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    1. 07-09-2011 01:44 AM #3501
      Quote Originally Posted by .:RDriver View Post
      I do not believe that CA allows SBRs as stated there.
      CA allows AOW's, and Curios & relic SBS/SBR.

      you'll need to have someone set up an NFA trust for you unless your CLEO will sign your form 1/4 (good luck with that)

      AOW's ($5 stamp)



      i'd dig a super shorty, but not gonna drop $600+ on an NFA trust just so i can buy one.
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      07-09-2011 05:09 AM #3502
      Quote Originally Posted by gotta_jet View Post
      CA allows AOW's, and Curios & relic SBS/SBR.

      you'll need to have someone set up an NFA trust for you unless your CLEO will sign your form 1/4 (good luck with that)

      AOW's ($5 stamp)
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      My Kel-tec P-40(not converted) and Smith & Wesson Search and Rescue Blade.

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      07-11-2011 04:08 AM #3505
      Quote Originally Posted by Motorwerks View Post
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      http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ght=sbr&page=1

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      07-11-2011 03:06 PM #3506
      What a PITA, I think I'll stick with 16 inch barrels (or pinned 14.5) for now.
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      07-12-2011 02:17 PM #3507
      I've been having some issues with the firing pin on my Ruger P89 lately and its to the point that I just don't trust it anymore, even if a gunsmith fixes it.

      Basically, I took it to the range a while back and the firing pin wasn't hitting the round so I took it home and cleaned it really really well, including the firing pin. Lubed it up and put it all back together. I went to the range on Saturday and got 3 rounds off before it started up again.

      I was never a huge fan of this gun (hand me down from my brother) and now I think this is the last straw. I'm looking at getting maybe a Beretta 92, Springfield XD9 or XD40. I have shot the Springfield and I like it a lot. I have a Sig Mosquito and I absolutely love the way it fits in my hand so I'd love to get a 226 or 229 but I can't spend that much on one.

      Any opinions, thoughts, advice, insight, etc?

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      07-12-2011 07:21 PM #3508
      My new toy. M82A1 with Leupold MK4 and Barrett BORS kit. The scope/BORS combo is already sold. I have a Nightforce NXS 5.5x22 and a new BORS that will be going on shortly.

      Yes, I know this is my 3rd Barrett. I have issues and need therapy.




    9. 07-12-2011 08:35 PM #3509
      The question is...are the newer models genuinely better than the old - or are you just suffering from new-car sickness, via firearms? I'd have a hard time losing money or spending more just to update a minor feature or two.

      What are the major changes you've seen - and have you seen a performance/reliability increase as the models develop?

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      07-12-2011 09:58 PM #3510
      Quote Originally Posted by Elbows View Post
      The question is...are the newer models genuinely better than the old - or are you just suffering from new-car sickness, via firearms? I'd have a hard time losing money or spending more just to update a minor feature or two.

      What are the major changes you've seen - and have you seen a performance/reliability increase as the models develop?
      The M82A1 has evolved over the past 10yrs. The rail system and a few other items have been upgraded. The one I just bought is a little over 3yrs old, but only has about 10rds through it.

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      07-12-2011 10:13 PM #3511
      Quote Originally Posted by 00boraslow View Post
      My new toy. M82A1 with Leupold MK4 and Barrett BORS kit. The scope/BORS combo is already sold. I have a Nightforce NXS 5.5x22 and a new BORS that will be going on shortly.

      Yes, I know this is my 3rd Barrett. I have issues and need therapy.





      Saw a guy on ar15.com take one of those beauties hog hunting. Piggy didn't make it far. Awesome looking rifle man.

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      07-13-2011 02:21 AM #3513
      LOL you can always tell the CA guns.

      I love my Young NM BCG! I only run it in my Service Rifle though. I cant afford them in everything else.
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    14. 07-13-2011 10:36 AM #3514
      Is that just an Fail-Zero coated bolt carrier? I had one in my last AR and it was awesome.

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      07-13-2011 12:00 PM #3515
      Quote Originally Posted by Motorwerks View Post
      LOL you can always tell the CA guns.

      I love my Young NM BCG! I only run it in my Service Rifle though. I cant afford them in everything else.

      Stupid bullet button.


      Quote Originally Posted by Elbows View Post
      Is that just an Fail-Zero coated bolt carrier? I had one in my last AR and it was awesome.
      No, it's chromed. But I think that Youngs uses some sort of teflon coating because they seem rather slick for just chrome. Super easy to clean. I tried a Fail Zero but I kept having feeding issues with it, so I sold it. Maybe a bad batch or something, I'm not sure.

