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      08-31-2011 05:20 PM #106
      So what does the TDI have for TQ and HP??
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      09-02-2011 08:58 AM #107
      James? Someone? Any ideas? Hello? Throw out bearing maybe?
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      09-06-2011 12:37 PM #108
      Bearing maybe, Improper bleeding would most likely be it.

      IIRC the shop installed the disc the wrong way.
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      09-07-2011 05:53 AM #109
      How can improper bleeding cause the flywheel to make that much noise?
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      01-26-2012 02:23 PM #110
      I was referring to the smell, If the clutch disc was slipping.
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      If I have a fedanza l/w f/w and I need a new clutch, what would be the best option here? I'm not going to be putting too much power down, but more than stock. My spec st2 is acting weird.
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      01-27-2012 12:10 PM #112
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      01-27-2012 04:42 PM #113
      Awesome., that's what I was hoping for. Looks like I'll get the Clutchnet one when it's time.
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      03-16-2012 03:54 AM #114
      placed an order over the phone for a stage 1+ kit yesterday cant wait.

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      03-16-2012 01:50 PM #115
      James asked you for your email at the end of your phone order, but you quickly hung up.
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      everything arrived monday and looks great cant wait to install it

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    12. 03-29-2012 03:54 PM #117
      What's the difference between the LUK and Sachs? i mean is it OEM vs aftermarket? and would I be able to tell the difference while driving the car?

      I'm looking to get an 02M 240MM Clutch Kit, just can't decide which..
      Thanks.

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      03-30-2012 03:45 PM #118
      IM sent at 03-30-2012 01:05 P
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    14. 03-31-2012 03:02 PM #119
      Did you not read my post?

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      What's the difference between the LUK and Sachs? i mean is it OEM vs aftermarket? and would I be able to tell the difference while driving the car?

      I'm looking to get an 02M 240MM Clutch Kit, just can't decide which..
      Thanks.

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      04-01-2012 08:14 PM #120
      Yes
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      04-09-2012 09:04 AM #121
      looks like I will be ordering a clutch kit form you guys tonight!! 201k on Orig clutch!!

      is this price right?

      $639.95 Stage 1 Sachs Clutch Kit with 16.5lb flywheel FST Single mass Steel Billet 16.5 pound 240MM flywheel, 240MM OE Sachs Pressure Plate,Sachs Unsprung Disc, 10 flywheel & 6 pressure plate bolts, OE release bearing.

      STAGE 1 KIT

      once you click the link it says $674.95.. all the others do not change when the link is clicked...

      do you guys have timing chain kits as well??
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      04-09-2012 06:48 PM #122
      Yes the link showed the ancient price and our website has the current price.

      Thank you for bring it to my attention.

      Chain kits are in stock.

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      Ordered my clutch kit today with lightened steel flywheel!!
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      04-25-2012 02:46 PM #124
      A few days in on my Stage 1 kit...
      Have to say its like driving a whole different car.. asides from the chatter that I have to get used to.. a new flywheel really solved a ton of issues and sounds I been hearing and feeling!
      My dual mass was pretty much toasted.. the bearing was @ least.. Even the original slave was pretty much seized up! Original clutch with 202K looks just as meaty as the new clutch I got.. lol

      but I love it! car feels free!!
      I guess I hear chatter out of 1st low in the RPM range, I would say it chatters till about 1800rpms or so...
      still haven’t really got on it yet, trying to give it the proper break in!! have about 300miles on it...
      Need to power bleed the system to try to get the clutch pedal a little stiffer...
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      05-07-2012 12:49 PM #125
      UPDATE
      Power bleed and it feels a lot better.. not as much chatter @ idle now... most likely wasnt even chatter, more like air in the slave.. but that sound is gone now..

      although does the clutch chatter more through out the whole RPM band? Mine seems to...
      I dont care really, it hooks up nicely and sounds pretty mean...
      but is this chatter accurate??
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      09-21-2012 02:41 PM #126
      All 02M single mass flywheels will make some sort of clatter or rattle noise at idle, push in the clutch pedal and the noise goes away.
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      09-22-2012 02:31 PM #127
      if i decide to move up to a stronger pressure plate eventually, will the clutchnet disc that comes with the st1+ be able to handle more power?

    23. 01-15-2013 07:23 AM #128
      I'm looking for a clutch and flywheel for a 3.2 24v that can handle around 700hp -800hp

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      Thanx btw for the Stage 2 Clutch setup with the lightened flywheel. Impressions next week. . . .

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      06-12-2014 08:49 PM #130
      which is the cheap clutch you have to fit 4motion 6 speed? engine code AUE
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      06-13-2014 12:18 PM #131
      Quote Originally Posted by bl33su View Post
      which is the cheap clutch you have to fit 4motion 6 speed? engine code AUE
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      06-13-2014 09:16 PM #132
      reading about people worrying about the chatter makes me at easy, and to bring you guys further to ease, I put it on 40,000 miles ago....still makes chatter but she still grabs and takes off....no known issues cause from the light weight fly wheel or clutch. Tho every garage I go to tries to tell me its something with the slave or throw out barring.

