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    Thread: Volkswagen BlueSport Concept - KaChow!

    1. Member MKV.RABBIT's Avatar
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      01-13-2009 08:05 AM #126
      Quote, originally posted by jamie@vwvortex »

      I'm not really into convertibles but this one is pretty cool. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      I hope VWOA continues to expand their diesel line up...

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      01-13-2009 08:17 AM #127
      your Ghia is sooo hot. Now thats an idea.
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    3. 01-13-2009 08:22 AM #128
      Quote, originally posted by feels_road »
      If you read the press release, the concept comes with either the Diesel or the (twin-charged) 1.4TSI. Those, BTW, are the two engines most recent VWs have been released with, which indicates that this car is very close to production.

      Both engines are gutless. I'd honestly take the TDI over the twincharged over-hyped under-powered gas engine.
      With a platform like this - they are a 3.2L or 2.0T away from having a TRULY memorable sports car. Of course - they've got to ruin it somehow.
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    4. 01-13-2009 09:36 AM #129
      If VW actually builds this and brings it to the US, and if they offer it with a choice of the TDI or 2.0T with a manual transmission standard and DSG optional for both engines, I don't see how they wouldn't become the market leader in that segment. That's a very good looking roadster.

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      01-13-2009 10:53 AM #130
      *yawn*
      Call me when it goes into production... my luck it will be DSG only.
      I am still waiting for this:



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    6. 01-13-2009 11:21 AM #131
      I have been drooling over this car since 2003. Here's my take on it....

      As far as I'm concerned, it sounds like a winning formula, although I would love it to have a 6-speed manual as well. Why is everyone so crazy for F1 paddles?

    7. 01-13-2009 12:02 PM #132
      it looks like a combination of a few different cars, but i like it a lot, and if they build it, you know it will sell like hot cakes!
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      not a fan of that gear shift area tho....

    8. 01-13-2009 02:13 PM #133
      Quote, originally posted by DarkNight24 »
      If they make it..... we will buy

      That's funny, because we haven't though. I realize that VW has made a couple of missteps in bringing special cars to the US (R32), and in going from concept to reality(Concept R to EOS ), but overall, even when things are essentially delivered as promised, we don't buy. Case in point is the TDI Sportwagen. The Vortex has been going nuts over the new TDIs, with wagon and 4motion and even GLI trims being mentioned as desireable, and yet even the most basic model of the "most desireable car on Vortex" is getting sold two and three times before they finally go home. The reason is that people keep backing out of deals.
      Americans not buying is the reason they keep watering things down for a more general audience. That's the reason the new Jetta will be somewhere between a Taurus and a Corolla. That's the reason they make the rabbit in only two flavors (every lot car is equipped one of two ways, depending on the number of doors). VW seems to be going out of its way to distance itself from the Vortex community of enthusiasts with its options lists, but if you take a good look at their sales-year to year-they are doing exactly the right thing. VW has suffered much less than Honda, Toyota, or the Big Three in the last two years.
      You have a limited pool of qualified buyers maybe 30% of your walk ins at a dealership could get a down payment and do a lease or a no-strings loan, and another 10-15% of your walk ins can get a car with stips, but that leaves most of your "interested people" as unqualified to purchase the car they are interested in. You take a specialty vehicle demand, and then take into account the cross section of people who swear they will buy one and aren't qualified...and you have an easy business decision.

    9. 01-13-2009 02:23 PM #134
      Quote, originally posted by curvedinfinity »
      http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/S...ooped/
      Car has said VW was shooting for 20k GBP. The R32 is 25k GBP in the UK, so 20k GBP translates to something like $25k.

      You can't figure it that way, costs taxes and tariffs are completely different, trim is different, shipping costs are different, I realize this is a parallel case, but the math doesn't work out.
      This car might start around $32,000 in the US, but I would bet money on a $35000 trim, and a $42,000 trim, with about $1800 in available options for both. Within four years, good luck getting one below $40,000 (just like the TT)

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      01-13-2009 02:35 PM #135
      I have heard that the dealers can get enough tdi sportwagens. Like the production isnt high enough? Sales reps have said that they have to sell what they have or can get. Your options are limited by supply.
      People may want them, but they want them as they choose, not just what may or may not be available from the lot/next shipment.
      "yes, for $28k we've got it in the blue you dont like w/ the ugly rims and sorry, no sunroof, still want it? its a tdi & your lucky enough to have it", "oh, its gonna be sticker too, cause thats all there is, someone else will take it"
      - this sales/dealer metality makes buyer choose other models/gas that may be closer to their own spec list.
      VW has already simplified the 'value option/packages' to the point where you either dont get what you want, or you pay extra for something you dont want thats 'bundled in'
      Mini has the right idea. Give em options, even dealer options.

