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    Thread: The New Audi S4/S4 Avant

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      09-22-2008 04:57 PM #1

      Ingolstadt – Audi is introducing its new sporty top models in the midsize class – the S4 and the S4 Avant. Their engine, a three-liter V6 with direct fuel injection and mechanical turbocharging, delivers a powerful 245 kW (333 hp). It accelerates the S4 to 100 km/h (62.14 mph) in just 5.1 seconds, but on average only uses 9.7 liters of fuel per 100 km (24.25 US mpg). The quattro permanent all-wheel drive system transfers its power to the road in style, which is then converted by the sport suspension into dynamic handling. Upon request, Audi can equip the new S4 and S4 Avant with innovative technologies that further increase their lead over the competition. The seven-speed S tronic changes gears with lightning speed, and the new sport differential distributes the torque as needed between the rear wheels. The new Audi S4 will be unveiled to the public for the first time at the Paris Auto Show from October 2 to 19.
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      09-22-2008 06:41 PM #2
      I am interested to try the sport differential or Active Torque Vectoring, with 7-speed S-Tronic in new S4. Just a pity an Avant isn't going to be available with S4 Stateside.

    3. 09-22-2008 07:19 PM #3
      my next car

    4. 09-22-2008 08:11 PM #4
      Quote, originally posted by audiant »
      my next car

      Ditto. Except I think I'll wait about 5 years and get another used S4

    5. 09-22-2008 09:13 PM #5
      Ive been pondering wether to get the S4 vs 2.0T S-Line. Im glad they went with the 3.0T over the 8, because I would not have purchased the V8. Any idea when to expect this stateside?

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      09-22-2008 09:34 PM #6
      Man, the torque vectoring and 3.0 motor make this thing just about perfect. The only thing I fear is the price: I can imagine an S4 with the torque vectoring, ADS, B&O and Navigation easily touching $60k. Not that there's anything else (S5, perhaps) I would be interested in, but that's a *heluva* lot of bank!

    7. 09-22-2008 10:12 PM #7
      I hope there are other wheel options because those^ look pretty underwhelming. Other than that the car sounds and looks fantastic. Just too bad no more Avants for US.

    8. 09-22-2008 10:37 PM #8
      how does the selectable engine mapping effect california emissions? does this make it harder for aftermarket to play with? how cool is that supercharger whine gonna sound!?!?!

    9. 09-22-2008 11:25 PM #9
      Quote, originally posted by AudiVwMeister »
      how cool is that supercharger whine gonna sound!?!?!

      sick.

    10. 09-23-2008 12:19 AM #10
      ive only driven NA and turbos. and I love my 2.0t. just wondering how a supercharged engine differs from a turbo-charged in terms of driving feel. i understand how it works, just never driven one. what i love about my turbo is the boost and how it just puts ur ass in the seat when in kicks in, whats the effects of the supercharger?

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      09-23-2008 02:16 AM #11
      No avant [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthdown.gif[/IMG]




      Modified by QUATTR0 at 11:21 PM 9/22/2008

    12. 09-23-2008 01:02 PM #12
      I only want the Avant, i dont know if i'm going to wait for the C7 A6 avant or settle for the A4 Avant

    13. 09-23-2008 06:22 PM #13
      BRING THE AVANT OVER AUDI USA!

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      09-24-2008 08:52 AM #14
      Quote, originally posted by iwantanaudi »
      I only want the Avant, i dont know if i'm going to wait for the C7 A6 avant or settle for the A4 Avant

      As I understand it this was largely a market driven decision by Germany. S4 Avants sold in such low numbers that the model just didn't make sense. 2.0T S-line is close in appearance, but as for an S4 Avant you can blame it on the market. With like 200 some sold a year, would you bring them over if you were Audi?

    15. 09-24-2008 08:04 PM #15
      Quote, originally posted by George@Fourtitude »
      [img] Their engine, a three-liter V6 with direct fuel injection and mechanical turbocharging, delivers a powerful 245 kW (333 hp).

      You mean SUPERCHARGING right?

    16. 09-24-2008 11:56 PM #16
      So i guess Audi thinks this competes with the M3 and C63 . 335i is probably faster than this.
      Why didn't Audi go with turbos .

      from press release:
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      • Key competitors are BMW M3 sedan and Mercedes-Benz AMG C63.



      Modified by marf34 at 11:57 PM 9/24/2008

    17. 09-25-2008 12:09 AM #17
      Quote, originally posted by marf34 »
      So i guess Audi thinks this competes with the M3 and C63 . 335i is probably faster than this.
      Why didn't Audi go with turbos .

      from press release:
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      • Key competitors are BMW M3 sedan and Mercedes-Benz AMG C63.
      Modified by marf34 at 11:57 PM 9/24/2008

      That argument went on for pages in the car lounge. Regardless of what the press release says its positioned against the 335. Compare price and HP for each segment, they match up. And why would the 335i be faster? It has only 300hp vs 333 in the S4. The 2.0T pulls the same 0-60 time as the 328 let alone the 3.2 in the A4's
      A4 = 328
      S4 = 335
      RS4 = M3

