Ford Coil Pack on VR6 with Pics.

[GinsterMan98]

Thats it, I am going to the pick and pull this weekend...

Page 12 ownage btw...

[jocel66]

I did some leg work and found a list of cars with the particular coilpack we need ... if your scrounging the junk lots... look for these cars ...

2000-2001 Mazda MPV : C901
98-2000 Ford E-250 Econoline
1997-2000 Ranger
89 - 97 thunderbird
1995 - 2001 Mazda B3000
1996 - 1999 Mercury Sable
1995 - 2000 Contour
1990 - 2000 Mercury Cougar
1995 - 2000 Mercury Mystique
1996 - 1998 Ford Taurus
1998 - 2000 E-150 Econoline
1995 - 2000 Windstar
1998 - 2000 F150

I'm not sure if this is an exhaustive list, but it does open up the search pattern a bit.

of course look for 6 cylinders... and the only difference you'll find is the ICM plug being vertical vs horizontal ...

OK does anyone know which of these Coils produces the highest spark??

[GinsterMan98]

Ok, I got my coil from 1998 ford exploder. I used the ford wire ends and put them on my MSD wires, which worked out well. Started right up first try and noticed the idle was smooth as a babies @ss. Noticed it reved a whole lot faster too. Over the last day I have also noticed a increase in mpg. Mid range torque has improved a good amount. If you own a VR6 you should do this mod and never look back. I am running BKR7EIX plugs gapped to .035, hopefully I can keep it there after I get my turbo stuff back on next week. Thanks to everyone who made this thread very informative.

[V-dubbulyuh]

Noticed it reved a whole lot faster too. Mid range torque has improved a good amount.

Yep.

[GinsterMan98]

Yep.

I was wondering what you have your plugs gapped too? I was going to try .030 @ 20 psi.

[Nitestalkerz]

I was wondering what you have your plugs gapped too? I was going to try .030 @ 20 psi.

.035 may be a tad much. .032-34 may be better for u, being that the spark is like the dam sun

[V-dubbulyuh]

I was wondering what you have your plugs gapped too?

Still experimenting with the gap and have not found the ideal spacing as yet. Once I'm comfortable though, will definitely report back. Trying to find where it pulls the hardest and most consistently >25 psi.

[GinsterMan98]

.035 may be a tad much. .032-34 may be better for u, being that the spark is like the dam sun

Oh, I have them gapped at .035 with no turbo business on my car right now. Still waiting on parts to arrive.

[GinsterMan98]

Still experimenting with the gap and have not found the ideal spacing as yet. Once I'm comfortable though, will definitely report back. Trying to find where it pulls the hardest and most consistently >25 psi.

I know every setup is different, but I would greatly appreciate that info down the line.

[Nitestalkerz]

Still experimenting with the gap and have not found the ideal spacing as yet. Once I'm comfortable though, will definitely report back. Trying to find where it pulls the hardest and most consistently >25 psi.

Dubs got this. Id mark this as the post diy for gapping plugs w/ the Ford conversion FI/NA
So far .034-6 is the sweet spot on NA's. Well see what the FI gap is once dub finishes

I started mine off @.o34 then to 5, and I swear it was ment to be

[optiks]

is anyone using a FORD ICM ? i have a brand new ranger coil to do this conversion but I want to eliminate the guesswork whether it was the coil or the ICM

And like another guy in this thread my ground wired in the ICM connector is also melted so I have other issues that need to be resolved before the ranger coil goes on

[V-dubbulyuh]

I have them gapped at .035 .

This is where I started the testing. To nobody's surprise when in vacuum the car runs fine and gets pretty decent MPG. This testing was done with a suspect MAF so prior to adjusting the gap I will get a new MAF and retest. Car blows out spark at anything above 7 psi (so obviously keep it around 5-6 psi for consistency) but for someone not intending to run higher boost numbers (eg Kinetic Stg 1) this setup might be perfect for them. These coils are pretty amazing, I measured jump distance from the coilpack itself at ~ 1" (at the plug end it was of course lower due to the resistence in the wires)

Tested on 05-31-11
OAT - 25 deg C
Coil - 2003 Mustang
Plug - NGK Bkr7e
Gap - .035"
Wires - Autotech Shock Therapy
MPG - 26-27 @ 60-70 MPH (2200-2600 RPM)
Max allowable boost - 7 psi
Software - C2 630

Will post up more data when I replace the MAF.

