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    Thread: New Product Development 2.5L L/W Single Mass Flywheel and Clutch kits , Shipped Ground Lower 48

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      09-11-2009 09:09 PM #36
      How much gearbox chatter (if any) is present with either the steel or alloy flywheel? I'm looking into this for the future, but I would like to avoid chatter if at all possible, even if that means going with the slightly heavier flywheel.

      Anything's better than the OEM DM flywheel that's in there right now.


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      09-12-2009 12:51 PM #37
      I can find the sound clips with the alloy one. We have not recorded any with the steel yet. The steel material and extra weight will dampen the idler gear rattle somewhat better than the alloy. There will always be some extra noise when going from a DMF to a single mass conversion.
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    3. 01-19-2010 06:30 PM #38
      With the steel flywheel and VR6 clutch in the 2.5 engine, has the engagement point changed at all? Any issues with slipping or not releasing? Also, there is no noise on the VR engines so how could there be noise on a 2.5 with single mass flywheel and a SPRUNG hub clutch?
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    4. 05-17-2010 02:28 PM #39
      okay so i have no experience whatsoever on what flywheels fit my car or what clutches work the best regarding six puck, full disk, steel or alloy flywheels etc. I have an 09 rabbit, ive been autocrossing for the past 2 years and my question is what is the best combination of stage 1 clutches n flywheel that is the cheapest for me to upgrade. i have no issues with the amount of noise or chatter it makes. i just want the lowest price possible on upgrading the flywheel n which clutch kit would be the best? sorry for the noobish question but lately my clutch is feeling really mushy or the pedal at least, and i want to upgrade eventually as the clutch will start slipping at any moment.

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      05-17-2010 03:40 PM #40
      Best bang for the buck, Sachs VR6 clutch kit ( full face organic, w/ sprung hub disc) and Our steel billet flywheel. This will make some noise at idle with clutch pedal out.





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      06-16-2010 07:15 PM #42
      noob question will it make a difference if i purchase the stage one clutch for my 07 rabbit and maintain the oem fly wheel? what/ if any difference will i feel with the stage one clutch compared to the oem rabbit clutch?

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      06-16-2010 07:51 PM #43
      The DM flywheel will not work with the 228MM VR6 sprung hub clutch kit.

      Benefits are Throttle response and Longer clutch/flywheel life.
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      06-25-2010 04:46 PM #44
      just purchased my stage 1 clutch and fly wheel kit for my mk5....how long is shipping?

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      06-25-2010 10:30 PM #45
      depending on location. Shipping will take about 4-5 days for east coast. You should see your kit by Friday, flywheel was shipped today.
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      06-27-2010 02:44 PM #46
      question any step by step diy thread on changing the flywheel and clutch available?

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      09-17-2010 05:01 PM #47
      This is just a R&R.
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      09-27-2010 11:09 AM #48
      so if i wanted to be closest to stock dm flywheel the billet steel would be the best way to go? and for the clutch my car is geting a big turbo treatment so if i get stage 3 clutch now will it be undrivable n/a or should i get stage 2 to drive on till then and use that with my built motor since my buddy has a 700hp vrt and has southbend clutch but its rated at 375tq and is holding up... so i should add ill be around 5-600hp when done.
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      09-27-2010 12:10 PM #49
      The steel FW will be the closest overall weight to stock. A six puck disc will not last as long as a full face version.

      Because you are building a engine that is going to exceed 400 TQ consider A kit that uses a Sachs Sport pressure plate instead of a modified oem sachs one. South Bend/DXD uses these in the stage 3 and 4 kits.

      The Max torque that South Bend rates their stage 4 kit at is 525 and these sell for about $600 w/o a flywheel.

      Next step up is a Tilton twin disc with a pressure plate rated for 700 TQ

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      09-27-2010 01:09 PM #50
      so i can use your billet flywheel and their stage 4 clutch and pressure plate together?
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      09-28-2010 12:20 AM #51
      Yes, Contact when you are ready.
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      09-28-2010 12:30 PM #52
      Ok. Wow will do the most straightforward answers I've gotten.
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      01-10-2011 08:04 PM #53
      So I'm planning on a little forced induction on my 08 rabbit.I'm really not looking for crazy power (under 300 whp) what would you say is the best clutch and flywheel set up you'd recommend? I'm wanting something that holds well yet feels slightly stiffer than stock.I've had act clutches before on a few of my other cars as well as their lightened steel fly wheel.I really liked it but was only stage 2 on a naturally aspirated motor.what would be my best bet? And a rough price would be nice too? Thanks in advance.

