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Race Car - Retired (For Sale)
48. 12.99 @ 103.00mph - Miguel Vinuela - 1988 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Street Car - Retired
49. 13.00 @ 10X.xxmph - Dave Anderson - 198x Pickup Truck - 2.1 16v - ABD Race Truck - Retired
50. 13.01 @ 104.xxmph - Joe Pinto - 1998 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Street Car - 2550 lbs. - Retired




Top 10 Naturally Aspirated Drag Radials List.
01. 11.73 @ 120.55mph - Arthur - Gol GTI - 2.2L 16v - 225/50 Hoosier - 2155 lbs. - Active
02. 12.13 @ 120.55mph - Marcio - Gol GTI - 2.2L 16v - Radial Street Tire - 2237 lbs. - Active
03. 12.60 @ 111.77mph - Mike Steelz - 1989 GTI - 3.2L R32 - 225/50 BFG - 2207 lbs. - Active
04. 12.81 @ 106.83mph - Matt Ivan - 1995 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - 225/50 BFG - 2410 lbs. - Active
05. 12.85 @ 000.00mph - Edward Kriel - 2005 Golf Mk1 - 2.0L 16v - 205\50\14 Bfgoodridge Tyres - 1900 lbs. w/o driver - Active
06. 12.89 @ 108.80mph - Billy Mason - 1997 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - 225/50 Mickey Thompson - 2350 lbs. - Active
07. 12.97 @ 104.50mph - Chris Alamorian - 1991 GTI - 2.8L 24v VR6 - 225/50 BFG - 2383 lbs. - Active
08. 13.07 @ 103.51mph - Sky Watkins - 1995 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - 225/50 BFG - 2450 lbs - Retired
09. 13.18 @ 101.28mph - Waleed Bassadien - Golf Mk1 - 2.1L 16v - BFG - 1895 lbs. - Active
10. 13.20 @ 103.73mph - Paul Kiernan - 1995 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - 225/50 BFG - 2475 lbs. - Active




Top 10 Naturally Aspirated 8v List.
01. 12.09 @ 109.40mph - Nate Romero - 1978 Rabbit GTI - 2.0L 8v - Race Car - 1550 lbs. - Retired
02. 12.13 @ 107.6xmph - Kris Eshenour - 1982 Scirocco - 2.0L 8v - Race Car - 1690 lbs. - Retired
03. 12.20 @ 109.00mph - Kossob/Perkins/Perkins - 1977 Rabbit - 2.0L 8v - Race Car - 1680 lbs. - Retired
04. 12.45 @ 109.00mph - Bill Matter - 1980 Rabbit - 2.1L 8v - Race Car - Inactive
05. 12.56 @ 000.00mph - Nate Romero - 1995 Corrado - 2.0L 8v - Race Car – Retired
06. 12.61 @ 110.xxmph - Ruben Wright - Golf MK1 - 2.0L 8v - Race Car - 1xxx lbs. - Active
07. 12.84 @ 106.00mph - Collin Gyenes - 1979 Rabbit - 2.0L 8v - Race Car - 1500 lbs. w/o driver - Retired
08. 12.98 @ 103.00mph - Rick Brenner - 19xx Scirocco - 2.0L 8v - Race Car - 1500 lbs. w/o Driver - Retired
09. 13.58 @ 101.28mph - Riaan de Wet - 1990 Golf Mk1 - 2.0L 8v - Street Car - 2105 lbs. – Active
10. 13.66 @ 096.62mph - Rob Storm - 1983 Rabbit GTI - 2.0L 8v - Race Car - 1550 lbs. - Active




Top 10 Naturally Aspirated 16v List.
01. 10.78 @ 12x.xxmph - Marcelo Griebler - 2007 Gol - 2.2L 16v - Race Car - 1750 lbs. (w/o Driver?) - Retired
02. 11.26 @ 118.06mph - Aslam Seedat - Golf MK1 - 2.0L 16v - Race Car (Pro-Mod) - 1650 lbs. - Active
03. 11.57 @ 000.00mph - Bradley Van Rooi - Golf MK1 – Golf Mk1 – 2.1L 16v - Race Car - 1675 lbs. - Active
04. 11.73 @ 120.55mph - Arthur - Gol GTI - 2.2L 16v - Race Car - 2155 lbs. - Active
05. 12.08 @ 111.18mph - Zane Axsel - Details Coming Soon.
06. 12.13 @ 120.55mph - Marcio - Gol GTI - 2.2L 16v - Street/Race Car - 2237 lbs. - Active
07. 12.58 @ 000.00mph - Annie Silva - Golf Mk1 - 2.1L 16v - Race Car - Active
08. 12.85 @ 000.00mph - Edward Kriel - 2005 Golf Citi Mk1 - 2.0L 16v - Street Car - 1900 lbs. w/o driver - Active
09. 12.9X @ 106.00mph - Bernd Arndt - 1980 Rabbit - 2.0L 16v - Race Car - 1550 lbs. w/o driver - Retired
10. 13.17 @ 102.20mph - Patrick Schmidt - 19XX Scirocco - 2.0L 16v - Retired




