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    1. Member TeamZleep's Avatar
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      06-26-2011 10:38 AM #76
      So riddle me this. Yesterday after the install, Reverse was grinding/lurching, and it was really hard to get it into first/second from a standstill. Bled the crap out of the slave cylinder, no air. Adjusted the cables 20ish times, all seems to go into place. Chattered badly for 30 seconds before I shut the car off after the first drive.

      Second drive: No noticeable chatter (other than what you'd expect from a performance clutch), gears still the same amount of suckage.

      Today: I wake up, take another car to the auto parts store to get stuff to rebleed the system (only thing I can think of other than a massive mechanical failure). I get into the Rabbit, fire it up, put it into reverse to show the girlfriend how bad it is annnnnd.....

      *Click*......... It works fine. -________-


      What the heck?!?! All gears smooth as glass, drove it for a bit, even after warmed up, it's all smooth and silky, even reverse gives not a single peep. Am I missing something here?? Either way, I'm going to finish breaking it in and see if it goofs up again.

      I would recommend this to anyone bumping up power, the flywheel is BEAUTIFUL, and everything looks so much more stout than the factory equipment. I'll report more as it breaks in, and I can get into boost!
      The highway is my spirit animal.

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      06-26-2011 02:12 PM #77
      now i'm worried again.. sorta

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      06-26-2011 05:16 PM #78
      Well today after a drive from Savannah to St. Augustine, it started out working perfectly, but when I got off of the exit.... Same problems again. It's been that way since then. I'm going to rebleed the entire brake/clutch system and see if that does the trick. If not, I'm not sure what's going on...
      The highway is my spirit animal.

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      06-27-2011 02:30 PM #79
      Rebleed the system. The purchasers on page 1 had no issues. NGP used this flywheel on their turbo 2.5 rabbit.

      The overall stack height on this kit and the oem kit are the same as measured mounted on crank flange.

      Quote Originally Posted by vw93to85 View Post
      I got 600 miles on mine. I'm gonna wait till I hit 1,000 miles and do an oil change before I really start hammering on it. I've laid into it a couple times in the past few days and it feels great. The clutch pedal feels like something is actually there and the shifts feel so much better.
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      06-27-2011 04:31 PM #80
      guys, just in case... i wasnt trully bashing...

      its just that i have some issues, that may or may not be related to the product... i said that i cant recommend the prod just because i dont know if my issues are caused by it...

      and by voicing my issues, maybe someone had a solution!

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      06-27-2011 05:10 PM #81
      System was bled 3 more times, once with a pressure bleeder and I have the same issue. It's only after driving for a period of time. I'm by NO means bashing the product, I actually recommend it to people, it's 100000x grippier than the stock unit, and it feels like there's actually a clutch there. I'll be looking into it more, flushing the fluid/etc. and I'll let you know the findings.
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      06-29-2011 06:31 PM #82
      thans for the time of the call today.!

      it was all good, and i think you are right, and that the flywheel has nothing to do with my "issues"

      anyways, have a nice day.

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      06-30-2011 03:53 AM #83
      Quote Originally Posted by thygreyt View Post
      thans for the time of the call today.!

      it was all good, and i think you are right, and that the flywheel has nothing to do with my "issues"

      anyways, have a nice day.
      Did you figure out your issues?
      The highway is my spirit animal.

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      06-30-2011 10:39 AM #84
      its kind of hard to get into some gears... i think its the short shifter... it was hard to install... so maybe we left it a lil crooked.

      i am not really worried, cause the car is fine, and driver perfect... just the shift things every now and then... but per my conv with FST, a lot of things will "fix itself" once i convert my ecu.

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      07-29-2011 12:05 PM #85
      up up up

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      08-02-2011 07:18 PM #86
      So...do you guys offer any deals in package form including lsd's?
      If I'm in there I might as well pull the dif and replace that too right?
      god i love my car. it may not be fast, but it's crazy fun!



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      08-04-2011 04:10 PM #87
      Quote Originally Posted by TylerO28 View Post
      So...do you guys offer any deals in package form including lsd's?
      If I'm in there I might as well pull the dif and replace that too right?
      It is more complicated to change a differential. If you are willing, just give us a call and we could make a package deal.
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      08-23-2011 12:45 AM #88
      Quote Originally Posted by FourSeasonTuning.com View Post
      It is more complicated to change a differential. If you are willing, just give us a call and we could make a package deal.
      I know its stupid that they rivit the ring on the diff... I've got a nice drill press and air hammer, so I hope i will be able to get at it
      god i love my car. it may not be fast, but it's crazy fun!



