Ford Coil Pack on VR6 with Pics.

[miseryindeath]

My closest junkyard is literally 1.5 hours away, and my car is my only mode of transport. Fail.

[V-dubbulyuh]

Would this be it? http://www.amazon.com/Motorcraft-WPT...6894337&sr=1-1

Negative, check the connector on page 11. It's an all black connector.

[miseryindeath]

I've Googled and searched for hours now. I can't find anywhere that sells the plug. Would someone mind getting one for me at a junkyard?

Also, is it possible to just use spade connectors and wire to connect the two?

[mymoneypit]

J spec vr6 running strong /w 98 ford mustang coil conversion. Gapped @ .035. Mid power seems to be where Ford intended the spark curve to be the start point, and climbs thru the rpm. Next spring I will get it dynoed to see if the wavy effect on the dyno(( due to the OEM coil falling on its face )) graph goes away for a more smother climb.

[8716valver]

What plug wires did the OP use??

[mymoneypit]

few pics of my ford set up on my J spec motor. Also if u link on the vid, ull hear and see how smooth the coilpack does.
http://s497.photobucket.com/albums/r...t=100_1821.mp4

[8716valver]

I have to do this.

So did you splice the ford plug ends onto vr plug wires?

[mymoneypit]

I have to do this.

So did you splice the ford plug ends onto vr plug wires?

took apart the boots and rewired the ends w/ clips. very easy if u take your time.

[GinsterMan98]

I have a MSD plug wire crimper, worked like a champ on the Ford plug end that I salvaged from the Ford wires.

[8716valver]

Cool, thanks for the info.

[ricardo]

use the 2003+ Ford coilpack so there is no need to change your sparkplug wires!!!

[mymoneypit]

use the 2003+ Ford coilpack so there is no need to change your sparkplug wires!!!

either or 2003+, or 98 ford v6 (( modding required )) both work. I prefere the pre2003, cuz the after market DUI coil is a tad stronger. Anyone ever try using the E3 spark plugs in joint with this set up? really like to know

[GinsterMan98]

Cool, thanks for the info.

You could also buy a "build your own" MSD wire set for like 80 bucks, comes with the crimper. I am running a short runner, but I ran the wires with the stock manifold and it was not to bad getting the wires on and off. Just had to use plug greese to make it easy.

[V-dubbulyuh]

I prefere the pre2003, cuz the after market DUI coil is a tad stronger.

You can get aftermarket post 2003 coils also (eg Screamin Demon), and they are very strong. I'm running one at pretty high boost with zero issues.

I truly do not understand the willingness of modifying wires if you can get a coil with the same output capacity (or higher if you choose the aftermarket route) and ease of using OEM wire ends. To each his/her own.

[5_Cent]

I gotta start calling junkyards, 2003 or up V6 coilpack and wires plz

[mymoneypit]

You can get aftermarket post 2003 coils also (eg Screamin Demon), and they are very strong. I'm running one at pretty high boost with zero issues.

I truly do not understand the willingness of modifying wires if you can get a coil with the same output capacity (or higher if you choose the aftermarket route) and ease of using OEM wire ends. To each his/her own.

If u look @ my pics above u will see that I chose the pre 2003 cuz its shorter. Even tho u need to mod the wires, I tried both and liked this one better. Good that there is 2 versions we can try other than the fail MSD set up.


The screamin demon is the DUI coil I posted that few months back when someone asked about a stronger version.

[VRRRRR6]

Anybody have experience with BoostEngineering? I placed an order several days ago, got an order number, no shipment confirmation, checked on order online, it says "Processing". I sent them an email- no response. Can't find a phone# for them on their website!

[ROBKIDWELL]

OK. I did my swap last night. I am now having a horrible miss fire. I used my original icm that was running perfectly. I have the newer style coil from an 03 taurus. I wired it exactly how everyone else has wired theirs.
The car runs rich now. So rich that it misses and runs rough. I did the check list thats in the bentley manual and everything tests fine. I havent checked to make sure that theres spark on all sylinder though. Any one have any ideas? Im leaning toward the coil I got from the scrap yard is bad.

[8716valver]

Is this the 03+ coil you guys are using? If so, how are you securely mounting it to the VR ICM? Looks like the bolt pattern is different.

[ROBKIDWELL]

Is this the 03+ coil you guys are using? If so, how are you securely mounting it to the VR ICM? Looks like the bolt pattern is different.

Yes thats the one

[V-dubbulyuh]

If so, how are you securely mounting it to the VR ICM? Looks like the bolt pattern is different.

Go to page 11 it's addressed there.

[ROBKIDWELL]

OK. I did my swap last night. I am now having a horrible miss fire. I used my original icm that was running perfectly. I have the newer style coil from an 03 taurus. I wired it exactly how everyone else has wired theirs.
The car runs rich now. So rich that it misses and runs rough. I did the check list thats in the bentley manual and everything tests fine. I havent checked to make sure that theres spark on all sylinder though. Any one have any ideas? Im leaning toward the coil I got from the scrap yard is bad.

