Naturally Aspirated Top 1/4 Mile List.

[skydaman]

Quote, originally posted by billyVR6 »

Go back and read the Top 50 list, and then read the Top 10 8v sub-section. Then come back and tell us who should be where, and on what list.

Ouch totally owned by pg1... Oh well..

I should have a new time for the Top 50 and Top Drag Radial list on Sunday as long as the rain holds out.

[GTIStile]

lookin at this peaked my interest for the 12vs

06. 12.83 @ 103.65mph - Bill Warburton - 1995 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Street Car - 2346 lbs. - Retired

08. 12.99 @ 103.00mph - Miguel Vinuela - 1988 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Street Car - Retired

09. 13.04 @ 101.00mph - Chris Palumbo - 1990 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Street Car - 2230 lbs. - Retired

10. 13.07 @ 102.77mph - R.J. Parker - 1996 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Street Car - 2360 lbs. - Under Water!

These times were run several years ago... the trap speeds are really nothing to gawk at 101 to mid 103...

to most, a couple mph here and there doesnt seem like much, but i remember running the black car and could never squeeze over 103mph out of it, now we're talkin 106+ upwards of 107 with similiar mods and even MORE weight than we were running at the time. Air quality improve in the past couple years???

07. 12.83 @ 105.48mph - Paul Kiernan - 1995 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Street Car - 2450 lbs. - Active

04. 12.69 @ 106.79mph - Matt Ivan - 1995 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Street Car - 2380 lbs. - Active

I really think about this mainly because i know how fast my black car was, and i know how fast my hatch is now, and it's night and day. depending on the pass, these guys are within 1mph of what my hatch is trapping, and that is impressive in my eyes
*edit, i just remembered that paul is running a race-shop head, so there is something to be said about that, but i really havnt seen much info on Matt (vw1320s) setup


Modified by GTIStile at 1:42 PM 11-13-2008

[billyVR6]

Yes, it is night and day, and a lot has changed in the past years.
I know your answer, but that best left for them to address.

Just for conversation sake, I have trapped higher than the ET on this list, but never as high, and consistent as these guys have been doing.

Here's the thing, when does MPH even matter?


Modified by billyVR6 at 2:54 PM 11-13-2008

[XXX008XXX]

actuall my black car went 103 with the 276 cams. then a week later it sucked a valve. the compression was very low. around 120 across the board! i think with a fresh bottom end, that car would have went 105 on a good day. but hey, that car was thrown together in a weekend!!!

[vw1320]

If it makes you feel any better I have actually trapped as high as 107.17

[GTIStile]

Quote, originally posted by billyVR6 »

Here's the thing, when does MPH even matter? Modified by billyVR6 at 2:54 PM 11-13-2008

Yes and no... ...Yes in that i think it speaks to the potential that has not been reached just yet

Quote, originally posted by vw1320 »

If it makes you feel any better I have actually trapped as high as 107.17

Actually....

No, no it doesnt

[race-shop joe]

my mph is going back down. trapping 102 now that i got a little more traction. was goiong 103. when i put the slicks on ill probably lose some more mph hopefully ill get the et i want though.hell id be happy with a 12.9 @ 99 mph now

[need_a_VR6]

The mph is because we've been around long enough we're not scared of breaking anything anymore. Got balls?

[GTIStile]

lol, i was givin it 7000rpm launches on 2.0l axles, stock diff and stock clutch... i aint skuurred... there's more to it than that, that's for sure


Modified by GTIStile at 12:36 AM 11-14-2008

[need_a_VR6]

I only launch at 6k, got me.

[billyVR6]

I only launched at 5200, got me.

[GTIStile]

you guys always talk about launchin on streets at 2800-3000... i could never make anything happen under 4500... go figure... s'all good though

[race-shop joe]

all depends on the clutch, stock clutch im leaving at 5200 on drag radials. with a good clutch i was at 5200 on the slicks 1.95 vrs 1.66, i dont think you will get past the 1.7s on a stock clutch, slips too much

[billyVR6]

Quote, originally posted by GTIStile »

you guys always talk about launchin on streets at 2800-3000... i could never make anything happen under 4500... go figure... s'all good though

Yeah, 28/3000 on the radials just worked out well for me back then, a bit higher for the drag radials.

I am not nice to clutches, and I bring the throttle out hard while still on the clutch.
So who knows what kind of other launch that would even be equivalent to.

There is a reason why I use the clutch I use, because I feel it works best with how I drive it.
I think I would eat sh*t with an unsprung nasty puck set up.

[need_a_VR6]

You'd commit suicide over the chatter.

[skydaman]

Well I went back out yesterday... got the MPH I wanted but still can't get out of the hole to save my life. Guess such is life peg legging with a stock diff and low track temp. Found a few more pounds to take out as well. I also put the stock intake back in (down to the Purolater filter) and it seemed to be better then the filter on a stick. I really want a 13.2 before I put the gears in... theres still a few track days left to find the driver mod

13.39 @ 103.01mph - Sky Watkins - 1995 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - Street Car - 2450 lbs - Active

13.39 @ 103.01mph - Sky Watkins - 1995 GTI - 2.8L VR6 - 225/50 BFG - 2450 lbs. - Active

[need_a_VR6]

Slip the clutch more I've hit mid 1.8's on those tires launching around 4k.

