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    Thread: New Product Development 2.5L L/W Single Mass Flywheel and Clutch kits , Shipped Ground Lower 48

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      Flywheel and Kits Below

      FST 228MM L/W Single Mass Steel Billet Flywheel Includes Ring Gear $324.95 Shipped Ground

      FST 228MM L/W Single Mass Steel Billet Flywheel Without Ring Gear $309.95 Shipped Ground

      FST 228MM L/W Single Mass Alloy Flywheel Includes Ring Gear $389.95 Shipped Ground
      FST 228MM L/W Single Mass Alloy Flywheel Without Ring Gear $369.95 Shipped Ground



      FST 228MM L/W Single Mass Alloy Flywheel W/ Sachs VR6 Clutch Kit $559.95 Shipped Ground

      FST 228MM L/W Single Mass Steel Billet Flywheel W/ Sachs VR6 Clutch Kit $499.95 Shipped Ground


      FST 228MM L/W Single Mass Alloy Flywheel W/ Clutchnet Stage 2 VR6 Clutch Kit $749.95 Shipped Ground

      FST 228MM L/W Single Mass Steel Billet Flywheel W/ Clutchnet Stage 2 VR6 Clutch Kit $679.95 Shipped Ground


      FST 228MM L/W Single Mass Alloy Flywheel W/ Clutchnet Stage 3 VR6 Clutch Kit $759.95 Shipped Ground

      FST 228MM L/W Single Mass Steel Billet Flywheel W/ Clutchnet Stage 3 VR6 Clutch Kit $694.95 Shipped Ground

      OEM 2.5 Dual Mass Flywheel W/ Ring Gear 22.7 LBS
      OEM Clutch Disc & Pressure Plate 10.1 LBS
      Total Weight 32.8 LBS

      FST Alloy Single Mass Flywheel/ Ring Gear 10.0 LBS
      Sachs VR6 Clutch Disc & Pressure Plate 13.1 LBS
      Total Weight 23.1 LBS
      Total Overall Weight Reduction 9.7 LBS W/ Alloy FW

      FST Steel Billet Single Mass Flywheel/ Ring Gear 14.0 LBS
      Sachs VR6 Clutch Disc & Pressure Plate 13.1 LBS
      Total Weight 23.1 LBS
      Total Overall Weight Reduction 5.7 LBS W/ Steel

      By using a heavier Clutch Disc & Pressure Plate this will add 3 more
      pounds to the Alloy flywheel (as compared to the OEM 2.5 Clutch Disc &
      Pressure Plate ) making it feel like a 13 pound flywheel. This overall
      weight reduction is 9.7 pounds. A steel version could be made if the
      alloy one ends up being too light and or a heavier version is wanted.

      Here are some examples of other weights of OEM Flywheels (Engines of
      similar power)

      All OEM Single Mass Cast VR6 12V flywheels are 17.75 pounds w/ ring gear.
      Many users have switched to a L/W Steel Billet Flywheel that weighs in at 11.75 w/ ring gear fitted.
      Also available are slightly heavier Cast steel Single Mass w/ ring gear at 13.80 pounds ( still lighter than stock).

      MK4 1.8T W/ 5 speed users are changing the OEM DM 22 pound flywheel
      and converting to A Single Mass as well.
      Again using the same weight as a 12V VR6 single mass steel billet
      flywheel that weighs in at 11.75 w/ ring gear fitted.Also available
      are slightly heavier Cast steel Single Mass w/ ring gear at 14
      pounds.Both of the these flywheels were created in the aftermarket as a
      performance part designed for the Corrado G60 and are using the very
      proven Sachs VR6 clutch kit ( this Sachs kit is rated to 250-275
      Torque and takes more)

      1.8T & 2.8 24V VR6 W/ 6 speed 02M 6 speed users are changing the OEM DM
      26.5 pound flywheel to A Single Mass type as well. 16.5 single mass
      steel billet w/ ring gear this takes 10 pounds off and does not chatter.

      Clutch Kits without Flywheel

      2.5L Stage 1 Clutch Kit $179.99 Shipped Ground ( Includes 228MM Sachs Pressure Plate, Sachs Sprung Hub Disc,Sachs T/O bearing. Rated at 275 TQ at flywheel.Must be used with FST228-2.5AFW.