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      07-13-2011 12:17 PM #3516
      Quote Originally Posted by boraIV View Post
      I was never a huge fan of this gun (hand me down from my brother) and now I think this is the last straw. I'm looking at getting maybe a Beretta 92, Springfield XD9 or XD40. I have shot the Springfield and I like it a lot. I have a Sig Mosquito and I absolutely love the way it fits in my hand so I'd love to get a 226 or 229 but I can't spend that much on one.

      Any opinions, thoughts, advice, insight, etc?
      I own both a P226 and a Mosquito and let me tell you, the P226 is much thicker than the Mosquito. I can get a side-by-side picture comparison if you'd like.

      My P226 was my first firearm and like you I couldn't justify the nearly $900 price. Then I found a CPO P226 for $600. That price was a little more bearable and since it's CPO, it gets a once over from the factory.
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      I don't know about you but, I get angry and shout "IB4TL" when one comes on.

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      07-13-2011 01:00 PM #3517
      Quote Originally Posted by abawp View Post
      I own both a P226 and a Mosquito and let me tell you, the P226 is much thicker than the Mosquito. I can get a side-by-side picture comparison if you'd like.

      My P226 was my first firearm and like you I couldn't justify the nearly $900 price. Then I found a CPO P226 for $600. That price was a little more bearable and since it's CPO, it gets a once over from the factory.
      Yeah I imagine that it is. I have big hands so that won't bother me. I handled a P250 yesterday and really liked that as well. Either way, they feel a helluva lot better than my Ruger.

    18. 07-13-2011 01:38 PM #3518
      Quote Originally Posted by SLC4EVER View Post
      Stupid bullet button.




      No, it's chromed. But I think that Youngs uses some sort of teflon coating because they seem rather slick for just chrome. Super easy to clean. I tried a Fail Zero but I kept having feeding issues with it, so I sold it. Maybe a bad batch or something, I'm not sure.
      My Fail-Zero one was a factory bolt and carrier from LWRC, so it worked out really well. They offer a FZ trigger group which is supposed to be awesome. Couple that with their new Advanced Combat Bolt and the whole package is pretty freakin' incredible.

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      07-13-2011 04:53 PM #3519
      Pretty sure they are offering an upper receiver with the same coating. I never did use the trigger that came with mine. I'm sold on single stage 3lb Timney's and use them in every build.

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      07-13-2011 05:16 PM #3520
      Quote Originally Posted by Elbows View Post
      Is that just an Fail-Zero coated bolt carrier? I had one in my last AR and it was awesome.
      like he said, not FZ, but there's not even a Teflon. Its all chrome, even my DPMS Chrome bolt is slick as snot

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    21. 07-14-2011 10:30 PM #3521
      Quote Originally Posted by gotta_jet View Post
      CA allows AOW's, and Curios & relic SBS/SBR.

      you'll need to have someone set up an NFA trust for you unless your CLEO will sign your form 1/4 (good luck with that)

      AOW's ($5 stamp)



      i'd dig a super shorty, but not gonna drop $600+ on an NFA trust just so i can buy one.
      just curious, how can a saiga 12 fit into an aow class?

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      07-14-2011 10:33 PM #3522
      Quote Originally Posted by ezekiel86 View Post
      just curious, how can a saiga 12 fit into an aow class?
      I cant even figure out exactly what an AOW is????
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      07-14-2011 10:46 PM #3523
      AOW = All other weapons (I think)

      It is what they call a "scary looking" gun when it doesn't fall into one of the pre-defined existing scary gun categories (ex: SBR, SBS, Machine Gun...).

      Placing said scary looking gun in said scary category makes it more difficult to obtain, thus making America safer.
      Last edited by greychinchilla; 07-14-2011 at 11:05 PM.

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      07-14-2011 10:52 PM #3524
      Quote Originally Posted by greychinchilla View Post
      AOW = All other weapons (I think)

      It is what they call a "scary looking" gun when it doesn't fall into one of the pre-defined existing scary gun categories (ex: SBR, SBS, Machine Gun...).

      Placing said scary looking gun in said scary category makes it more difficult to obtain, thus making America safer.
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      07-14-2011 11:20 PM #3525
      Quote Originally Posted by greychinchilla View Post
      AOW = All other weapons (I think)

      It is what they call a "scary looking" gun when it doesn't fall into one of the pre-defined existing scary gun categories (ex: SBR, SBS, Machine Gun...).

