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    Thread: *** Is it time for you to get a 24V Turbo Kit ? ***

    1. 10-05-2008 02:42 PM #51
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      Modified by pOrKcHoP bOy at 11:58 AM 10-5-2008

    2. 10-05-2008 03:31 PM #52
      Quote, originally posted by pOrKcHoP bOy »
      No need for multiple usernames, it's all about being open, upfront, and honest [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      I got your cast iron manifold stickied for when I go stage II and bigger snail [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]


      If I wasn't any of those things, I wouldn't have been on vortex selling turbos, kits and FI products for so long or have the reputation I have.

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      10-05-2008 05:59 PM #53
      Quote, originally posted by .SLEEPYDUB. »
      hmm...pretty unbelievable huh?

      Sorry, not everyone wants to have their motor in pieces, most guys I know like to drive their cars, not let them sit in pieces. Rebuilding motors isn't what I call fun.
      We can all see that someone made 320+whp @ 13psi non intercooled, do you think thats safe on a daily basis? How is your car running? 1st engine? 2nd? or 3rd?
      Quote, originally posted by NastyBrown »
      Thing to keep in mind about that dyno sheet is that was with boost creeping to 13 psi. And it was a Florida dyno. Also, Kinetic has been producing turbo kits for quite some time and I would assume that they probably know a little more about this kind of stuff than most of us.

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      10-05-2008 06:04 PM #54
      Quote, originally posted by .SLEEPYDUB. »
      hmm...pretty unbelievable huh?

      Unbelieveable, not anymore, but certainly a bad idea, and running those boost levels is not recommended by anyone that makes turbo kits for 24Vs, unless longevity and reliability isnt important.

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      10-05-2008 06:15 PM #55
      Quote, originally posted by .SLEEPYDUB. »
      never said it was safe...but unbelievable?
      actually its the 1st motor, just rebuilt, thanks to a wonderful machine shop named Alamo in Dallas Texas. All i can say is i will never take it to them again, nor anyone else other than BakBer...
      My car is Precision Intercooled...personally i think not running an intercooler of some sort is redonculous...

      I thought you spun a rod bearing on motor #2? I think you're right as far as the intercooler goes, I've seen enough EIP cars with blown motors.

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      10-05-2008 06:18 PM #56
      Quote, originally posted by Clay @ CTS Turbo »
      I thought you spun a rod bearing on motor #2? I think you're right as far as the intercooler goes, I've seen enough EIP cars with blown motors.

      Im sure youve talked to bakber about this
      spun rod bearing was 1000 miles after i had the motor fully built. After it spun we tried to fix the crank, but to no avail, it failed and spun the rod bearing again. After that happened we just decided to tear it all down and start over. We didnt need to actually ever build the motor the first time, just kinda decided to since i had the money
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      10-05-2008 06:19 PM #57
      Quote, originally posted by .SLEEPYDUB. »
      Im sure youve talked to bakber about this
      spun rod bearing was 1000 miles after i had the motor fully built. After it spun we tried to fix the crank, but to no avail, it failed and spun the rod bearing again. After that happened we just decided to tear it all down and start over. We didnt need to actually ever build the motor the first time, just kinda decided to since i had the money

      I did, and a few other people just bustin your balls boss [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

    8. 10-05-2008 06:26 PM #58
      So why not release the kit under the Kinetic brandname? Why do it through a one-off subsidiary like CTS turbo?

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      10-05-2008 06:30 PM #59
      Quote, originally posted by pOrKcHoP bOy »
      So why not release the kit under the Kinetic brandname? Why do it through a one-off subsidiary like CTS turbo?

      Maybe you should re-read the first post, and this link:
      http://www.ctsturbo.com/catalo....html
      I don't work for Kinetic, I'm a distributor, we distribute various parts, and kits including Kinetic, ATP etc.
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      Well, some people may be interested in the the Kinetic 24V & R32 turbo kits. If you're interested, and have some questions I can provide you with some answers. At this time only Hardware Kits are ready for sale (pricing below). However, at this time Kinetic is not ready to include a software solution...