Top 10 Naturally Aspirated 20v List.
01. 10.74 @ 121.54mph - Nate Romero - 1995 Corrado - 2.1L 20v - Race Car - 1610 lbs. - Retired
02. 11.12 @ 128.75mph - Shaun Potgieter - Golf MK1 - 2.0L 20v - Race Car - Looking for more details. - Active
03. 11.45 @ 120.00mph - Elton Scullard - 1984 Golf - 2.1L 20v - Race Car - 1840 lbs. - Active
04. 11.67 @ 000.00mph - Barend Lombard - Golf Mk1 - Details Coming Soon. - Active
05. 12.23 @ 000.00mph - Janus Terburgh - Golf MK1 - Details Coming Soon.
06. 12.31 @ 110.33mph - Joe Pendergest - 1980 Pickup Truck - 2.1 20v - Race Truck - 1825 lbs. - Active
07. 12.48 @ 107.00mph - Jose Carvalho - 1983 GTI - 2.0L 20v - 1874 lbs. - Active
08. 12.50 @ 107.25mph - Ben Zarpentine - 1994 Golf - 2.0L 20v - 2255 lbs. - Active
09. 12.68 @ 106.95mph - Fredrick Du Preez - Details Coming Soon.
10. 12.90 @ 103.40mph - Johan vd Berg - Details Coming Soon.




Top 10 Naturally Aspirated 12v VR6 List.
01. 11.54 @ 116.57mph - Bernd Arndt - 1979 Rabbit - 3.1L VR6 - Race Car - 1750 lbs. w/o Driver - Active
02. 11.68 @ 113.07mph - Anthony Dowd - 1998 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Race Car - 1980 lbs. - Retired
03. 11.82 @ 113.43mph - Matt Ivan - 1995 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Street Car - 2210 lbs. - Active
04. 12.35 at 110.00mph - Billy Mason - 1997 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Street Car - 2300 lbs. - Retired
05. 12.43 @ 111.04mph - Tim Jessilonis - 1997 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Street Car - 2200 lbs. - Active
06. 12.49 @ 108.82mph - Joe Pinto - 1996 GTI - 2.9L VR6 (ABV) - Street Car - 2230 lbs. - Retired
07. 12.68 @ 102.13mph - Todd Lloyd - 1995 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Race Car - 23xx lbs. - Active
08. 12.73 @ 107.32mph - Anthony Dowd - 1995 Jetta - 2.8L VR6 - Street/Race Car - 2250 lbs. - Retired
09. 12.83 @ 103.65mph - Bill Warburton - 1995 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Street Car - 2346 lbs. - Retired
10. 12.83 @ 105.48mph - Paul Kiernan - 1995 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Street Car - 2450 lbs. - Retired




Top 10 Naturally Aspirated 24v VR6 List.
01. 11.26 @ 121.xxmph - Chris Alamorian - 1998 GTI - 3.2L R32 - Street Car - 2176 lbs. - Active
02. 11.35 @ 120.78mph - Bernd Arndt - 1993 Corrado - 3.1L 24v VR6 - Race Car – 2075 lbs. - Active
03. 12.00 @ 112.64mph - Chris Palumbo - 1995 GTI - 3.2L R32 - Street Car - 2480 lbs. - Retired
04. 12.05 @ 112.49mph - Mike Steelz - 1989 GTI - 3.2L R32 - Street Car - 2207 lbs. - Active
05. 12.24 @ 109.42mph - Chris Alamorian - 1991 GTI - 2.8L 24v VR6 - Street Car - 2371 lbs. - Retired
06. 12.50 @ 107.95mph - Jesus Villarino - 1995 GTI - 3.2L R32 - Street Car - 2464 lbs. - Retired
07. 12.84 @ 106.96mph - Jacob Bailey - 1988 GTI - 3.2L R32 - Street Car - 2305 lbs. - Active
08. 12.90 @ 106.xxmph - Paul Kiernan - 1995 GTI - 3.2L R32 - Street Car - 2498 lbs. - Retired
09. 14.40 @ 095.96mph - John Keating - 2003 GLI - 2.8 24v - Street Car - 3130 lbs. - Active
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*The original topic from the Drag Racing forum archives can be viewed here.