[V-dubbulyuh]

is anyone using a FORD ICM ? i have a brand new ranger coil to do this conversion but I want to eliminate the guesswork whether it was the coil or the ICM

And like another guy in this thread my ground wired in the ICM connector is also melted so I have other issues that need to be resolved before the ranger coil goes on

Take a pic of the Ford ICM if you get the time. I'm also curious to see if we can get better results with the Ford piece. When I'm done with the first set of tests I might go ahead and use the Ford ICM (and test it) if it proves more solid.

How did you melt that wire?

[GinsterMan98]

This is where I started the testing. To nobody's surprise when in vacuum the car runs fine and gets pretty decent MPG. This testing was done with a suspect MAF so prior to adjusting the gap I will get a new MAF and retest. Car blows out spark at anything above 7 psi (so obviously keep it around 5-6 psi for consistency) but for someone not intending to run higher boost numbers (eg Kinetic Stg 1) this setup might be perfect for them. These coils are pretty amazing, I measured jump distance from the coilpack itself at ~ 1" (at the plug end it was of course lower due to the resistence in the wires)

Tested on 05-31-11
OAT - 25 deg C
Coil - 2003 Mustang
Plug - NGK Bkr7e
Gap - .035"
Wires - Autotech Shock Therapy
MPG - 26-27 @ 60-70 MPH (2200-2600 RPM)
Max allowable boost - 7 psi
Software - C2 630

Will post up more data when I replace the MAF.

Thanks for the heads up.

[Nitestalkerz]

From pullling apart the vw ICM, from what ive seen its just a bunch of fusable links. Pretty sure the ford version is a computer bord.

[Nitestalkerz]

Thanks for the heads up.

Gin try the DUI coil for the mustang. 45000k per spark. Should solve the blowout problem. 85.00 from summit

[GinsterMan98]

Gin try the DUI coil for the mustang. 45000k per spark. Should solve the blowout problem. 85.00 from summit

Would have, but the one I got was 15 bucks and has made a very nice improvement. Maybe down the line.

[Titan VR6]

So, a bout a page back i was having some serious issues with miss fires. I traced the problem down to my ICM. I found a very tiny(needle point tiny) hole in the cover of the ICM. I popped off the cover and found some serious rust on some of the soldering points. I replaced my ICM and NOW it been running like a champ.
ALSO, does anybody notice a whining noise coming from the motor when accelerating? (and no its not my GF) this is kinda worrying me a bit. Never had that noise b4 the upgrade.

[V-dubbulyuh]

Have not noticed any noises at all related to the coil installation. Then again my car is loud and vibrates a lot so if there is a subtle additional noise it might be harder to detect.

[Nitestalkerz]

So, a bout a page back i was having some serious issues with miss fires. I traced the problem down to my ICM. I found a very tiny(needle point tiny) hole in the cover of the ICM. I popped off the cover and found some serious rust on some of the soldering points. I replaced my ICM and NOW it been running like a champ.
ALSO, does anybody notice a whining noise coming from the motor when accelerating? (and no its not my GF) this is kinda worrying me a bit. Never had that noise b4 the upgrade.

The ford coil if you noticed when you pulled it off the donar car had a noise filter attach to it. Most everyone just yanks them off when removing the coil. Just go to a junkyard and find a ford with the coil, and ull see what I mean

[Titan VR6]

The ford coil if you noticed when you pulled it off the donar car had a noise filter attach to it. Most everyone just yanks them off when removing the coil. Just go to a junkyard and find a ford with the coil, and ull see what I mean

Oh really? I guess since I'm at the junk yard looking for my "noise filter" I might as well look for my blinker fluid tank and rotating splint.
Nice try though, maybe it works on noobs. Ive been driving VW's since before you were born, and if you dont believe me just ask your mom....

[JohnStamos]

Oh really? I guess since I'm at the junk yard looking for my "noise filter" I might as well look for my blinker fluid tank and rotating splint.
Nice try though, maybe it works on noobs. Ive been driving VW's since before you were born, and if you dont believe me just ask your mom....

Well jokes on you bud, because he wasn't messing with you. There is infact a filter.

[V-dubbulyuh]

Tested on 05-31-11
OAT - 25 deg C
Coil - 2003 Mustang
Plug - NGK Bkr7e
Gap - .035"
Wires - Autotech Shock Therapy
MPG - 26-27 @ 60-70 MPH (2200-2600 RPM)
Max allowable boost - 7 psi
Software - C2 630
MAF - POS

Will post up more data when I replace the MAF.

So MAF was replaced with another one.
All elements the same other than where noted, test repeated.