[skydaman]

Quote, originally posted by need_a_VR6 »

Slip the clutch more I've hit mid 1.8's on those tires launching around 4k.

On a stock diff? I can't even heat up both tires What pressure were you running? I messed around between 18 down to 12PSI.

I tried messing around with launch RPM and slipping the clutch but I keep getting 2.0's best was a 2.001. Seems if I launch over 3k I get too much spin, under 2,500 and it doesn't go anywhere. So I've stuck with the 2,800ish.

[billyVR6]

I will get to some updates later this week.

I just put a feeler out to the 8v and 2.0 forum to try and cough up any cars that I may have overlooked, or was not aware of.

If anyone on the current list/s has a recent update, a discrepancy with their information, etc., etc., please post here with time slips and details so I can all this tightened up soon.

Thanks.

[need_a_VR6]

Peloquin but with a 3.94 final I'll call that a wash. You need to ride the clutch out hard, just like on regular streets. I ran mine at 12psi cold.

[skydaman]

Quote, originally posted by need_a_VR6 »

Peloquin but with a 3.94 final I'll call that a wash. You need to ride the clutch out hard, just like on regular streets. I ran mine at 12psi cold.

Thanks, I'll give it a try next outing. Be nice to drop ET with what I've got before throwing more money, time, and parts at it.

[J.Q. Public]

Quote, originally posted by skydaman »

Thanks, I'll give it a try next outing. Be nice to drop ET with what I've got before throwing more money, time, and parts at it.

Good times, what's the basics of your current setup?

[race-shop joe]

good times sky, like he said its a whole different ball game with the open diff on drag radials. i hear ya on that one legger, you cant tell what tire is spinning in the burnout. ive found the best on the bfgs around 12-15 psi and my new mts im running 18-20 psi, no need to go any lower

[GTIStile]

as far as the burnout goes... ive always turned the wheel back and forth while the tires are spinning, it tends to help make both tires spin with the open diff.

You can see it a little bit here (moreso on the second burnout, you can see how the power transfers)(this is on 22x8 slicks, but its the same technique)
http://video.google.com/videos...ab=wv#

The flip-side of that is that i've heard people say that will throw you diff out the side of the case, but it never happened to me

[skydaman]

Quote, originally posted by J.Q. Public »

Good times, what's the basics of your current setup?

Thanks, DRC 268, MKIV HG, Autotech LWFW, chip, exhaust

Quote, originally posted by race-shop joe »

good times sky, like he said its a whole different ball game with the open diff on drag radials. i hear ya on that one legger, you cant tell what tire is spinning in the burnout. ive found the best on the bfgs around 12-15 psi and my new mts im running 18-20 psi, no need to go any lower

Thanks, you go out this weekend? haha I was trying to get my buddy to tell me which one was spinning

Quote, originally posted by GTIStile »

as far as the burnout goes... ive always turned the wheel back and forth while the tires are spinning, it tends to help make both tires spin with the open diff. The flip-side of that is that i've heard people say that will throw you diff out the side of the case, but it never happened to me

I thought about that and didn't because I thought the same thing about my axles and diff...

[race-shop joe]

i didnt get a chance to get out, they had a rain out on sat and moved it to sunday, no test n tune, try to go this week. dont like going when its 30 deg out though

[XXX008XXX]

what gear are you doing your burnouts in?

[skydaman]

Quote, originally posted by XXX008XXX »

what gear are you doing your burnouts in?

1st, I wouldn't even go as far as to call it a burnout.

[need_a_VR6]

I always did 2nd gear burnouts with the BFG's and ran it through the water.

[skydaman]

Quote, originally posted by need_a_VR6 »

I always did 2nd gear burnouts with the BFG's and ran it through the water.

I'm a bit weary of my stock trans... trying to keep it together.

[billyVR6]

Well, the 8v's will go on when I get time this weekend.
I found nothing that I already didn't know.

This week I did come across another 12v banger.
That car may be linked to a 16v that I was trying to track down in the old topic.

Then that reminded me, I was still trying to nail down a time for the ABD drag truck.

I have talked to ABD in the past, but I am still yet to see an exact time, time slip, or video. It's like there is this big cloud surrounding that truck. Some claim high 12's, then there is talk of deep 12's, while others mention it was always breaking, and never got out of the 13's. There was even a quote that the truck went "11's with 12 of the 16 valves bent" too.

Anyone???

[MkIIRoc]

Better make some room...Todd ran a 12.69 with the VR today. I'll let him post up the timeslip. And with no tach, no 2 step, and a broken shifter!

[fourthchirpin]

Quote, originally posted by MkIIRoc »

Better make some room...Todd ran a 12.69 with the VR today. I'll let him post up the timeslip. And with no tach, no 2 step, and a broken shifter!

wow, i know he was quiet excited. iam happy for that mofo

[skydaman]

Quote, originally posted by MkIIRoc »

Better make some room...Todd ran a 12.69 with the VR today. I'll let him post up the timeslip. And with no tach, no 2 step, and a broken shifter!

Congrats! Damn thats moving. On slicks or radials?

[MkIIRoc]

23" M&H slicks

Video- 25mb

http://www.angelfire.com/pa5/esh/todd/Todd1.wmv

Lots more video, but I shot it all in 1080p, and my computer is really old, haha. Took 30 minutes just to cut it down to a downloadable size.