      anyhow, This is nice. I like the coupe all around but think ka 6spd is necessary to compete in the class(or corner it as a cute 'girls car' like the EOS.
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      01-13-2009 03:14 PM #136
      Quote, originally posted by NeoAtreides »
      That's funny, because we haven't though. I realize that VW has made a couple of missteps in bringing special cars to the US (R32), and in going from concept to reality(Concept R to EOS ),

      The Concept R did not become the Eos; the Eos was built off of the Concept C, and followed it pretty closely from concept to reality. As for the mark 5 R32 (I assume you are talking about that one) those who have them seem pretty happy with them on the whole - I am. If you are talking about sales, there are only about 150 or so left, out of 5000, so while the pace of sales hasn't been what the Mark 4's was, it has been OK. Certainly the reality hasn't been consistent with the popular misconception on the Vortex that they are somehow languishing on dealer lots - they are certainly scarce around here. Sales have actually been pretty good considering that we hadn't had any previous generations of 'R' to satisfy enthusiasts appetites when that first one arrived, something the mark 5 didn't benefit from. Perhaps more importantly, we weren't in a staggering economic crisis when the mark 4 arrived. Car sales across the board have been nosediving steadily since 2007, through 08.

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      01-13-2009 05:55 PM #137
      Quote, originally posted by jaegervw2 »
      YES! Now, put that drive-line setup and front fenders and a fastback on the Scirocco and you'd have the perfect car :-P
      I love this as is though, now the big question as a;ways, will they build it, will it come here and
      when can I buy it, because I'm NOT buying a Routan!!!!!!!!!


      I'm thread jacking and getting that out of the way right now...
      What's up with this Scirocco? Is that a photoshop or a legit "car"? It looks pretty real. That's what the 'Rocco should have really looked like instead of some half-azzed Golf/GTI hack job with better styling.
      OK...BACK OT-- This little BlueSport CONCEPT is just another VAG cack tease. IT WON'T SEE PRODUCTION and IF it does happen to see production IT WON'T BE SOLD IN N.A. Typical VAG tease...YET AGAIN.
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      01-13-2009 06:05 PM #138
      above is a chop of a real Scirocco. Yes, I agree as do most, the chop is 10x better than production.
      bit i'm no Chip Foose so production may have to do
      OT- VW please dont dumb down the BlueSport. Expand the TDI Cup & start a new class [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

      Luvin the Ghia drawings. totally sick and the 'right retro' for VW
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    14. 01-13-2009 06:17 PM #139
      [QUOTE=boraIV333]I'll be the FIRST in line at my local VW dealership if and when VW starts to make INTERESTING cars again!!!!!
      They LOST me right after discontinuing my Corrado.....the EOS is laughable and much classified as the "Chick car" replacement to the Beetle Convertible
      I don't need an R32 that looks like my neighour's rabbit with a body kit and big wheels

      VW of America.....PLEASE BRING THIS THING (HALO CAR) NOWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!
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      x2 [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] Minus the Eos comment, I actually would like one with better wheels, tinted tails, a body kit and spoiler. a la highway 1 concept.

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      01-13-2009 06:21 PM #140
      Quote, originally posted by mr_e1974 »
      OK...BACK OT-- This little BlueSport CONCEPT is just another VAG cack tease. IT WON'T SEE PRODUCTION and IF it does happen to see production IT WON'T BE SOLD IN N.A. Typical VAG tease...YET AGAIN.

      So true brother so true... all i have to say when this happens is damn it im moving to Europe where the KEWL cars are

    16. 01-13-2009 06:41 PM #141
      yup..VW should stop spending money on various concepts and start making actual cars we can drive. I really see no point in them revealing so called concepts that look amazing to us when they know they are 4+ years from even becoming actual production cars, and if they ever do produce them, theyll look nothing like theyre presenting to us now.