Tested on 06-03-11
OAT - 23 deg C
Elevation - 24 ft MSL
Max allowable boost - 12 psi


Wow! 12 and sometimes 15 psi at a .035" gap, pretty impressive. 15 psi is doable but not very consistent (would not recommend this as you will foul your plugs and possibly take out your O2 sensor if you repeatedly do this), sometimes you get a bit of breakup (not leaning but incomplete combustion due to no spark) if you try pushing the boost this high. As expected the MAF replacement has also resulted in a quicker throttle response (does not stumble/blip when initially going into boost anymore).

I am guessing .028-.030" is where I actually need to be for >20 psi. Will tighten the gap up and report back.

[GinsterMan98]

Thanks for sharing that info! I can't wait!

[Nitestalkerz]

Oh really? I guess since I'm at the junk yard looking for my "noise filter" I might as well look for my blinker fluid tank and rotating splint.
Nice try though, maybe it works on noobs. Ive been driving VW's since before you were born, and if you dont believe me just ask your mom....

I really hope you are joking????? Most Fords come with a noise filter on there coil setup so you dont hear the engine whine through the speakers. Its attached to the coil on the same bolt to hold it down. Now, while my ford conversion works and I dont hear my fkin engine in my speakers....maybye you should go relook. Dont know about blinker fluid but cant figure out what termanal my "Mr Fusion" hooks up to

[Nitestalkerz]

So MAF was replaced with another one.
All elements the same other than where noted, test repeated.

Tested on 06-03-11
OAT - 23 deg C
Elevation - 24 ft MSL
Max allowable boost - 12 psi


Wow! 12 and sometimes 15 psi at a .035" gap, pretty impressive. 15 psi is doable but not very consistent (would not recommend this as you will foul your plugs and possibly take out your O2 sensor if you repeatedly do this), sometimes you get a bit of breakup (not leaning but incomplete combustion due to no spark) if you try pushing the boost this high. As expected the MAF replacement has also resulted in a quicker throttle response (does not stumble/blip when initially going into boost anymore).

I am guessing .028-.030" is where I actually need to be for >20 psi. Will tighten the gap up and report back.

Dub, if you were closer id let u hook up my DUI to see what u get. Start with w/ .028 id guess

[V-dubbulyuh]

Dub, if you were closer id let u hook up my DUI to see what u get. Start with w/ .028 id guess

Tell ya what... I'm kinda curious to try it also.

[V-dubbulyuh]

Preliminary runs at 20 psi and .030" look really good.

Idle appears to be a bit more lumpy (compared to .035) but who cares, in boost it's great with strong acceleration and consistent spark.

[S1iver]

Oh really? I guess since I'm at the junk yard looking for my "noise filter" I might as well look for my blinker fluid tank and rotating splint.
Nice try though, maybe it works on noobs. Ive been driving VW's since before you were born, and if you dont believe me just ask your mom....

wow, stop being a stupid dick.

[Nitestalkerz]

Preliminary runs at 20 psi and .030" look really good.

Idle appears to be a bit more lumpy (compared to .035) but who cares, in boost it's great with strong acceleration and consistent spark.

What tool u useing to gap? Try using the gap tool that looks like a bunch of metal tabs to dial in between .030 and .035 instead of a sprk plug gapper. Insteal of going by incraments of 1, think they go by 1/4's Its the tool used on v8's for the lifter gapping.

[GinsterMan98]

I use a modified pair of needle nose pliers and feeler gauges. I now run BKR8EIX plugs, so I don't want to break the electrode off.

[V-dubbulyuh]

I now run BKR8EIX plugs.

What is your opinion on them? Specifically comparing them to the Bkr7e plugs? I am open to experimenting with other plugs too. Actually I have been looking for an alternative plug.

[V-dubbulyuh]

What tool u useing to gap? Try using the gap tool that looks like a bunch of metal tabs to dial in between .030 and .035 instead of a sprk plug gapper. Insteal of going by incraments of 1, think they go by 1/4's Its the tool used on v8's for the lifter gapping.

Agreed I can get a finer resolution if I use feeler gauges etc. I've just been trying to get in the general ballpark of where the car is happy though. Now I know .030" is in the range of where I need to be I can start opening/closing using something more precise like you suggested. Thanks for the tip.

[GinsterMan98]

What is your opinion on them? Specifically comparing them to the Bkr7e plugs? I am open to experimenting with other plugs too. Actually I have been looking for an alternative plug.

They seem to not foul as easy as the 7E's, they cost much more, but they did fine in my car @ 12psi gapped at .028 vs the 7E's blowing spark out at anything over .022 on my car. I am happy with them.
Oh and I am going to run them on my new setup also.

[Nitestalkerz]

Once we get the exact specs for this set up...........I wonder if we can somehow convert the 1.8T's to a Ford 4pack coil. I wonder