      2.5L Stage 1 Clutch Kit


      2.5L Stage 2 Clutch Kit $359.99 Shipped Ground ( Includes 228MM Clutchnet Yellow Pressure Plate, Clutchnet Disc w/ Steel covered 6 spring Hub,Sachs T/O bearing and alignment tool. Rated at 375 TQ at flywheel.Must be used with FST228-2.5AFW.

      2.5L Stage 2 Clutch Kit

      2.5L Stage 3 Clutch Kit $375.00 Shipped Ground ( Includes 228MM Clutchnet Red Pressure Plate, Clutchnet Disc w/ Steel covered 6 spring Hub, Sachs T/O bearing and alignment tool. Rated at 445 TQ at flywheel. Must be used with FST228-2.5AFW.

      2.5LStage 3 Clutch Kit

      2.5L Stage 2X Kevlar Clutch Kit $445.00 Shipped Ground ( Includes 228MM Clutchnet Red Pressure Plate,Kevlar Clutchnet Disc w/ Steel covered 6 spring Hub, Sachs T/O bearing and alignment tool. Rated at 400 TQ at flywheel. Must be used with FST228-2.5AFW.

      2.5L Stage 2X Clutch Kit

      2.5L Stage 2X Fiber Carbon Clutch Kit $445.00 Shipped Ground ( Includes 228MM Clutchnet Red Pressure Plate,Fiber Carbon Clutchnet Disc w/ Steel covered 6 spring Hub, Sachs T/O bearing and alignment tool. Rated at 400 TQ at flywheel. Must be used with FST228-2.5AFW.

      2.5L Stage 2X Clutch Kit


      Install photos and sound clips below. Test Fitted and driven Friday and Saturday.

      To my knowledge this is the First kit using these parts. I have only seen a box from SB ( no contents or description known) Also heard about another flywheel from BS again have not seen contents or know description of it).

      There was a very slight noticeable chatter at idle with clutch pedal out. this noise is no where near as loud a the 9 lb alloy flywheel on a 02m 6 speed. Sounds clips might not pick it up ( recorded on a basic canon digital camera) this will be uploaded later today.


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    2. 01-18-2009 06:26 PM #2
      for another company getting involved in our 2.5L's

    3. 01-18-2009 08:23 PM #3
      Any chance this flywheel will work with a 02J/A swap? Guess the only thing to look out for is the starter configuration. How many teeth are on the ring gear... same as 02J/A? Good work guys!

    4. 01-18-2009 10:05 PM #4
      is the kit that cost $559 the stage one clutch that is rated at 275 fwtq?

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      Thanks for the bump.

      Can count the ring gear teeth on Monday. As far as an 02A/02J swap, The height of the ring gear and the overall stack height on the 2.5L is much different than the 12V VR6 / G60 flywheel and clutch setups. I would try the the single mass set up like this
      http://www.fourseasontuning.com/?product=101 as it works with the 02A/02J for sure.

      The general rule of thumb has been use the flywheel/clutch kit/ starter that was designed to work with the transmission code regardless of the engine. Most VAG flywheel's have been 6, 8 and 10 hole at the Crank flange. For example the step and stack height are the same on the 02A /02J. The 6 hole flange is used on the 4 cyl and the 10 hole on the VR6. Same goes for the 02M six speed stuff the 1.8T and 2.8 24V VR6 are the same setups except for the amount of holes in crank.

      The 2.5 5 speed is very similar to the 02J.

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    8. 01-19-2009 10:04 AM #8
      I am confused with this flywheel stuff..

      Dual mass flywheel= externally balanced engine?
      Single mass flywheel = Internally balanced engine?

      So some years have an externally and internally balanced engine?


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      The dual-mass flywheels absorb engine vibrations before they are transmitted to the driveline where they can create gear rattle. The unit is split into two sections: a primary section that bolts to the crankshaft, and a secondary section, onto which the clutch is bolted. The primary section dampens, isolates engine vibrations.

      VW has be building internally balanced engines. High CI V8 are often externally balanced engines.

      If you're rebuilding an engine that is internally balanced, the flywheel and damper have no effect on engine balance and can be balanced separately. But with externally balanced engines, the flywheel and damper must be mounted on the crank prior to balancing.

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    10. 01-19-2009 06:10 PM #10
      Quote, originally posted by FourSeasonTuning.com »
      Thanks for the bump.

      Can count the ring gear teeth on Monday. As far as an 02A/02J swap, The height of the ring gear and the overall stack height on the 2.5L is much different than the 12V VR6 / G60 flywheel and clutch setups. I would try the the single mass set up like this
      http://www.fourseasontuning.com/?product=101 as it works with the 02A/02J for sure....