      McDonalds sells Coke at their stores right? They don't make Coke though... kind of the same thing here

    10. 10-05-2008 06:41 PM #60
      Quote, originally posted by Clay @ CTS Turbo »
      Maybe you should re-read the first post, and this link:
      http://www.ctsturbo.com/catalo....html
      I don't work for Kinetic, I'm a distributor, we distribute various parts, and kits including Kinetic, ATP etc.
      McDonalds sells Coke at their stores right? They don't make Coke though... kind of the same thing here

      Thanks for the Business 101, I think I got that down.
      Again, if you are Kinetic, with your multiple screen names, why not have this on the Kinetic webpage as well?
      I see the other turbo kits on their website, all except the 24v, which Kinetic (or you? ) have announced was already in developlment and one of your test car customers even leaked it out ahead of the typical Kinentic R&D policy of 6-months.
      Or did I answer my own question right there? Basically you guys don't want to incur the liability yet want to capitalize on the 24v turbo market before it fizzles?
      Hence the reason why you wanted to quickly get the hardware out, versus the complete package like previous Kinetic setups?
      Again, let me rephrase my question, why would Kinetic allow you (the distributor) to release a turbo kit w/o software and fueling?

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      10-05-2008 07:03 PM #61
      Quote, originally posted by pOrKcHoP bOy »
      Thanks for the Business 101, I think I got that down.
      Again, if you are Kinetic, with your multiple screen names, why not have this on the Kinetic webpage as well?
      Your Business 101 answer was in the first post of the thread, if you read the thread why ask the question? I'm not Kinetic, however I WAS the sales manager there for 2 years, and I help them on the forums.

      I see the other turbo kits on their website, all except the 24v, which Kinetic (or you? ) have announced was already in developlment and one of your test car customers even leaked it out ahead of the typical Kinentic R&D policy of 6-months.
      Yes, they are on my site not theirs, because they have a limitted sales staff, and they haven't had a chance to take pictures and put the kit up. I received an email from the owner saying that the kits are in production and after placing an order there is a 1 week lead time to ship.

      Or did I answer my own question right there? Basically you guys don't want to incur the liability yet want to capitalize on the 24v turbo market before it fizzles?

      I don't know what liability you're talking about, the kits are in production, if they didnt think the kits would sell they wouldn't build them, business 101 class 2.

      Hence the reason why you wanted to quickly get the hardware out, versus the complete package like previous Kinetic setups?

      Kinetic offers hardware kits for the 1.8T and has done for some months, just like ATP does, whats wrong with having a hardware kit? Why limit yourself to selling a complete kit with software if someone doesn't want to use the software in the kit?

      Again, let me rephrase my question, why would Kinetic allow you (the distributor) to release a turbo kit w/o software and fueling?
      Please see previous reply and business 101 class 2 again

      Hopefully that answers your questions for now

    12. 10-05-2008 07:09 PM #62
      Appreciate the effort you've gone through to really answer these questions.
      I guess I need to go back to school and learn Business 101

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      10-05-2008 07:13 PM #63
      Quote, originally posted by pOrKcHoP bOy »
      Appreciate the effort you've gone through to really answer these questions.
      I guess I need to go back to school and learn Business 101

      Don't worry about going back to school, I can help you out, I've got a degree in Finance, and another one in Accounting, I can help you out. But if you think I'm missing something or if anyone is not sure post up here, or drop me an IM. I'm not trying to hide anything porkchip boy.

    14. 10-05-2008 07:19 PM #64
      Quote, originally posted by Clay @ CTS Turbo »
      Don't worry about going back to school, I can help you out, I've got a degree in Finance, and another one in Accounting,

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      Quote, originally posted by pOrKcHoP bOy »
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      Then you don't need business 101 classes, my appologies [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      10-05-2008 08:18 PM #68
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      10-05-2008 11:10 PM #69
      Quote, originally posted by Clay @ CTS Turbo »
      Kinetic has sold 100s of turbo kits, and they all use these lines. Axles generally don't break at the inplut flange, they brake where the spline goes into your hub.
      If you think having stainless steel braided lines (rubber with braided covering) is going to stop the drain line from being knocked off if your axle breaks at the cup you're mistaken.

      tell that to the 3 axles i broke at that flange using drag radials and nitrous...
      just a reccomendation... im sure most people wont be launching their FWD turbo cars... these kits seem to be more for the 60-roll club...
      im just saying that if i wanted to complicate my broken axle problem with a locked up motor due to no oil, i would proably keep that that way. lol