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      10-05-2011 07:35 PM #89
      Quote Originally Posted by TylerO28 View Post
      I know its stupid that they rivit the ring on the diff... I've got a nice drill press and air hammer, so I hope i will be able to get at it
      I did my LSD install, and those rivets are a B!^ch to remove, luckily i have access to a mill and a
      Hydraulic press, and the ring is also pressed on to the Diff...if you have any question let me know, i just
      did my install about 3 weeks ago, with a Four seasons Single mass Fly and Vr6 Clutch after you brake them
      in its worth it.

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      11-04-2011 01:07 PM #90
      Quote Originally Posted by Charliemkv View Post
      I did my LSD install, and those rivets are a B!^ch to remove, luckily i have access to a mill and a
      Hydraulic press, and the ring is also pressed on to the Diff...if you have any question let me know, i just
      did my install about 3 weeks ago, with a Four seasons Single mass Fly and Vr6 Clutch after you brake them
      in its worth it.
      What did you do about shimming and tolerances? Thats the thing I'm truly worried about. You dont need a ticking time bomb that costs as much as your dif,trans case, synchros and in put shaft once they go kaboom!

      I would do it, but worry about it...

      I am going to be ordering this lightened flywheel and stage 2 kit VERY soon. I'm thinking I'm feeling slop in the dual mass. And well I think I'll start slipping soon. 10lbs of boost on the oem clutch with 80k on it... Thinking it's going to go some time soon
      god i love my car. it may not be fast, but it's crazy fun!



      C2 stage 2 TURBO!!! ACHTUNG!!! 2.5liter 5cylinder contents under pressure!!!

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      11-07-2011 04:21 PM #91
      Just called and spoke with someone.that was very friendly and helpful!

      Can you please let me know when the steel billet flywheels are on the shelf ready to ship. I'm officially slipping and need to get this fixed.

      should I go stage 2? 2+? Upgrade pressure plate or just a better friction material? I'm turbo 2.5 now and need to insure the power is going to the ground, not spinning away at the flywheel
      god i love my car. it may not be fast, but it's crazy fun!



      C2 stage 2 TURBO!!! ACHTUNG!!! 2.5liter 5cylinder contents under pressure!!!

    17. 11-07-2011 04:30 PM #92
      lol i didn't even think about a slipping clutch being the problem w/that dyno pull

      I thought our OEM unit was good to ~300ft/lb?

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      11-08-2011 11:13 AM #93
      Sent two kits yesterday, steel flywheels are a few days out and the alloy ones are in stock.

      The VR6 clutch kit is can hold about 275 TQ, The oe clutch not that much. The stage 2 is only needed for over 275 TQ.
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      11-08-2011 10:16 PM #94
      So stage 2 it is for me... I think the clutch net 2x pressure plate with the organic full face disc and the steel flywheel will be good. Or should I opt for the kevlar or carbon disc? Truthfully, which will have the best life, holding power, and heat resistance? Also need drivability to be good. I dont mind a hard pedal, but I do not want instant grab type on/off operation... Please let me know
      god i love my car. it may not be fast, but it's crazy fun!



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      11-13-2011 05:20 PM #95
      Is there a recommended break in process for your clutch/flywheel kits on the rabbit?

      Also, a big to James West at FST for helping me out and making sure my stuff was overnighted. Haven't driven my rabbit much (since it's going back to the mechanic tomorrow because of some noise coming from a pulley) but it feels SO much better than stock...
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      12-14-2011 08:21 AM #97
      I've read through the thread (unlike some people I seen here...) and am wondering if anyone has been using the aluminum alloy flywheel? All the sales i've seen are for the billet steel flywheel. I'll be needing a clutch shortly and I think I am siding with the billet for the reduced noise.
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      12-14-2011 09:27 AM #98
      Quote Originally Posted by Anile_eight View Post
      I've read through the thread (unlike some people I seen here...) and am wondering if anyone has been using the aluminum alloy flywheel? All the sales i've seen are for the billet steel flywheel. I'll be needing a clutch shortly and I think I am siding with the billet for the reduced noise.
      I've been running a billet flywheels and the vr stage 1 clutch setup for over a year now. Love it, no issues or complaints

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      12-14-2011 02:00 PM #99
      Most buyers are opting for the billet steel flywheel.
      I would like to hear feedback from those running an aluminum flywheel too.

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      12-14-2011 09:11 PM #100
      Quote Originally Posted by FourSeasonTuning.com View Post
      Most buyers are opting for the billet steel flywheel.
      I would like to hear feedback from those running an aluminum flywheel too.

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      Sorry let me clarify, I've been running the billet aluminum flywheels with no issues for over a year now with no problems

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