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    Thread: 02M Steel Billet Flywheels, Sachs & Clutchnet Clutch Kits -Free Ground Lower 48

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      09-21-2012 02:41 PM #126
      All 02M single mass flywheels will make some sort of clatter or rattle noise at idle, push in the clutch pedal and the noise goes away.
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      09-22-2012 02:31 PM #127
      if i decide to move up to a stronger pressure plate eventually, will the clutchnet disc that comes with the st1+ be able to handle more power?

    3. 01-15-2013 07:23 AM #128
      I'm looking for a clutch and flywheel for a 3.2 24v that can handle around 700hp -800hp

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      02-12-2013 06:05 PM #129
      Thanx btw for the Stage 2 Clutch setup with the lightened flywheel. Impressions next week. . . .

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      06-12-2014 08:49 PM #130
      which is the cheap clutch you have to fit 4motion 6 speed? engine code AUE
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      06-13-2014 12:18 PM #131
      Quote Originally Posted by bl33su View Post
      which is the cheap clutch you have to fit 4motion 6 speed? engine code AUE
      I would suggest you contact James via the shop email to discuss your exact needs.
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      06-13-2014 09:16 PM #132
      reading about people worrying about the chatter makes me at easy, and to bring you guys further to ease, I put it on 40,000 miles ago....still makes chatter but she still grabs and takes off....no known issues cause from the light weight fly wheel or clutch. Tho every garage I go to tries to tell me its something with the slave or throw out barring.

      I really do want to know what the chatter is exactly caused by though.

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      06-16-2014 03:47 PM #133
      Quote Originally Posted by cstof12 View Post
      reading about people worrying about the chatter makes me at easy, and to bring you guys further to ease, I put it on 40,000 miles ago....still makes chatter but she still grabs and takes off....no known issues cause from the light weight fly wheel or clutch. Tho every garage I go to tries to tell me its something with the slave or throw out barring.

      I really do want to know what the chatter is exactly caused by though.
      Google Self Study Programme 205 or SSP_205.pdf where you'll read about the design of the 02M trans.
      Keep in mind this SSP is written with respect to the early production 02M that has tapered bearings.
      The basic trans design is the same, only that VW is using roller bearings with plastic cages for late model versions.

      You can also Google 02M trans and find videos showing main shaft play, or links to sites discussing the main shaft bearing race issue and someones cheap fix.

      Since each gear rides on a needle bearing when not in use, the rotation of the shaft allows the gear to spin freely unless the sliding sleeve/synchromesh body is engaged.

      I just checked an 02Q trans on our work bench, each sliding gear makes a different noise when spun, some have a higher pitch sound where others are lower.

      The noise is due to the sychro rotating and coming to a rest on the sliding sleeve, the gear will still continue to spin thou.

      A dual mass flywheel masks these noises, but a single mass flywheel brings them to light. Every trans is different and between identical models will have different sounds with the clutch depressed or in neutral.
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    11. 08-05-2014 07:15 PM #136
      That was very good to read. By your theory, does this chatter (caused by the synchro rotating) cause damage?

      Thanks,

      Quote Originally Posted by FourSeasonTuning.com View Post
      Google Self Study Programme 205 or SSP_205.pdf where you'll read about the design of the 02M trans.
      Keep in mind this SSP is written with respect to the early production 02M that has tapered bearings.
      The basic trans design is the same, only that VW is using roller bearings with plastic cages for late model versions.

      You can also Google 02M trans and find videos showing main shaft play, or links to sites discussing the main shaft bearing race issue and someones cheap fix.

      Since each gear rides on a needle bearing when not in use, the rotation of the shaft allows the gear to spin freely unless the sliding sleeve/synchromesh body is engaged.

      I just checked an 02Q trans on our work bench, each sliding gear makes a different noise when spun, some have a higher pitch sound where others are lower.

      The noise is due to the sychro rotating and coming to a rest on the sliding sleeve, the gear will still continue to spin thou.

      A dual mass flywheel masks these noises, but a single mass flywheel brings them to light. Every trans is different and between identical models will have different sounds with the clutch depressed or in neutral.

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      08-05-2014 08:28 PM #137
      Chatter/ clatter is a result of a main shaft with excessive play.

      I haven't seen any damaged as a direct result of the spinning gears, unless the gears touch a neighboring stack.
      This causes clutch creep where the vehicle moves forward with the clutch pedal pressed firmly on the floor.

      The damage we see are worn main shaft bearings, and its spinning bearing race.
      If the spinning race is caught in time, and addressed by any number of cheap fixes, it will save you big time.
      If caught late, you are looking at a replacement case, plus shimming every gear stack and diff.

      The other issue with the 02M trans is brass shift forks using roll pins.
      Weak design, but the replacement steel version are just DSG forks.

      This trans is janky by design, so don't expect it to hold up long without routine maintenance.
      Become friends with your trans guy or learn to service it yourself (basic tools and mechanical knowledge and a service manual required).
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    13. 08-05-2014 11:44 PM #138
      That is very informational. Thank you.
      When you mentioned main shaft play, do you refer to the two output shafts in lieu of input shaft?
      I have the bentley manual for the car but it has no information regarding the inside of the transmission. Would you like to recommend a manual for the transmission?
      Thanks again for your help. I am set to purchase clutch kit from you when I am ready to reassemble and install.

      Quote Originally Posted by FourSeasonTuning.com View Post
      Chatter/ clatter is a result of a main shaft with excessive play.

      I haven't seen any damaged as a direct result of the spinning gears, unless the gears touch a neighboring stack.
      This causes clutch creep where the vehicle moves forward with the clutch pedal pressed firmly on the floor.

      The damage we see are worn main shaft bearings, and its spinning bearing race.
      If the spinning race is caught in time, and addressed by any number of cheap fixes, it will save you big time.
      If caught late, you are looking at a replacement case, plus shimming every gear stack and diff.

      The other issue with the 02M trans is brass shift forks using roll pins.
      Weak design, but the replacement steel version are just DSG forks.

      This trans is janky by design, so don't expect it to hold up long without routine maintenance.
      Become friends with your trans guy or learn to service it yourself (basic tools and mechanical knowledge and a service manual required).

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      08-06-2014 03:03 PM #139
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      08-06-2014 04:35 PM #140
      Mainshaft is input shaft.

      Zelek has a manual but its on back order.

      You can also google Volkswagen Workshop Manuals and see if one pops up.

      Or you can get straight from the source at Erwin.
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      Mitchell on Demand and All Data would have it too, they are a subscription service, these are suited for repair shops.
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      09-08-2014 12:06 PM #141
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      02-28-2015 08:48 PM #144
      I currently have a clutchmasters stage 1 with FST 20LBS flywheel. I think I made mistake by buying a unsprung clutch. I'm going to do the chains on the car pretty soon, what equivalent sprung clutch disk would you recommand if I decide to replace it ?
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