[billyVR6]

I finally got around to gathering some overseas info I have been working on. Hopefully a little motivation. South Africa is running some damn good numbers. Looks like Tarlton Speedway is home of a few little 12 second monsters.

Quote, originally posted by Taken from Speed & Sound Magazine »

TOP TEN NORMALLY ASPIRATED FRONT WHEEL DRIVE 1. Boeta Kotze Emotion Corsa 11.60 Tarlton 2007 2. Pieter Benade SAC Ford Lazer 11.71 Amsterdam ‘07 3. Elton Scullard VW Golf Mk1 12.10 Tarlton 2007 Marco Vieira Honda Civic 12.10 Amsterdam ‘06 4. Boeta Kotze Opel Kadett 12.22 Amsterdam ‘06 5. Janus Terburgh VW Golf Mk1 12.23 Wesbank 2006 6. Zane Axsel VW Golf Mk1 12.25 Tarlton 2008 7. Jose Carvalho VW Golf Mk1 12.48 Tarlton 2008 8. Marco Gounder Opel Kadett 12.51 Tarlton 2008 9. Freek du Preez VW Golf Mk1 12.68 Tarlton 2008 10. Dawie Joubert Honda Civic 12.90 Killarney 2002 Johan vd Berg VW Golf Mk1 12.90 Tarlton 2008

I have leads on two of the cars so far, maybe another. As far as I know, one of them is a 2.0 20v ITB car. If it isn't the car on the list I am thinking of, then it looks like I may have found another. Either way, maybe we'll have another 20v added to give Nate Ramero some company. #6, Zane Axsel, is running a 16v, and is actually featured in a current issue of VDUB magazine.

Looks like there is a pretty decent event/class that these guys run in (http://www.sportcompact.co.za). The names and the cars cross reference to a few different events. So, I will try to keep searching for the details so they can be added when proven. That will start to knock all us slow pokes back a few notches. Motivated?


Modified by billyVR6 at 12:38 PM 8-18-2008

[race-shop joe]

damn rabbits over there

[need_a_VR6]

New 'motorsports' shell is only $950 anyone want to split a container?

[billyVR6]

Quote, originally posted by race-shop joe »

damn rabbits over there

Two of them are definetly 20v's too. You need to fix that car over at your shop, and then take it to the track before you hand the keys back to the owner!

Anyway, how about that for find though? Six 12 second N/A cars, all four bangers, all no joke. I should have some good information about them soon than later. They have another event coming up on the 24th, can't wait to see the results.


Modified by billyVR6 at 2:03 PM 8-27-2008

[race-shop joe]

yea im trying to get it fixed for waterfest...........next year lol theres alot of work to be done, ill see what i can do. i will get lightened up and some new sneakers. after i bring it back ,ill call him and say i got the car running but the tow truck driver must have broken your axle

[need_a_VR6]

I got axles and the right socket, no harm, no foul. You have 5" spacers to get the 13's to clear?

[race-shop joe]

ohh yeah forgot about those "big brakes" oh well drg radials it is.

[soch naungayan]

i know i got some old vids of my mk3 on both my youtube and myspace as well as a few other guys na videos...but....
lets see some video's or links to these all motor cars... i'm really pissed i lost all of nates video's on my last computer meltdown.

[billyVR6]

Soch, link up any videos you've got!

Here are two videos, impossible to see the final ET.
I know the cars though, and have documented times bookmarked at work.

This is the 12.42 car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZFdJ6r3dTg

This is the 12.10 car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwFeIn0CvcA

Modified by billyVR6 at 10:01 PM 8-20-2008

[XXX008XXX]

my primered a2 went 13.4X at 103 on street tires. no drag radials. 14" street tires to be exact. still cut 1.9 60 foot times.

[soch naungayan]

Quote, originally posted by billyVR6 »

Soch, link up any videos you've got! Here are two videos, impossible to see the final ET. I know the cars though, and have documented times bookmarked at work. This is the 12.42 car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZFdJ6r3dTg This is the 12.10 car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwFeIn0CvcA Modified by billyVR6 at 10:01 PM 8-20-2008

just click on my youtube thingy...i got a few of mine(plus my dyno itb+turbo run) but i'll try to see if i can find other guys run on my hard-drive.