      I really do want to know what the chatter is exactly caused by though.

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      06-16-2014 03:47 PM #133
      Quote Originally Posted by cstof12 View Post
      reading about people worrying about the chatter makes me at easy, and to bring you guys further to ease, I put it on 40,000 miles ago....still makes chatter but she still grabs and takes off....no known issues cause from the light weight fly wheel or clutch. Tho every garage I go to tries to tell me its something with the slave or throw out barring.

      I really do want to know what the chatter is exactly caused by though.
      Google Self Study Programme 205 or SSP_205.pdf where you'll read about the design of the 02M trans.
      Keep in mind this SSP is written with respect to the early production 02M that has tapered bearings.
      The basic trans design is the same, only that VW is using roller bearings with plastic cages for late model versions.

      You can also Google 02M trans and find videos showing main shaft play, or links to sites discussing the main shaft bearing race issue and someones cheap fix.

      Since each gear rides on a needle bearing when not in use, the rotation of the shaft allows the gear to spin freely unless the sliding sleeve/synchromesh body is engaged.

      I just checked an 02Q trans on our work bench, each sliding gear makes a different noise when spun, some have a higher pitch sound where others are lower.

      The noise is due to the sychro rotating and coming to a rest on the sliding sleeve, the gear will still continue to spin thou.

      A dual mass flywheel masks these noises, but a single mass flywheel brings them to light. Every trans is different and between identical models will have different sounds with the clutch depressed or in neutral.
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    31. 08-05-2014 07:15 PM #136
      That was very good to read. By your theory, does this chatter (caused by the synchro rotating) cause damage?

      Thanks,

      Quote Originally Posted by FourSeasonTuning.com View Post
      Google Self Study Programme 205 or SSP_205.pdf where you'll read about the design of the 02M trans.
      Keep in mind this SSP is written with respect to the early production 02M that has tapered bearings.
      The basic trans design is the same, only that VW is using roller bearings with plastic cages for late model versions.

      You can also Google 02M trans and find videos showing main shaft play, or links to sites discussing the main shaft bearing race issue and someones cheap fix.

      Since each gear rides on a needle bearing when not in use, the rotation of the shaft allows the gear to spin freely unless the sliding sleeve/synchromesh body is engaged.

      I just checked an 02Q trans on our work bench, each sliding gear makes a different noise when spun, some have a higher pitch sound where others are lower.

      The noise is due to the sychro rotating and coming to a rest on the sliding sleeve, the gear will still continue to spin thou.

      A dual mass flywheel masks these noises, but a single mass flywheel brings them to light. Every trans is different and between identical models will have different sounds with the clutch depressed or in neutral.

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      08-05-2014 08:28 PM #137
      Chatter/ clatter is a result of a main shaft with excessive play.

      I haven't seen any damaged as a direct result of the spinning gears, unless the gears touch a neighboring stack.
      This causes clutch creep where the vehicle moves forward with the clutch pedal pressed firmly on the floor.

      The damage we see are worn main shaft bearings, and its spinning bearing race.
      If the spinning race is caught in time, and addressed by any number of cheap fixes, it will save you big time.
      If caught late, you are looking at a replacement case, plus shimming every gear stack and diff.

      The other issue with the 02M trans is brass shift forks using roll pins.
      Weak design, but the replacement steel version are just DSG forks.

      This trans is janky by design, so don't expect it to hold up long without routine maintenance.
      Become friends with your trans guy or learn to service it yourself (basic tools and mechanical knowledge and a service manual required).
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    33. 08-05-2014 11:44 PM #138
      That is very informational. Thank you.
      When you mentioned main shaft play, do you refer to the two output shafts in lieu of input shaft?
      I have the bentley manual for the car but it has no information regarding the inside of the transmission. Would you like to recommend a manual for the transmission?
      Thanks again for your help. I am set to purchase clutch kit from you when I am ready to reassemble and install.

      Quote Originally Posted by FourSeasonTuning.com View Post
      Chatter/ clatter is a result of a main shaft with excessive play.

      I haven't seen any damaged as a direct result of the spinning gears, unless the gears touch a neighboring stack.
      This causes clutch creep where the vehicle moves forward with the clutch pedal pressed firmly on the floor.

      The damage we see are worn main shaft bearings, and its spinning bearing race.
      If the spinning race is caught in time, and addressed by any number of cheap fixes, it will save you big time.
      If caught late, you are looking at a replacement case, plus shimming every gear stack and diff.

      The other issue with the 02M trans is brass shift forks using roll pins.
      Weak design, but the replacement steel version are just DSG forks.

      This trans is janky by design, so don't expect it to hold up long without routine maintenance.
      Become friends with your trans guy or learn to service it yourself (basic tools and mechanical knowledge and a service manual required).

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      08-06-2014 04:35 PM #140
      Mainshaft is input shaft.

      Zelek has a manual but its on back order.

      You can also google Volkswagen Workshop Manuals and see if one pops up.

      Or you can get straight from the source at Erwin.
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      Mitchell on Demand and All Data would have it too, they are a subscription service, these are suited for repair shops.
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