New Product Development 2.5L L/W Single Mass Flywheel and Clutch kits , Shipped Ground Lower 48

[TeamZleep]

Update: Just put 60 more miles on the car and as long as it's rolling, it'll go into gear fine. It's a bit hard to get into first at a stop, and reverse LURCHES, grinds a little, then goes into gear. I have no idea what could be causing this... It was perfect, just slipping with the old setup. Funny part is my old clutch disk was fine, but the DMF had a lot of play in it.

[thygreyt]

Update: Just put 60 more miles on the car and as long as it's rolling, it'll go into gear fine. It's a bit hard to get into first at a stop, and reverse LURCHES, grinds a little, then goes into gear. I have no idea what could be causing this... It was perfect, just slipping with the old setup. Funny part is my old clutch disk was fine, but the DMF had a lot of play in it.

in mine its sometimes "hard" to get into first...

when it starts behaving that way, i just start on second... it isnt often... but it happens... and it happens like 1 a week.

[thygreyt]

So I installed my Stage two kit with the billet steel flywheel today, and my car isn't working right at all. It grinds when It goes into reverse (cables adjusted properly) and every gear is hard to get into unless you're already moving.
not all nor all the time... but almost always 1st to 2nd is hard... same as 5th to 6th.

The clutch pedal lets out low now
( same here... i've learned to drive it... but it wasnt pretty... and its a lot lower than factory... )
, and when I managed to make my way home (20 mile drive) the clutch was chattering at idle, pretty bad.
mine chatters, but it isnt BAD... only way to notice it its with the radio off.
Everything came out correctly and went back together correctly, torqued properly. Shifter cables adjusted (followed proper procedure and ended up doing it like 70 times), slave cylinder bled (figured that may be the issue), and I have no Idea what could be wrong.
mee too...!i have bleed the clutch several times...!

What I'm assuming is the clutch is a shorter height than the factory dual mass and it's not disengaging all the way, but I used the sachs TO bearing you guys sent me, I don't know if that makes up for the bit of extra travel the pedal needs to reach the new flywheel... I'm confused, and I want to light my car on fire.

i'm also voicing my concerns! at first i thought this was cause of several different issues, such as improper torque, or improper install, or the tranny just being abused... now i know what the cause is.

i'm using the 19lb flywheel for the 6speed GTI tranny... stock clutch.

i dont want to light the car on fire... but i agree..! clutch engament isnt the best all the time..!!

i'm sorta happy to know that it isnt my driving skills, nor the install or anything other than the flywheel.

[TeamZleep]

Yeah, I can't figure out the lurching into reverse though... It feels like to me that the TO bearing isn't engaging all the way. It felt like that on my datsun when the salve cylinder died... The pedal got low and it wouldn't fully engage when you pushed in the clutch pedal, and it also was hard to get into gear/grind/lurch. Is our slave cylinder piston not long enough with the new clutch setup?

[thygreyt]

i dunno... again, i feel happy to know that the causes arent a bad tranny, bad install, etc.. rather it is the flywheel...

not really happy about it... dont like it, and as of right now, i wouldnt recommend the product... but i do have to say that the service and price were good.

and when i bought this, on the phone... i was told about the chatter, no one said anything about hard shifts, and other stuff.

[TeamZleep]

So riddle me this. Yesterday after the install, Reverse was grinding/lurching, and it was really hard to get it into first/second from a standstill. Bled the crap out of the slave cylinder, no air. Adjusted the cables 20ish times, all seems to go into place. Chattered badly for 30 seconds before I shut the car off after the first drive.

Second drive: No noticeable chatter (other than what you'd expect from a performance clutch), gears still the same amount of suckage.

Today: I wake up, take another car to the auto parts store to get stuff to rebleed the system (only thing I can think of other than a massive mechanical failure). I get into the Rabbit, fire it up, put it into reverse to show the girlfriend how bad it is annnnnd.....

*Click*......... It works fine. -________-


What the heck?!?! All gears smooth as glass, drove it for a bit, even after warmed up, it's all smooth and silky, even reverse gives not a single peep. Am I missing something here?? Either way, I'm going to finish breaking it in and see if it goofs up again.

I would recommend this to anyone bumping up power, the flywheel is BEAUTIFUL, and everything looks so much more stout than the factory equipment. I'll report more as it breaks in, and I can get into boost!