    17. 01-13-2009 07:03 PM #142
      To be fair...
      Concepts/Prototypes are generally rather cheap to make. For the 2nd or 3rd largest car company in the world, making some neat roadster concepts isn't exactly killing the budget. As for the 4-year release...VW has slowly been getting better with this, with an aim for quicker turnaround etc.
      If anything would get people into the showroom to look at VW's - it would be something like this. PS: The rocco chop is absolutely stunning...I would buy that as well. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      We can all keep hoping, but with the struggling dollar, economic downturn etc - its a tall order for a "niche" product to come stateside. UNLESS they figure they could produce it at their new plant coming into the south.
      Here's hopin' the roadster fits a person who's 6'2".

    18. 01-13-2009 07:05 PM #143
      i want one-!

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      01-13-2009 07:09 PM #144
      Thats one ugly car.
      Its a Porsche 911, Honda S2000, Saturn Sky, Audi TT, and Mazda 6 all rolled into one pile of crap. I dont know if I just never really paid to much attention to Volkswagens concepts, but they seem to make very unattractive (cosmetically) cars.
      As far as technology, its amazing, but asthetics....come on Porsche.

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      01-13-2009 07:23 PM #145
      Quote, originally posted by MeiK »
      Both engines are gutless. I'd honestly take the TDI over the twincharged over-hyped under-powered gas engine.

      Certainly not "gutless" over what you drive, or over what is standard in this segment (MX5-Miata, S2000). A 180hp version of the 1.4 TSI has more torque than the S2000 everywhere below 6000rpm; at 2,400lbs, it also has an acceptable power/weight ratio (0.075 - which again is better than the S2000 below 6000rpm; at its 8000rpm peak, the S2000 has ~0.085). And it simply blows away the heavier, under-engined Miata.

      Quote, originally posted by MeiK »
      With a platform like this - they are a 3.2L or 2.0T away from having a TRULY memorable sports car. Of course - they've got to ruin it somehow.

      No 3.2, but all sporty VWs get the 2.0T, eventually. They are just not initially released with the strongest engine of the line-up.
      Remember that these type of cars are mostly about handling and effortless power delivery. But I agree, with the 2.0T engine it would be faster than the golden standard, the S2000, everywhere, while using about 30% to 40% less gas, at the same time...


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      01-13-2009 07:33 PM #146
      Quote, originally posted by NeoAtreides »
      This car might start around $32,000 in the US, but I would bet money on a $35000 trim, and a $42,000 trim, with about $1800 in available options for both. Within four years, good luck getting one below $40,000 (just like the TT)

      Not with the inexpensive TSI engine and manual transmission. As others have said, it needs to be significantly less expensive than base Audis and Porsches, but it also needs to fit into the competitors' range.
      So, the base engine versions, including a range of options, need to fit into the $20K to $30K of the MX5/Miata and the $25K -$35K of the Solstice.
      A 2.0T version would compete against the $35K to $40K S2000.
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      01-13-2009 07:46 PM #147
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      Nice, but I think I still prefer this one:
      ...insert pic of Concept R...

      I'll agree. As nice as the BluSport looks, I think the Concept.:R should be the current hot, go-to VW drop top (sorry EOS). The Concept.:R had the right looks, the right stance, and the right power plants to propel it down the road in a sporting fashion.
      I'm not against the BluSport by any means, I just think VW should already have a 2-door sport coupe in production and the BluSport can be the next gen Concept.:R.
      VAG or VWoA, please put this car into production. Get with program, regardless of what Porsche has to say. I want a Permagrin from a VW.
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    23. 01-13-2009 08:04 PM #148
      Quote, originally posted by LMHConcepts &raquo;
      Thats one ugly car.
      Its a Porsche 911, Honda S2000, Saturn Sky, Audi TT, and Mazda 6 all rolled into one pile of crap. I dont know if I just never really paid to much attention to Volkswagens concepts, but they seem to make very unattractive (cosmetically) cars.
      As far as technology, its amazing, but asthetics....come on Porsche.

      [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthdown.gif[/IMG] I think you're basically in the dark when it comes to the ugly comment. Most people would consider this a pretty good looking car. I, for one, think it is a really clean design that thoroughly comes on top when you look at the competition.

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      01-13-2009 08:18 PM #149
      Very nice! I dont understand why VW thinks they need to introduce another convert? At least give the EOS a chance to make it or not. I wonder if they are sharing platforms with the boxster, it would only make sense. What ever happened to the Peoples Car?

    25. 01-13-2009 08:42 PM #150
      Dear VW,
      My Jetta's lease is up in Feb 2010. I'm looking for something to hang on to after that. Please have it ready by then. Oh, and please bring it to Canada too.

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