      The general rule of thumb has been use the flywheel/clutch kit/ starter that was designed to work with the transmission code regardless of the engine. Most VAG flywheel's have been 6, 8 and 10 hole at the Crank flange. For example the step and stack height are the same on the 02A /02J. The 6 hole flange is used on the 4 cyl and the 10 hole on the VR6. Same goes for the 02M six speed stuff the 1.8T and 2.8 24V VR6 are the same setups except for the amount of holes in crank.

      The 2.5 5 speed is very similar to the 02J.


      Guess I should have stated some more info. I`m planning to mate a 02A trans to my 2.5L motor (which is going into a MK3) I`m aware of the flywheel/crank bolt patterns. Just wondering if a 2.5L clutch kit will be needed to complete this conversion. Guess I`ll just bolt it up and see what I come up with.


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      I would use the G60 flywheel and VR6 clutch as it works with the 02J. Compare the height off the crank flange and flywheel ring gear position.
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      02-12-2009 10:20 AM #12
      It is good to see a flywheel available

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    14. 04-05-2009 07:31 AM #14
      just bought this kit yesterday.. hopefully its not too good to be true

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      Awesome this will have to be one of my next mods

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    17. 04-06-2009 02:46 PM #17
      quick question.. are those included bolts for the flywheel or for mounting the pressure plate

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    19. 04-06-2009 10:45 PM #19
      sweet.. one less stop, btw are the bell housing bolts triple sqaure?

      i plan on doing a writeup for the install


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    20. 04-10-2009 11:44 AM #20
      From this I gather that the vR6 clutch will work with the OEM tranny in a 2.5L MKV...if that's correct....do you have torque ratings from Sachs for the Vr6 clutch vs the OEM MKV 2.5 clutch?...Thanks!
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      Not sure if LUK has released the numbers on the 2.5 kit. The Sachs kit has been widely advertised at 275 Torque (many turbo VR6 users are taking the stock Sachs beyond that ).
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      Changing from a DMF to a solid damper would effect the torsional vibration levels of the crankshaft resulting in different crankshaft stresses. It would be interesting to see what impact, if any, the change to rotational inertial and damping rate on the drive end of crankshaft has on overall crankshaft stresses. I imagine there is healthy fatigue margin in automotive crankshafts since crank failures are extremely rare in automotive applications running at rated powers. Being involved in large Diesel engine development and worked on crankshaft torsional testing this is not something I imagine aftermarket suppliers have the resources or testing equipement to measure but in the off chance this was done would be interesting to see the plots

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      got my set of stuff yesterday, thanks james

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    25. 05-08-2009 12:06 AM #25
      just finished the install.. runs like a top. whats the break in period for the clutch

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      Drive it mellow for 500 miles.
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      07-08-2009 05:00 PM #27
      Quote, originally posted by FourSeasonTuning.com »
      Thanks for the bump. We have two types now, Steel Billet and Alloy.

      FST 228MM L/W Single Mass Steel Billet Flywheel Includes Ring Gear $324.95 Shipped Ground

      FST 228MM L/W Single Mass Alloy Flywheel Includes Ring Gear $389.95 Shipped Ground




      what applications would you use these for? Why would you choose alum over steel?

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      07-10-2009 01:14 PM #28
      For the most weight reduction people use alloy. The steel is a bit heavier and is a stronger. Both are designed to work on the 2.5 when combined with a 228mm VR6 clutch kit.
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      this is worth the money, just finished the 500 mile "break in" period, it feels like a whole different car!


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      08-04-2009 10:36 PM #32
      Quote, originally posted by ~kInG~ »
      this is worth the money, just finished the 500 mile "break in" period, it feels like a whole different car!

      for reals? Cuz the one thing I despise about the 2.5 is the effin clutch. It has zero feedback and I stall it more often than my 96 GTI or 92 Golf (which is like never) and there is like no in between on the 2.5, in or out. I hate it and anything I can do to change that is worth it in my book.


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      in my case I feel the car is easier to launch and shift

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      thanks I just want to feel the clutch more anything else is bonus.

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      I got 600 miles on mine. I'm gonna wait till I hit 1,000 miles and do an oil change before I really start hammering on it. I've laid into it a couple times in the past few days and it feels great. The clutch pedal feels like something is actually there and the shifts feel so much better.
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