[thygreyt]

now i'm worried again.. sorta

[TeamZleep]

Well today after a drive from Savannah to St. Augustine, it started out working perfectly, but when I got off of the exit.... Same problems again. It's been that way since then. I'm going to rebleed the entire brake/clutch system and see if that does the trick. If not, I'm not sure what's going on...

[FourSeasonTuning.com]

Rebleed the system. The purchasers on page 1 had no issues. NGP used this flywheel on their turbo 2.5 rabbit.

The overall stack height on this kit and the oem kit are the same as measured mounted on crank flange.

I got 600 miles on mine. I'm gonna wait till I hit 1,000 miles and do an oil change before I really start hammering on it. I've laid into it a couple times in the past few days and it feels great. The clutch pedal feels like something is actually there and the shifts feel so much better.

[thygreyt]

guys, just in case... i wasnt trully bashing...

its just that i have some issues, that may or may not be related to the product... i said that i cant recommend the prod just because i dont know if my issues are caused by it...

and by voicing my issues, maybe someone had a solution!

[TeamZleep]

System was bled 3 more times, once with a pressure bleeder and I have the same issue. It's only after driving for a period of time. I'm by NO means bashing the product, I actually recommend it to people, it's 100000x grippier than the stock unit, and it feels like there's actually a clutch there. I'll be looking into it more, flushing the fluid/etc. and I'll let you know the findings.

[thygreyt]

thans for the time of the call today.!

it was all good, and i think you are right, and that the flywheel has nothing to do with my "issues"

anyways, have a nice day.

[TeamZleep]

thans for the time of the call today.!

it was all good, and i think you are right, and that the flywheel has nothing to do with my "issues"

anyways, have a nice day.

Did you figure out your issues?

[thygreyt]

its kind of hard to get into some gears... i think its the short shifter... it was hard to install... so maybe we left it a lil crooked.

i am not really worried, cause the car is fine, and driver perfect... just the shift things every now and then... but per my conv with FST, a lot of things will "fix itself" once i convert my ecu.

[shysty]

up up up

[TylerO28]

So...do you guys offer any deals in package form including lsd's?
If I'm in there I might as well pull the dif and replace that too right?

[FourSeasonTuning.com]

So...do you guys offer any deals in package form including lsd's?
If I'm in there I might as well pull the dif and replace that too right?

It is more complicated to change a differential. If you are willing, just give us a call and we could make a package deal.

[TylerO28]

It is more complicated to change a differential. If you are willing, just give us a call and we could make a package deal.

I know its stupid that they rivit the ring on the diff... I've got a nice drill press and air hammer, so I hope i will be able to get at it

[Charliemkv]

I know its stupid that they rivit the ring on the diff... I've got a nice drill press and air hammer, so I hope i will be able to get at it

I did my LSD install, and those rivets are a B!^ch to remove, luckily i have access to a mill and a
Hydraulic press, and the ring is also pressed on to the Diff...if you have any question let me know, i just
did my install about 3 weeks ago, with a Four seasons Single mass Fly and Vr6 Clutch after you brake them
in its worth it.

[TylerO28]

I did my LSD install, and those rivets are a B!^ch to remove, luckily i have access to a mill and a
Hydraulic press, and the ring is also pressed on to the Diff...if you have any question let me know, i just
did my install about 3 weeks ago, with a Four seasons Single mass Fly and Vr6 Clutch after you brake them
in its worth it.

What did you do about shimming and tolerances? Thats the thing I'm truly worried about. You dont need a ticking time bomb that costs as much as your dif,trans case, synchros and in put shaft once they go kaboom!

I would do it, but worry about it...

I am going to be ordering this lightened flywheel and stage 2 kit VERY soon. I'm thinking I'm feeling slop in the dual mass. And well I think I'll start slipping soon. 10lbs of boost on the oem clutch with 80k on it... Thinking it's going to go some time soon

[TylerO28]

Just called and spoke with someone.that was very friendly and helpful!

Can you please let me know when the steel billet flywheels are on the shelf ready to ship. I'm officially slipping and need to get this fixed.

should I go stage 2? 2+? Upgrade pressure plate or just a better friction material? I'm turbo 2.5 now and need to insure the power is going to the ground, not spinning away at the flywheel

[tchilds]

lol i didn't even think about a slipping clutch being the problem w/that dyno pull

I thought our OEM unit was good to ~300ft/lb?

