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    Thread: Project: Kris’s Scirocco – aka “GINO”

    1. Member MrPill's Avatar
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      09-29-2008 06:53 PM #26
      Got a little more work done today.
      Removed vacuum booster and master cylinder:

      And then started some general engine bay clean-up:


      Also got the headlights out:

      That's all for today!
      It was time.

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      10-01-2008 10:38 AM #27
      Wow, you're not messin' around are ya? [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      So once things are torn down, what is the plan? Bodywork / paint?

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      10-01-2008 11:01 AM #28
      Yeah, holy carp! Moving right along. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] It doesn't really need that much body work from the looks of it. Of course, my perception of how much body work things can take has changed drastically with my recent work of restoring 356 Porsches.
      Keep up the good work!
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      10-01-2008 04:13 PM #29
      Quote, originally posted by vwdaun »
      Wow, you're not messin' around are ya? [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      So once things are torn down, what is the plan? Bodywork / paint?

      LOL! Yes my work schedule generally gives me days off in a row after working 3 x 12hrs so I can get some stuff done. Started back up last night so nothing will be done for a few days.
      After a couple more hours of cleaning yesterday I'm finding the engine bay in pretty good shape:

      Some rust on the top of the strut towers is only surface. Does not appear to be too much thinning there.

      And the front is not bad either:
      Notice the dent in the front fender which is about the only body damage on the car. The other areas appear to be surface rust.
      Looks like I will need to get the glass out to fix this rust through in the A-pilar though. Any suggestion on glass removal?

      Once I get done in the engine bay I will probably head inside the car and remove the interior. I need to get a good evaluation on the area around where the catalytic converter use to be. Some area of rust through in the floor pan tunnel is present there. Does not appear too bad when looking at it from the the underside though.
      I will also remove the wheel well splash guards to evaluate the inside of the fenders. I'm not sure the body kit needs to come off yet. Is this something that normally comes off during a re-spray? I read a little bit about this in the Bently.
      Heading up north this weekend so not much will get done on Gino, but I will be taking the Bently for my reading leisure!
      It was time.

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      10-01-2008 04:16 PM #30
      Quote, originally posted by Lord_Verminaard »
      Yeah, holy carp! Moving right along. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] It doesn't really need that much body work from the looks of it. Of course, my perception of how much body work things can take has changed drastically with my recent work of restoring 356 Porsches.
      Keep up the good work!
      Brendan

      Thanks man, our 914 had it's challenges too.
      It was time.

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      10-01-2008 04:19 PM #31
      The body kit usually does come off for a quality respray (i.e. not Maaco).
      Deal with it.
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      10-01-2008 04:32 PM #32
      Quote, originally posted by Chris16vRocco »
      The body kit usually does come off for a quality respray (i.e. not Maaco).

      Thanks for the input. This is the kind of stuff I'm looking for, not having done a project like this one before.
      I do want this to be done right and hope some of my questions are not dumb.
      It was time.

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      10-01-2008 05:00 PM #33
      I'm sure all of Gino's former owners are glad to see this progress, I know Marc and Daun will be following along with great interest. I'm delighted to see this car restored as it deserves to be! [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      10-02-2008 08:19 AM #34
      Quote, originally posted by Chris16vRocco »
      The body kit usually does come off for a quality respray (i.e. not Maaco).

      LOL, with Maaco, NOTHING comes off before they spray.
      Carl, (Ginster86Roc) did a re-paint and I believe he left the body kit intact. His car is immaculate. So I guess it's personal preference, and weather or not you think the car needs it. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] Of course, these cars are needy by nature ya know.
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      10-02-2008 10:50 AM #35
      Quote, originally posted by MrPill »
      I will also remove the wheel well splash guards to evaluate the inside of the fenders. I'm not sure the body kit needs to come off yet. Is this something that normally comes off during a re-spray? I read a little bit about this in the Bently.

      I would say yes, I have a Scirocco 16v parts car from the Great Lakes area and it has lots of rust hiding under the body kit.
      passenger front fender, botton near the door, rust area/spot is yhe size of a softball, only thing holding the fender together is the body kit

      I'm the first person to remove this fender from the car since it left Karmann in Germany.