    18. 09-25-2008 03:00 AM #18

      Quote, originally posted by marf34 »
      So i guess Audi thinks this competes with the M3 and C63 . 335i is probably faster than this.
      Why didn't Audi go with turbos .

      from press release:
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      • Key competitors are BMW M3 sedan and Mercedes-Benz AMG C63.
      Modified by marf34 at 11:57 PM 9/24/2008


      what a amazing car, clearly this car competes with 335, 0-60 doesnt say much, I'm sure this car will be faster around track than 335, even in straight because Audi always underrates their 0-60 and power, I can even imagine what this thing can do with more boost, another tuner friendly s4 like the old one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...lated


      Modified by areku_x at 8:01 AM 9/25/2008

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      09-25-2008 03:41 AM #19
      It seems to me like Audi is way behind here. BMW always has higher bhp/liter than Audi and is far better in price/performance. Set aside better interior quality and overal better styling, just looking at performance, I am upset.
      My concern starts early on...
      Think about it this way, Audi has the B5 S4 with a v6t, and BMW has the E36 N/A inline-6 with pretty much the same power. BMW totally surprises everyone and releases the 333hp/262lbft N/A inline-6 in 2000. Two years later, audi releases the B6 S4 with 340hp/302lbft; pretty similar power ratings. These two cars were similarly priced in the high 40's to mid 50's, and ran neck and neck in many performance reviews.

      The RS4 follows behind with a 420hp/??lbft model in 2007 and then BMW follows Audi's footsteps and releases the new M3, but this time with 414hp/295lbft; a significant power upgrade to the previous M3, and at a price discount of almost $10k compared to the RS4.
      The current M3 performs at the level of the current RS4 yet costs $10k less; the current S4 outperforms the 335, the new 300hp/300lbft BMW with an inline-6 turbo, yet the S4 comes at a $5k premium to the 335.
      Now, we are looking at the next generation S4, expected to also be priced in the high 40's to mid 50's, slightly below the current M3, and expected to compete with the 335; a car starting in the low 40's and when fully loaded, at the base price of the S4.
      Does anyone else feel like we are getting shafted here?

      The real problem is you can't get a t-fsi engine, other than the 2.0T, for under $50k. That's were BMW has Audi beat, hands down. This should have been the new A3.2 engine, just like the 335.
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      I think Audi is making a huge mistake not including high performance diesel in their lineup. Their is no reason why this can't be a viable option for North America and the EU. I think thr future of Audi lies in the development of hyperformance diesel and hybrid technology. It's safe to say, I am not buying another Audi until I can get a V6t-diesel with regenterative braking and plug-in capability. The Euro's need to hop on the bandwagon.
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    20. 09-25-2008 07:45 PM #20
      Quote, originally posted by areku_x »

      even in straight because Audi always underrates their 0-60 and power,

      You think BMW doesn't? The I6-TwinTurbo is an amazing engine 400whp with less than $2000 in mods. and it is underrated at 300 hp.
      S4 will probably be close to m3 in price. Audi is preparing us by saying it competes with the m3/c63.

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      09-26-2008 07:25 PM #21
      Quote, originally posted by chickdr »
      You mean SUPERCHARGING right?

      No, he means mechanical turbocharging as stated. "Turbocharging" is a loose term for methods of forced induction, including mechanical turbo aka supercharger.

    22. 09-29-2008 04:00 AM #22

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      • Key competitors are BMW M3 sedan and Mercedes-Benz AMG C63.

      How is this 333HP/325lb-ft S4 going to compete with a 451HP/443lb-ft Mercedes-Benz AMG C63 and a 420HP M3? Those cars are competitors to RS4. The S4 is competitor to TT BMW 335 and the A4 3.2L is competitor to N/A 328. IMO, the 2.0L Turbo is a POS!

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      09-30-2008 12:26 AM #23
      Thanks MRV6, I totally agree.
      Audi has fallen way behind and charges too much money for its relative power output.
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    24. 10-01-2008 09:57 AM #24
      I'm not sure BMW is cheaper, and remember that Quattro is included in the price of the S4 and not in the 335, you might care for it or not, but it is still there and it is still something that cost.
      The S4 should start at around 45k, so with some options you get 50k, the 335 gets up there very quickly.
      I agree that the S4 competes with the 335 and not the M3.
      But didn't Audi say the the S4 would be below the M3 and the RS4 above in performance a long time ago?

    25. 10-01-2008 11:45 AM #25
      Obviously I wasn't able to price out an S4 on the Audi USA site because it is not yet available. But here are some numbers for everyone's consideration. I tried to put what I think is standard in the S4 as well as what I figured most people would order. What is the base price of an S4? You may be right about the 335 not being much cheaper if at all once the two cars have the same features and equipment. someone can enlighten me if I'm wrong.
      My 335i xDrive Sedan
      3.0-liter, turbocharged inline 6-cylinder engine
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      Base MSRP $42,000
      Titanium Silver Metallic $550
      Beige Dakota Leather $0
      Dark Burl Walnut wood trim $0
      Cold Weather Package $1,000
      Premium Package $2,650
      Sport Package $1,350
      • 18" Light alloy wheels Star-spoke (Style287) with performance tires
      $600
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      Destination & Handling: $825
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      Modified by squishacorn at 8:47 AM 10/1/2008

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