[95GLX]

I noticed that this thread doesn't say FWD anymore. Can we put my n/a R32 time in now, check signature.

[soch naungayan]

Quote, originally posted by billyVR6 »

Soch, link up any videos you've got! Here are two videos, impossible to see the final ET. I know the cars though, and have documented times bookmarked at work. This is the 12.42 car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZFdJ6r3dTg This is the 12.10 car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwFeIn0CvcA Modified by billyVR6 at 10:01 PM 8-20-2008

good news....
after hours and hours of digging and downloading and retrieving lost codes....i was able to retrieve all of nates old vwsport videos(like the nopi stuff as well as his race 101 stuff) as well as some of dowds..and a few other old vwsport vids...and a bunch of misc all motor races we recorded out here in the west coast...ie my friend bisi in his 9 sec honda...some scott kelly...leslie durst etc...plus a ton of others. ill start to have them loaded on my youtube account. for you east coast guys...
soch

[root beer]

Got a few passes on the 22's tonight. I need alot more seat time.

best of the night:
60' 1.97
1/8 8.623
mph 83.69
1/4 13.318
mph 105.16

That was w/ a bogged start....

I cut as good as a 1.85, but i either misshifted my other runs, or placed my shifts incorrectly.

Tim Jessilonis-97 gti vr6-street car-2470

[killacoupe]

12.47@106.7 2371lbs

[billyVR6]

Soch, great news. Now I should just try to get their old runs from Tim too.

Quote, originally posted by root beer »

13.318

Nice...

Quote, originally posted by killacoupe »

12.47

... and damn!

Did you sleep at the track all this week or something?

[billyVR6]

Anthony, it's still FWD only...
just take your engine out and put it in your white car.

[root beer]

Jeeeesus Chris.

[need_a_VR6]

Quote, originally posted by root beer »

Jeeeesus Chris.

Heck yeah.

[vr6chris]

congrats to tim and chris for running new personal best et's. chris you are ****in tearing it up man.

[soch naungayan]

well i got a bunch of the old race 101 videos up...just click my youtube tab...plus a few other all motor passes...ill keep digging in my hard drive cause i know there plenty more other drag/dyno stuff i'll get up.

[THE GOLF]

Hey guys new to this forum. Well i ran a 11.606sec last week in my rebuilt Rabbit 2.0 20v n/a i will try to load the run at some stage.Elton Scullard

[billyVR6]

Elton, please post your results when you can. I have been following your car on the sportcompact.co.za and the SAS forums. I have some information from searching, but would rather get the details directly from you. Please post the cars weight w/ driver, type of fuel, tires and if it is a dedicated race car or street driven. If it is on alky or has lexan, that will automatically make it race car status

I am very interested to hear how Round 3 of the series went this past weekend.

Anyway, congratulations on the 11.60 run!!!! It's been a VERY long time since we have seen a new car break into the 11's. It is nice to see so many where you are pushing the All Motor envelope.


Modified by billyVR6 at 9:23 AM 8-26-2008

[THE GOLF]

Afer some quick calculations cars weight including driver 1840lbs Its actually 2.1l dont have speed cause our stupid tracks speed traps are broken.
http://www.wpmc.co.za/_downloa...r.pdf for the result dont know why the guys round it up. i have not been doing sport compact cause well i rolled my last car so this was a 11.6 first time out with the new car

[THE GOLF]

sorry its a full on race car

[THE GOLF]

oh yes its a fully stripped out race car

[XXX008XXX]

Hey where is my old 13.4 on street tires????

[billyVR6]

Damn, I will get to it.

[need_a_VR6]

Quote, originally posted by XXX008XXX »

Hey where is my old 13.4 on street tires????

This is an all motor list. Zing.

[XXX008XXX]

Quote, originally posted by need_a_VR6 »

This is an all motor list. Zing.

This joke is so old and it still makes me laugh lol

[vw1320]

New best for me -

13.096@103.67 2470lbs 205/50/15 bfg

See my thread for details.

[root beer]

Nice dude!

[need_a_VR6]

I ran a 13.42@102 in the white car on normal street tires.. put that up if you're going to bother putting Palumbo's up

[XXX008XXX]

Quote, originally posted by need_a_VR6 »

I ran a 13.42@102 in the white car on normal street tires.. put that up if you're going to bother putting Palumbo's up

if people did know better they would think we were brothers or something.... i would be the beter looking one lol