[FourSeasonTuning.com]

Sent two kits yesterday, steel flywheels are a few days out and the alloy ones are in stock.

The VR6 clutch kit is can hold about 275 TQ, The oe clutch not that much. The stage 2 is only needed for over 275 TQ.

[TylerO28]

So stage 2 it is for me... I think the clutch net 2x pressure plate with the organic full face disc and the steel flywheel will be good. Or should I opt for the kevlar or carbon disc? Truthfully, which will have the best life, holding power, and heat resistance? Also need drivability to be good. I dont mind a hard pedal, but I do not want instant grab type on/off operation... Please let me know

[cracKness]

Is there a recommended break in process for your clutch/flywheel kits on the rabbit?

Also, a big to James West at FST for helping me out and making sure my stuff was overnighted. Haven't driven my rabbit much (since it's going back to the mechanic tomorrow because of some noise coming from a pulley) but it feels SO much better than stock...

[shysty]

[Anile_eight]

I've read through the thread (unlike some people I seen here...) and am wondering if anyone has been using the aluminum alloy flywheel? All the sales i've seen are for the billet steel flywheel. I'll be needing a clutch shortly and I think I am siding with the billet for the reduced noise.

[RedRumGTI]

I've read through the thread (unlike some people I seen here...) and am wondering if anyone has been using the aluminum alloy flywheel? All the sales i've seen are for the billet steel flywheel. I'll be needing a clutch shortly and I think I am siding with the billet for the reduced noise.

I've been running a billet flywheels and the vr stage 1 clutch setup for over a year now. Love it, no issues or complaints

[FourSeasonTuning.com]

Most buyers are opting for the billet steel flywheel.
I would like to hear feedback from those running an aluminum flywheel too.

www.fourseasontuning.com

[RedRumGTI]

Most buyers are opting for the billet steel flywheel.
I would like to hear feedback from those running an aluminum flywheel too.

www.fourseasontuning.com

Sorry let me clarify, I've been running the billet aluminum flywheels with no issues for over a year now with no problems

[Anile_eight]

Sorry let me clarify, I've been running the billet aluminum flywheels with no issues for over a year now with no problems

Ahhh... I see. Well no issues is different then chatter and other noise. How is that? I'd like to run the aluminum flywheel but the noise issue I think is putting me off. The billet steel is definitely a go unless I get enough responses saying other wise

[RedRumGTI]

Ahhh... I see. Well no issues is different then chatter and other noise. How is that? I'd like to run the aluminum flywheel but the noise issue I think is putting me off. The billet steel is definitely a go unless I get enough responses saying other wise

Personally I don't notice any chatter, I've had a couple random times at idle where I've noticed a slight throw out bearing noise. It was very faint though. I should throw out there that I've got a bfi stage 2 trans mount so all noises are amplified in the cabin. Before that never noticed any difference from stock except how quick the motor winds up.

[cracKness]

I personally do notice the chatter, but it doesn't bother me. Sometimes it's more noticeable than others, and it honestly seems random. At first it bothered me, but only because I had started driving my car after having the engine replaced (and before I took back the car, it had a super loud pulley noise), and I was listening for every single little thing that might not be normal; and I had no clue what the sound was. I only made the connection when the sound went away when I put the clutch in, and after that it didn't bother me anymore.

My rabbit does rev faster, and while shifting, the revs fall faster too. The engine does shut down quicker as well when I turn the ignition off, but I have also had the engine stay on after a deeper stall.

Not sure if this is attributable to the replacement engine, or the clutch, but the rabbit does feel faster to me. All in all, I have no complaints.

[FourSeasonTuning.com]

Pre-dampened discs are available for our clutch kits.

We put one in our customers MkV Golf on Monday 26th. and what a huge difference it made.
Very quiet with a single mass flywheel.
www.fourseasontuning.com

[#1866R32]

Finally got my stage 1 clutch, pressure plate, and steel billet flywheel. No shifting issues with NLS short shifter and 42 draft designs shifter bushings set. Also had my Wavetrac LSD installed and a new timing chain. Couldn’t be happier with the new clutch setup, much easier to drive with this new setup. The real test will be this weekend, going to Roebling Road this weekend for a HPDE.

Jay