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      10-06-2008 12:57 AM #70
      Quote, originally posted by Fat Jon »
      tell that to the 3 axles i broke at that flange using drag radials and nitrous...
      just a reccomendation... im sure most people wont be launching their FWD turbo cars... these kits seem to be more for the 60-roll club...
      im just saying that if i wanted to complicate my broken axle problem with a locked up motor due to no oil, i would proably keep that that way. lol

      I have never heard or seen an axle break and knock off an oil drain line in all my years, i'll mention that to the guys at Kinetic though.
      I don't know how far you can drive with no broken axle, people generally shut the car down anyway because it doesnt drive with broken axles. It would take a while for all the oil to drain out too, because where the oil drains into the pan is above the oil level otherwise it wouldn't gravity drain.
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      pricing update coming today

    22. 10-07-2008 08:51 AM #72
      This thread is giving me a headache

      half the people ripping on this product have their own turbo setups already... and seem to have no interest in this product outside of discrediting it.

      Second I think that this Hardware only kit is a great idea, it allows a greater flexibitlity for customers who might not want a generic tune. Go standalone, or have a chip shop custom tune for you. What could be better than that. Half the tuenrs on here complain that c2 offers a blanket tune and they don't like that. Well this is a great opportunity to get a bigger turbo from a reputable company and have it custom tuned.
      Be thankful that someone sees fit to produce a decent kit that has all the hard work done. The BIG things for turbo projects are always the manifolds and turbo location, after that everything is fairly generic, Turbos are almost always outsourced IE Garret, so are injectors, harnesses, WG, BOV , oil lines and etc. Its not like Kinetic made everything from scratch. They developed and made the manifolds, flanges down pipes and the parts for our particular application. the rest they sourced for what would be appropriate for a good product within the space and price requirements. Its that simple. I do not see how this kit can be any less reliable than any other kit on the market. T3 flange aside... this kit should be able to blow to 320+ HP easy, without even working hard.
      finally, I like this business strategy, If anything I think this makes the company more competitive within a NICHE MARKET.

      Finally I hate to break it to everyone but there is no liability on any tuners behalf if they sell you a kit, and you bunk your motor.
      retail is a tricky business although I did LOL at the explanation of mc D's selling coke but not making it. good response.


    23. 10-07-2008 11:34 AM #73
      Thanks guys, new pricing and further details will be up in the next few hours, watch for the edited post with parts listing.

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      10-07-2008 02:38 PM #74
      Quote, originally posted by c0ntract_thrilla »
      This thread is giving me a headache

      half the people ripping on this product have their own turbo setups already... and seem to have no interest in this product outside of discrediting it.

      Second I think that this Hardware only kit is a great idea, it allows a greater flexibitlity for customers who might not want a generic tune. Go standalone, or have a chip shop custom tune for you. What could be better than that. Half the tuenrs on here complain that c2 offers a blanket tune and they don't like that. Well this is a great opportunity to get a bigger turbo from a reputable company and have it custom tuned.
      Be thankful that someone sees fit to produce a decent kit that has all the hard work done. The BIG things for turbo projects are always the manifolds and turbo location, after that everything is fairly generic, Turbos are almost always outsourced IE Garret, so are injectors, harnesses, WG, BOV , oil lines and etc. Its not like Kinetic made everything from scratch. They developed and made the manifolds, flanges down pipes and the parts for our particular application. the rest they sourced for what would be appropriate for a good product within the space and price requirements. Its that simple. I do not see how this kit can be any less reliable than any other kit on the market. T3 flange aside... this kit should be able to blow to 320+ HP easy, without even working hard.
      finally, I like this business strategy, If anything I think this makes the company more competitive within a NICHE MARKET.

      Finally I hate to break it to everyone but there is no liability on any tuners behalf if they sell you a kit, and you bunk your motor.
      retail is a tricky business although I did LOL at the explanation of mc D's selling coke but not making it. good response.

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      10-07-2008 04:00 PM #75
      So for $250 more you get 100 more hp @ 18 PSI.... If anyone gets stage 2 IMO of course your an idiot. Nice looking set up..

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