      Placing said scary looking gun in said scary category makes it more difficult to obtain, thus making America safer.
      It's actually "Any Other Weapon," and it's defined in the NFA act of 1934. Wikipedia has a pretty good summary:

      Any Other Weapons (AOWs) - this is a broad "catch-all" category used to regulate any number of firearms which the ATF deems deserving of registration and taxation. Examples include, among others:

      • Smooth-bore pistols




      • A firearm with combinations smooth bore and rifle barrels 12 inches or more but less than 18 inches in length from which only a single shot can be made from either barrel.


      • Disguised firearms


      • Firearms that can be fired from within a wallet holster or a briefcase


      • A short-barreled shotgun which came from the factory with a pistol grip is categorized as an AOW rather than a SBS, because the Gun Control Act describes a shotgun as “…designed or redesigned to be fired from the shoulder…”


      • Handguns with a forward vertical grip. It is therefore illegal to place an aftermarket foregrip on any pistol without first registering it as an AOW and paying the $200 "making tax" imposed by the Act.

      Thus, the Saiga in this example could, I believe, be defined as an AOW because it is a) a smoothbore pistol, and b) a pistol with a vertical foregrip.

      The nice thing about AOWs is that the transfer tax on them is only $5, instead of $200 like for other NFA items such as suppressors or fully automatics.

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      07-14-2011 11:23 PM #3526
      I wonder why CA needs an NFA trust then. Hmmmm I need to do more research.
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      07-14-2011 11:48 PM #3527
      Not just CA, everyone needs to either set up an NFA trust or have their local law enforcement chief sign off to buy/build an AOW/SBR/SBS/etc...

      When building my SBR, I went the trust route. It just seemed like a lot easier way of doing it. Once you pony up the dough, the only thing that really sucks is the wait. It took about 3.5 months to get my paperwork back from the ATF. For some the wait is much shorter, some much longer.

      Definitely do your research, I guess they take unregistered NFA weapons pretty seriously.

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      07-14-2011 11:54 PM #3528
      Quote Originally Posted by greychinchilla View Post
      Not just CA, everyone needs to either set up an NFA trust or have their local law enforcement chief sign off to buy/build an AOW/SBR/SBS/etc...

      When building my SBR, I went the trust route. It just seemed like a lot easier way of doing it. Once you pony up the dough, the only thing that really sucks is the wait. It took about 3.5 months to get my paperwork back from the ATF. For some the wait is much shorter, some much longer.

      Definitely do your research, I guess they take unregistered NFA weapons pretty seriously.
      I may just pass. My 18.5 barrel kicks like a mule as it is.
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      07-15-2011 12:03 AM #3529
      Then again, nothing quite matches the sheer badassery of a short barrel. Mine even attracted the attention of some "trailer park hot" chicks at the nearby range. I let one of them shoot it and now regret not taking advantage of the situation.

      The NFA process really isn't that bad though, I spent about 2 weeks researching it and mine went smoothly.

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      07-17-2011 06:00 PM #3530
      Lots of fun yesterday. The State Cops even showed up.













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    31. 07-17-2011 08:09 PM #3531
      Got bigger balls than me (shooting into a car at that close range can get some seriously backscatter). Looks like fun (though you realize how stupidly over-dramatic movies are the first time you start shooting anything).

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      07-18-2011 04:04 AM #3532
      Quote Originally Posted by greychinchilla View Post
      Then again, nothing quite matches the sheer badassery of a short barrel.
      Agreed. I love my AMD-65 and it always gets brought to the range. That fireball is a giggle generator.

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      07-18-2011 03:07 PM #3533
      I thought some of you guys may like to see these. This is my Grandfather in law who I hear was a bad a$$! He worked for the LA county Marshals office and these were some time about 1965-ish. I wish I could have met the old guy he sounds Awesome!









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      07-18-2011 03:18 PM #3534
      Motorwerks

      Awesome pics. Does your family have any of his firearms?

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      07-18-2011 03:42 PM #3535
      Quote Originally Posted by 00boraslow View Post
      Motorwerks

      Awesome pics. Does your family have any of his firearms?
      Some, I've been able to kind of look through some of whats in my inlaws stash, Ive also heard there's a "Really cool old .45" someplace but I have yet to find that one. I'm crossing my fingers its a 1911, and also hoping my brother in law hasn't absconded it. I have a couple of his .22 rifles. One is a Winchester 190, that is within a year or two of the one my Mom bought in about 1973. Whats awesome about that is we have a matching set of Winchester 190's. My wife and I had twins. So we have a Rifle for each of them that match and one came form each side of the family, and both were bought new before ether my wife or I was born!
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