      I don't want to keep the dual mass flywheel at all. But am concerned about long term reliability. Your fly wheels can be resurfaced right?
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      01-11-2011 04:31 PM #54
      For clutch life we recommend an organic disc, organic disc is made by Clutchnet with 6 retaining plates and solid backing so it will not break under pressure, a modified pressure plate will allow the power to be put down to the wheels. Clutch Net stage 2 is perfect for your needs.
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      01-30-2011 02:05 AM #55
      another quick question...

      is it possible for me to just use a 228mm vr6 flywheel?
      I want to upgrade the clutch however am not sure i want to get the lightened flywheel just yet.

      if i can use the vr6 flywheel i'd be very interested to find out what needs to be done to use it. and then i'd be able to get the stage 2 clutch kit

      thanks in advance!
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      01-30-2011 02:37 AM #56
      A VR6 flywheel will not bolt up to a 2.5 crankshaft ( 10 bolt instead of 6). So in order to use a VR6 clutch kit our flywheel must be used.
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      02-20-2011 01:04 PM #57
      Ok great thank you for the help...
      Last question, what transmission do I have? I would like to get an lsd installed while the tranny is out. My code on top of the box is sorry they are upside down...
      Again what do I have?
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      02-24-2011 03:47 PM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by TylerO28 View Post
      Ok great thank you for the help...
      Last question, what transmission do I have? I would like to get an lsd installed while the tranny is out. My code on top of the box is sorry they are upside down...
      Again what do I have?
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      04-21-2011 06:15 PM #61
      guys, bump for the great service!

      got the flywheel today... cause USPS didnt want to deliver it to my door since monday... :S



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      05-16-2011 07:02 PM #63
      i was hoping u could recommend me a clutch, i just have a couple of blot ons nothing to big but my clutch is pretty used up, i do like hitting up the drag strip, should i just go with stage 2 for longer clutch life or will stage one be okay?

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      05-16-2011 10:22 PM #64
      Best bang for the buck, Sachs VR6 clutch kit ( full face organic, w/ sprung hub disc) and Our steel billet flywheel. This will make some noise at idle with clutch pedal out.





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      06-18-2011 01:25 PM #66
      The VR6 clutch kit is shown with steel or alloy flywheel does not matter. Many VR6 and 1.8T users are pushing more than 275 whp with the sachs vr6 clutch kit.
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      06-20-2011 04:00 PM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by TeamZleep View Post
      Well I'm gonna play it safe, ordering the stage2 with the billet steel flywheel now! Think it'll make it by friday (to savannah ga)?? I plan on doing it next weekend.


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      06-26-2011 01:38 AM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by TeamZleep View Post
      Update: Just put 60 more miles on the car and as long as it's rolling, it'll go into gear fine. It's a bit hard to get into first at a stop, and reverse LURCHES, grinds a little, then goes into gear. I have no idea what could be causing this... It was perfect, just slipping with the old setup. Funny part is my old clutch disk was fine, but the DMF had a lot of play in it.
      in mine its sometimes "hard" to get into first...

      when it starts behaving that way, i just start on second... it isnt often... but it happens... and it happens like 1 a week.

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      06-26-2011 01:46 AM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by TeamZleep View Post
      So I installed my Stage two kit with the billet steel flywheel today, and my car isn't working right at all. It grinds when It goes into reverse (cables adjusted properly) and every gear is hard to get into unless you're already moving.
      not all nor all the time... but almost always 1st to 2nd is hard... same as 5th to 6th.

      The clutch pedal lets out low now
      ( same here... i've learned to drive it... but it wasnt pretty... and its a lot lower than factory... )
      , and when I managed to make my way home (20 mile drive) the clutch was chattering at idle, pretty bad.
      mine chatters, but it isnt BAD... only way to notice it its with the radio off.
      Everything came out correctly and went back together correctly, torqued properly. Shifter cables adjusted (followed proper procedure and ended up doing it like 70 times), slave cylinder bled (figured that may be the issue), and I have no Idea what could be wrong.
      mee too...!i have bleed the clutch several times...!

      What I'm assuming is the clutch is a shorter height than the factory dual mass and it's not disengaging all the way, but I used the sachs TO bearing you guys sent me, I don't know if that makes up for the bit of extra travel the pedal needs to reach the new flywheel... I'm confused, and I want to light my car on fire.
      i'm also voicing my concerns! at first i thought this was cause of several different issues, such as improper torque, or improper install, or the tranny just being abused... now i know what the cause is.

      i'm using the 19lb flywheel for the 6speed GTI tranny... stock clutch.

      i dont want to light the car on fire... but i agree..! clutch engament isnt the best all the time..!!

      i'm sorta happy to know that it isnt my driving skills, nor the install or anything other than the flywheel.

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      06-26-2011 02:02 AM #70
      i dunno... again, i feel happy to know that the causes arent a bad tranny, bad install, etc.. rather it is the flywheel...

      not really happy about it... dont like it, and as of right now, i wouldnt recommend the product... but i do have to say that the service and price were good.

      and when i bought this, on the phone... i was told about the chatter, no one said anything about hard shifts, and other stuff.

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