Yep it was just a bad coil from the junk yard.

[mymoneypit]

Just to recap.................Pre 2003 is wired differntly than the 2003+, so dont get confused. Just scroll thrugh the thread and ull see both wiring spec. Pre 2003 is in the first 4 pages, somewhere in the mid is 2003+.



If we can start getting more Pics plse of everyones conversions would be great!!!

[mwr02jetta]

few pics of my ford set up on my J spec motor.

Fordswagon! I love it.

[mwr02jetta]

Hello all,
I have a question for the guys that have done this fix using the later/taller (2001+) Ford coilpack that used the stock VW spark plug wires as I am planning on doing this fix soon on my 2002 Jetta GLX wagon. Many have said that since the Ford coil is taller some of the stock spark plug wires will not reach if you are also using the stock VW engine covers/spark plug wire guides. I see that one solution is to use an aftermarket engine cover that routes the wires differently or is shorter over the coil. But I was wondering if anyone had tried to mount the Ford coil WITHOUT using the VW cast aluminum spacer block. In other words mounting the Ford coil directly over the VW ICM using short spacers (looks like 1/2" would do). This would lower the profile so I assume the spark plug wire length issue would be allieviated even using the stock engine cover?

Thanks

EDIT: Add spacers

[V-dubbulyuh]

Hello all,
I have a question for the guys that have done this fix using the later/taller (2001+) Ford coilpack that used the stock VW spark plug wires as I am planning on doing this fix soon on my 2002 Jetta GLX wagon.

But I was wondering if anyone had tried to mount the Ford coil WITHOUT using the VW cast aluminum spacer block.

That will work (get creative on securing the ICM though)...

Among others, the idea of retaining the stock aluminum block is:
1. To retain the ICM in its original location and secure it.
2. The block is a carry over from the earlier installations using the older/shorter Ford coil which has an identical bolt-hole foot print to the VW block (it made sense as all the mounting holes aligned on the older Ford coilpack).

[Americanzer0]

Well jokes on you bud, because he wasn't messing with you. There is infact a filter.

Best line ever! LoLz...

[Rugrat Anklebiter]

Just did this mod, the Blueberry idles like butter! Love it!

[R32Smoker]

Go to page 11 it's addressed there.

So he says he used a sheet aluminum plate to mount the third hole? Can someone be a little more specific here? What parts will I need to convert to the 03+ Screamin Demon coilpack?

My dyno graph looks terrible at 20+ psi, choppy as hell I need this mod

[ricardo]

put an aluminum sheet to match the 4 holes on the ICM part and make a 5th hole for the center bracket of the new coilpack secure it with a nut and screw I used spacers to secure the coilpack and make the profile smaller so the cables will fit correctly... I been running it for yrs like this without an issue

[V-dubbulyuh]

put an aluminum sheet to match the 4 holes on the ICM part and make a 5th hole for the center bracket of the new coilpack secure it with a nut and screw

Thank you.

I thought it was pretty self explanatory (page 11)... Listed required hardware and even what to machine off the bracket to have the adapter plate sit flush. Shiit I even took pics to add clarity. Be more "specific"?

[Rugrat Anklebiter]

When you all rewired the plugs for the older type of coil pack, did you solder the wires to the new coil pack boots or leave them laying inside the crimp of the boot as designed by Ford? It's been bothering me that they are just laying in there even though the same design is used inside the actual spark plug albeit for a different reason.

[mymoneypit]

When you all rewired the plugs for the older type of coil pack, did you solder the wires to the new coil pack boots or leave them laying inside the crimp of the boot as designed by Ford? It's been bothering me that they are just laying in there even though the same design is used inside the actual spark plug albeit for a different reason.

No, just take time and pull apart. OEM wires come apart alot easyer than say Auto zone replacments. Once apart u'll see the brass temanal, carfully open it up, cut VW wire back so the accual wire is say 1 inch long. Slide the wire inside the brass termanal (( over lapping )) the wire along the side. and re crimp. Just make sure u put the lock plate on first, and walla. If u have a length problem..............look @ my pics above. You will see I notched the channel out a bit so the wire falls sooner the the SP. gl, best mod u can ever do

[Ultramagnus0001]

Just to recap.................Pre 2003 is wired differntly than the 2003+, so dont get confused. Just scroll thrugh the thread and ull see both wiring spec. Pre 2003 is in the first 4 pages, somewhere in the mid is 2003+.



If we can start getting more Pics plse of everyones conversions would be great!!!

Page 11
ICM to connector harness wiring


Sheet aluminum plate used to mount third hole of Ford coilpack. ~ 1/8th inch removed from stock coilpack bracket to enable metal plate to sit flush.


Coilpack installed


Plug wires rerouted


Installation complete
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[Jimbo1]

Got one of the later Ford coilpacks today at the junk yard. Hope I can try this sooner than later.