      same fender from the other side, it looks fine and looked good on the car.
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      10-02-2008 11:27 AM #36
      frst, welcome to the forum. you got a friggin Gem of a car there.
      RE: removing windowshields...
      start at the top from the inside of the car, and work on rolling the rubber gasket off og the frame of the car., there is metal "grippers" in there that have teeth on them to keep the window in place. they suck a lot. you have to pull the rubber up and over these teeth. you will need to go back and forth over the entire perimeter of the window till you have it all looosened up. I find that old credit cards and hotel keys work great for sticking in betwen the gasket and the frame.
      once you have it out, throw away the metal gripper thing on the top of the wind shield. you dont need it and it will just make you break the windshield when you try to put it back in.
      dont break your windshield. they are hard to find new ones for. just take a look at my build thread to see what not to do.
      p.s. I love the interior. thats what carmine read slegator interior is what inspired me to do myseats like this:


      what kind of condition are your seats in? hows that fabric held up over time?
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      10-02-2008 11:57 AM #37
      Quite an inspiration to us all. I think you are gonna fit in well with this group of . Welcome and keep the updates coming.
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      10-03-2008 01:29 AM #38
      Wow !
      That's a nice interior!
      My seats seem to have held up pretty well. I cannot tell how much fading verses just being dirty is present, guess I'll figure that out when I get the wash done!. The main area of wear is the the typical side bolster on the drivers seat and it looks like Andy might be able to hook me up with some material for repair.
      Thanks for the information on the windshield removal, much appreciated.


      Modified by MrPill at 5:40 PM 10-9-2008
      It was time.

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      10-08-2008 06:10 PM #39

      So I spent some time with Gino this afternoon and moved into the inside of the car today to get down to the floors to evaluate what I saw from the bottom.
      Seats out:

      Driver's side bolster it the worst area of wear:

      Hey Marc, did you loose some change? It's Canadian!

      So what's this relay that's under the seat stuck in this foam? This one is NO Good!

      Most of the floor is pretty good:



      Except the driver's side. I will have to be do'in some welding here!

      Anybody have any good suggestions on getting the sound dead'ng stuff off the floor?
      Is there a source for partial floor panels or repair pieces?
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      It was time.

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      10-08-2008 06:32 PM #40
      Quote, originally posted by MrPill »
      Hey Marc, did you loose some change? It's Canadian!

      Marc's probably going to want that loonie back

      I'm thinking that maybe the relay is for the heated seats? IIRC, they were standard on Slegato's.
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      10-08-2008 06:41 PM #41
      Quote, originally posted by cholland_ »
      Marc's probably going to want that loonie back

      I'm thinking that maybe the relay is for the heated seats? IIRC, they were standard on Slegato's.

      It's a quarter Chris!
      You can keep the change, but I'd like to get my button back please.
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      10-08-2008 06:48 PM #42
      Hey there, I have scanned the B&W pics of Gino's cross border adventure, and I can soon burn and mail you a disc, if you IM me with your address. And I think that's my quarter

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      10-08-2008 10:13 PM #43
      Quote, originally posted by Mtl-Marc »
      It's a quarter Chris!

      Wow... I might actually be blind
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      10-11-2008 11:25 PM #44
      the relay under the seat is definitely for the seat heater.
      Im looking to buy a heated seat setup actually. so while you have the floor all apart rip out all the wiring for it and Ill buy it off you
      some people use dry ice to get the floor insulation to freeze then they bust it all up with a hammer.
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      10-12-2008 12:33 AM #45
      Looking good, man. Pretty cool you're doing this. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      10-12-2008 12:38 AM #46
      Quote, originally posted by JonnyPhenomenon »
      the relay under the seat is definitely for the seat heater.
      Im looking to buy a heated seat setup actually. so while you have the floor all apart rip out all the wiring for it and Ill buy it off you

      Quote, originally posted by JonnyPhenomenon »
      ...some people use dry ice to get the floor insulation to freeze then they bust it all up with a hammer.

      I was able to use a pneumatic air tool with a scraper type blade that worked pretty good. Thanks!
      Anybody have a source for a floor panel for the driver's side?
      It was time.

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      10-14-2008 06:26 PM #47
      Continued to remove the rear interior, rear lights and bumper today. I want to find out all the issues to better prepare me in figuring out how to continue.
      Rear end has one spot of rust perforation at one of the license plate attachment points:

      The rest of the spots are just surface rust with some loss of integrity at two of the valance (lip thingy that sits on top of the bumper) attachment points.
      Inside is clear of rust. Looking into the side panels, I can still not see any rust under the body kit, around the wheel wells:

      Another shot from the rear:

      And ChaChing!

      Will work on removing the door cards next.
      Looks like I'll also be putting bumpers on my shopping list too. The rear one's rebar is not usable at all. The front one might be able to be rescued though.
      It was time.

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      10-21-2008 12:49 PM #48
      ...but not with Gino.
      Had a small plumbing project to attend too. Running water out to a pasture.



      But I did make up for it somewhat. I did some reading in the Bently and was able to remove the dash without issue this morning.

      It was time.

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      10-23-2008 03:29 PM #49


      I think I'll go wrench on the car a little.
      It was time.

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      10-23-2008 06:05 PM #50
      Keep us posted and hang in there! We'll try our best to cheer you up [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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